Appalling state of the monorail cabins

[ptaylor]

Don't like the four keys, get with Walt. And of course I'm making it out like random events, its because many people are making it a big deal and I enjoy annoying people.

The four keys these days are used as an excuse for not maintaining things at proper show level. You are a perfect example of that.

It is a big deal for those guests spending $20k on a trip, to be transported around in an aging heap of junk.

You are very much a part of the problem it appears.

 

[s8film40]

Thing is, Disney will never take the train back to shop if the issue is not safety related. It is simply not worth the kickback of the 30 minute downtime. I want to examine those pictures with the four keys. Safety - the hatch being down is a safety concern and had the poster told someone it would have been remedied on the spot. Courtesy - Removing the train because of stained plastic or an unglued seam on the seat would have inconvenienced guests immediately. Show - yes it is bad show, but being courteous to the guests by not removing the train takes precedence. Efficiency - this really doesn't matter because efficiency is all about moving guests safely and quickly. This could be done with the train in or out of service.

Adding/removing a train used to be and should be seamless with no downtime whatsoever, but that's a whole other discussion. Secondly, I'm not sure how far Disney's training has degraded but the four keys were intended to create a high quality standard, not to be used as an excuse for neglecting quality. In the past that train would have never been allowed to leave the shop in that condition, and if it had it would have been sent back. I've personally seen trains sent back for far less.

 

[Figment2005]

The four keys these days are used as an excuse for not maintaining things at proper show level. You are a perfect example of that.

It is a big deal for those guests spending $20k on a trip, to be transported around in an aging heap of junk.

You are very much a part of the problem it appears.

Yup, so it seems.

 

[Figment2005]

Adding/removing a train used to be and should be seamless with no downtime whatsoever, but that's a whole other discussion. Secondly, I'm not sure how far Disney's training has degraded but the four keys were intended to create a high quality standard, not to be used as an excuse for neglecting quality. In the past that train would have never been allowed to leave the shop in that condition, and if it had it would have been sent back. I've personally seen trains sent back for far less.

Okay

 

[ptaylor]

Adding/removing a train used to be and should be seamless with no downtime whatsoever, but that's a whole other discussion. Secondly, I'm not sure how far Disney's training has degraded but the four keys were intended to create a high quality standard, not to be used as an excuse for neglecting quality. In the past that train would have never been allowed to leave the shop in that condition, and if it had it would have been sent back. I've personally seen trains sent back for far less.

You are correct - it is now used as an excuse. The four keys meaning has been so distorted that I am not even sure the trainers understand the true use of it anymore, never-mind the daily cast.

 

[betty rose]

The smell doesn't come from the passengers, it comes from the mold created by the condensation from the AC's.

Mold is a safety factor for some guests.

 

[CDavid]

so, just because "its only one", its suddenly ok?

Yup, because it is an anomoly.

I'll go back to my example of a hotel room at the Grand Floridian. It's supposed to be a premium resort, and frankly, at current prices you are paying more than the place is worth. So, for your $600 you get the anomaly - the one and only room in the resort with stained & dirty bedding, broken furniture, and torn carpeting. Are you seriously suggesting that is still alright - and that you wouldn't complain or feel slighted - if you were the poor guest assigned to that room?

Of course, no resort is going to have one room out of hundreds which is run down; Indeed, it would be very revealing evidence regarding the condition of the whole resort, just as it is for the monorail. If the trains are in such bad condition cosmetically, how poor are they mechanically. You don't generally find one isolated problem; If one element is run down and neglected, there are going to be other, less obvious (and potentially serious) problems as well.

Don't like the four keys, get with Walt. And of course I'm making it out like random events, its because many people are making it a big deal and I enjoy annoying people.

So, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing? Are you not willing to admit the pictures illustrate a monorail in a condition which should never have been allowed to happen.

 

[s8film40]

Mold is a safety factor for some guests.

Well that's a good point. I guess that kind of messes up the whole four keys excuse for letting a train run like that.

 

[dstrawn9889]

now pulling a monorail to shop is not a thing to be undertaken lightly(though in this case, personally, i would have liked to see it 101'd and in shop), since Teal was running on the resort loop (that was extrapolated from conversation) then not only would resort beam have to go offline, express would as well. Now, correct me figgy, but then from the contemporary they would have had to get a second pilot for the rear cab, back TEAL back past the shop switch, park the express monos, then pull teal onto express, then back again to clear switch, then finally switch from express to shop. now optimum timing, what, 45 minutes IF all monorails were at clear hold points/stations?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

now pulling a monorail to shop is not a thing to be undertaken lightly(though in this case, personally, i would have liked to see it 101'd and in shop), since Teal was running on the resort loop (that was extrapolated from conversation) then not only would resort beam have to go offline, express would as well. Now, correct me figgy, but then from the contemporary they would have had to get a second pilot for the rear cab, back TEAL back past the shop switch, park the express monos, then pull teal onto express, then back again to clear switch, then finally switch from express to shop. now optimum timing, what, 45 minutes IF all monorails were at clear hold points/stations?

I'm sorry it's such a PITA, maybe it should have never left the barn that morning. I pretty sure all that damage didn't occur that day.

 

[s8film40]

I'm sorry it's such a PITA, maybe it should have never left the barn that morning. I pretty sure all that damage didn't occur that day.

Exactly, that didn't happen overnight. In fact where the seat cover is ripped is where maintenance accesses the electronics under the seat, the square shape you see cut out goes around where the seat is secured down. It's entirely possible it came loose while someone was servicing the train, and should have been addressed right then and there. The problem is is this kind of stuff is just accepted now.

