Any chance this Splash Mountain retheme is cancelled?

Sir_Cliff

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"Appealing to broader ideas in culture" was the original meaning for the "theme" in themed lands. Nowadays it refers to a specific type of look, art style, or decoration (pretend, say, art nouveau) rather than an abstract concept ("adventure"). People have forgotten and it sucks and the theme park industry consciously moved away from the latter in order to condition people to expect the former and it has severely limited the potential of the art form. There's a reason almost any property could still find their way into Disneyland and other castle parks simply by grouping it into one of its several abstract themes (Fantasy! Frontier! Tomorrow!) but very hard to fit anything into any of the other parks.

It also makes for very boring themed environments. Where before there was excitement in shoving disparate styles into one themed area (I love Magic Kingdom's Adventureland for putting a thatch pagoda next to a tented bazaar all overlooked by a marooned treehouse in a giant tree), nowadays the fealty to "thematic integrity" actually makes for more boring environments. Arguments of, "doesn't fit the story," negates what should actually be driving the design of a land - how it makes the guest feel - and instead elevates the drive for "plot logic." A weird thing to emphasize because it's the clash of different stories occupying the same space (an ancient Grimm fair tale Snow White across from Peter Pan, two stories separated by hundreds of years) but sharing the same themes that makes lands so exciting.
This really sums up perfectly what I really love about Disney parks at their best. Particularly your point about how the Imagineers were able to mash things together from different times and places in a way that literally made no sense but cognitively made perfect sense to guests. That's honestly one thing that doesn't worry me so much about a PatF Splash Mountain at MK: a Louisiana bayou area wedged amidst the Rivers of America and Frontierland is exactly the sort of thing Imagineering would have done from the very beginning and been able to communicate as part of the same broad theme of Frontier. The fact there has been so much discussion of that thematic inconsistency makes me think people haven't quite grasped what makes the rest of the park so engaging.

There is certainly room for more than one type of park, but I 100% agree that the strict literal emphasis on story and, more recently, immersion is misguided in this respect. It really surprises me Disney doesn't seem to have gone back to see what makes the original model of DL work so well in so many different times and places. Instead of trying to read and distill the culture, they seem intent on simply immersing people in different environments. Increasingly, those environments are one film or a franchise, so if you don't feel anything about the specific film or films you're just left admiring the execution.
 
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Phroobar

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I have a lot of negative feelings about GE, but none are regarding the land feeling like a cheap knock-off. It's clearly elaborate and intricate and far from cheap. It's just the elaborate and intricate version of Star Wars that no one asked for.
No one asked for the Pirates of the Caribbean either but aren't you glad we got it?
 

BubbaisSleep

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They're both a good amount of fun and decent people eaters. Groundbreaking probably not but they're unique and deserve to be there.
I agree but there's no way those 2 attractions are comparable to GE's two.
Unless you wanted Disney to throw a spinner somewhere in GE to keep the ride count up.
I wouldn't mind a spinner if it was well-themed but many would argue against having rides like those in Carsland in GE.
 

Phroobar

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Bruh Pirates is a non intrusive attraction whereas SWGE is a humongous land with tons of opportunity to spend 100's and only 2 real rides. Even tiny flippin Cars land has at least 3 rides.
That is not my point. No one asked for POTC the same as no one asked for SWGE. No one knows what they want until they get it. Not one park guest in the '60s left Disneyland saying, "Disneyland was good but what it really needed is a recreation of New Orleans and a pirate ride."
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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No one asked for POTC, but they were floored by it.

I think people were asking for a SW land, especially after the 4 billion dollar purchase of Lucasfilm was announced. And then Disney was seemingly going to deliver something great. I mean, how could they get it wrong?

Oh, it's great alright. Great in size. Great in beige. Great in boredom.
 

Phroobar

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Disneyland was great in general when it had live entertainment. Character walk by and waves are not going to cut it. I need marching bands, tribute rock bands and country western bands. Some roaming droids and some living character initiatives would be great. Where is Lucky the Dinosaur?
 

EagleScout610

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Note that Disneyland already has a rehab notice on the site. Nothing for WDW
 

TP2000

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Note that Disneyland already has a rehab notice on the site. Nothing for WDW

Wow, great find!

I want a half star of credit though, as I called this one a few days ago. They desperately need the ride capacity in WDW, but can spare keeping the Racist Log Ride closed in Disneyland.

Magic Kingdom Park = 25 Rides, 7 E Tickets Including Splash Mountain (Splash, Jungle, Pirates, Mansion, Thunder, Space, Small World)

Disneyland Park = 37 Rides, 12 E Tickets Not Including Splash Mountain (Jungle, Pirates, Mansion, Thunder, Space, Small World, Indy, Matterhorn, Submarines, Star Tours, Rise Before Dawn, Target Run)

Disney World needs all the rides they can get up and running even with reduced park crowds, but Disneyland can spare keeping Splash Mountain closed for the next four years until Tiana's Bayou Bash N' Splash opens.
 

Curious Constance

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Wow, great find!

I want a half star of credit though, as I called this one a few days ago. They desperately need the ride capacity in WDW, but can spare keeping the Racist Log Ride closed in Disneyland.

Magic Kingdom Park = 25 Rides, 7 E Tickets Including Splash Mountain (Splash, Space, Thunder, Pirates, Jungle, Mansion, Small World)

Disneyland Park = 37 Rides, 12 E Tickets Not Including Splash Mountain (Jungle, Indy, Pirates, Mansion, Thunder, Rise Before Dawn, Target Run, Small World, Matterhorn, Submarines, Space Mt., Star Tours)

Disney World needs all the rides they can get up and running even with reduced park crowds, but Disneyland can spare keeping Splash Mountain closed for the next four years until Tiana's Bayou Bash N' Splash opens.

Wait, it's not going to reopen at Disneyland???? EVER??? 😩😢😭
 

PiratesMansion

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Wait, it's not going to reopen at Disneyland???? EVER??? 😩😢😭

That's possible but not confirmed, but it's more likely to happen at DL because they have the ride capacity that allows them to do it without taking a huge capacity hit.

It would be a first for DL to not really provide ANY sort of goodbye period for the removal of a classic, and Splash is a classic of several magnitudes beyond anything in Paradise Pier or TOT, even with the controversy.
 

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