 

[ptaylor]

now pulling a monorail to shop is not a thing to be undertaken lightly(though in this case, personally, i would have liked to see it 101'd and in shop), since Teal was running on the resort loop (that was extrapolated from conversation) then not only would resort beam have to go offline, express would as well. Now, correct me figgy, but then from the contemporary they would have had to get a second pilot for the rear cab, back TEAL back past the shop switch, park the express monos, then pull teal onto express, then back again to clear switch, then finally switch from express to shop. now optimum timing, what, 45 minutes IF all monorails were at clear hold points/stations?

There seems to be some confusion amongst some of you that this damage just randomly occurred before I took the photos. It has been this way for days, if not weeks. I've seen it many times before.

Bottom line - the monorails should not be leaving the barn in this state at the start of the day.

 

[s8film40]

Here are some interesting photos for comparison. These are from Mark IV's after being removed from the system. Obviously they plan the trains removal ahead of time, so this is the condition of those trains after they essentially stopped caring about what they looked like. Yet they are still in much better shape than the current trains. Bright not faded carpet, no scuffs on the wall. Kind of ironic Disney sent trains to the scrap yard in better shape than what they have running now.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Here are some interesting photos for comparison. These are from Mark IV's after being removed from the system. Obviously they plan the trains removal ahead of time, so this is the condition of those trains after they essentially stopped caring about what they looked like. Yet they are still in much better shape than the current trains. Bright not faded carpet, no scuffs on the wall. Kind of ironic Disney sent trains to the scrap yard in better shape than what they have running now.

That was when Disney was a premium product.

 

[dstrawn9889]

That was when Disney was a premium product.

and guests cared enough to wrangle their children and act like 'wait for it' PARENTS instead of FRIENDS.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

and guests cared enough to wrangle their children and act like 'wait for it' PARENTS instead of FRIENDS.

I believe that it is not real hard to be both a parent and a friend. As long as everything goes as planned, being a friend is valuable. But the second that my expectations aren't met, Dad arrives to sort it all out. Fortunately, my girls try real hard to not summons "Dad".

That said, I am at bit of a loss as to how this applies here.

 

[dstrawn9889]

would the cabins be in such a state if parents and children respected others property? some, if not most, of that damage shown (that i have seen)IMHO, is the lack of respect for others and their property(and the rest is lackadaisical maintenance and 'good enough' attitude). those scuffs on the trimwork is from shoes and strollers shoved where they need not go, and keeping hands off will keep trim panels attached and access panels closed.

 

[dstrawn9889]

it is true, however, that most all of that damage that was shown would only take an hour or so for a three person cleaning/repair team. the trim work only needs a good scrubbing with orange clean, a shopvac would take care of the access panel dust bunnies, and a maintenance man with a decent screwdriver would pull the fabric back down on the seats. now rips and holes are more problematic, but there has been pleather repair kits on the market for decades, and only to fix it temporarily until another seat cover is made... and we all know there is a small gaggle of seamstresses(Stewards?) that can whip up a fabric cover in no time flat on payroll

 

[s8film40]

would the cabins be in such a state if parents and children respected others property? some, if not most, of that damage shown (that i have seen)IMHO, is the lack of respect for others and their property(and the rest is lackadaisical maintenance and 'good enough' attitude). those scuffs on the trimwork is from shoes and strollers shoved where they need not go, and keeping hands off will keep trim panels attached and access panels closed.

I agree with you a lot of damage comes from the general lack of respect of property on the part of the general population. In this case I think most is from general wear and tear, which is what makes this especially unacceptable. If someone had ripped a seat for example it would be understandable that this might have happened that day and had not been able to be addressed yet. The scuff marks on the panels are just going to happen over time, the amount you see in the photos represents an EXTENDED period of time. The moisture damage and mold you see on the carpeting is from condensation from the AC and the vent window being left open during rain, it takes a certain amount of time for mold to grow and for it to get to that point. The seats are mostly coming loose where connected at the bottom, this is likely happened slowly over a period of time probably from the seat being lifted and removed over time. In my opinion I would say the biggest factor here is the amount of time this train/car has been neglected. It's no coincidence all of these various types of damage are present all in one location.

 

[NearTheEars]

I agree with you a lot of damage comes from the general lack of respect of property on the part of the general population. In this case I think most is from general wear and tear, which is what makes this especially unacceptable. If someone had ripped a seat for example it would be understandable that this might have happened that day and had not been able to be addressed yet. The scuff marks on the panels are just going to happen over time, the amount you see in the photos represents an EXTENDED period of time. The moisture damage and mold you see on the carpeting is from condensation from the AC and the vent window being left open during rain, it takes a certain amount of time for mold to grow and for it to get to that point. The seats are mostly coming loose where connected at the bottom, this is likely happened slowly over a period of time probably from the seat being lifted and removed over time. In my opinion I would say the biggest factor here is the amount of time this train/car has been neglected. It's no coincidence all of these various types of damage are present all in one location.

Agreed.

Disrespectful kids, wear and tear, doesn't really matter in the end. They still need to maintain and repair the cabins.

Those disrespectful guests are keeping the resort profitable, so for TWDC, cleaning up after them should be a cost of doing business.

I too am generally a P-Duster, but the state of some of the monorail cabins is inexcusable.

I may not notice all the broken things on POTC, but these issues are even obvious to me.