Another 24 Hours of Disney Event?

[PeterAlt]

I don't view myself as cynical at all. I view myself as realistic. I don't look at the cracked glass that's about 1/8th full as half full because it makes it easier to get through life. I care about the world and I even care about people (and trees and puppies and horsies too!)

But I've had enough exposure to big business and media (including TWDC close up), politics, the justice system, the healthcare system, the education system to know just how screwed we are. And unlike some, I don't believe in any after-life nonsense. I believe in the here and now. That means that every second really does count. And it's scary how people lose focus over that (or medicate themselves to do so).

Disney CAN absolutely change. But the system, Wall Street, is rewarding them for doing business this way. There is no good reason under the system of bastardized capitalism we practice in the USA for any change.

MySpace was a fad that was passed by a bigger fad in Facebook (and if there's any common sense left in the world, that is what it will become). K-Mart let its stores and image grow stodgy at the same time Walmart and its predatory pricing was taking over the globe. It's a wonder K-Mart even exists anymore (as an aside, I actually was in two stores last year, one in Miami, one in smalltown North Carolina and I was impressed by them ... they felt closer to a Target than a Walmart).

But nothing lasts forever. Disney needs to wake up to that.

You're a hard person to argue with because you keep mixing things I totally agree with into your points and its very hard to separate the two. Your facts and premiseses are right. I guess where we differ is that I am a bit more optimistic than you, but my optimism is based on consequences and the overall belief that people do want to do the right thing when push come to shove. You're in the camp that believes that people will always choose evil over righteousness and that's just the way it is. I say that there's other things out there right now that's causing them to make these "evil" decisions. Take away those things, and they are more likely to make righteous decisions.

 

[TP2000]

The only 'new' thing I'd like to see at WDW is George Kalogridis ... and since he's about to turn 60, he's hardly 'new'!

Maybe his low profile in Orlando compared to Anaheim is the lack of organized WDW fans who visit the parks there, thus no way to get blogged, tweeted or instagrammed in one convenient location?

At Disneyland, there is a "Noon Meet" in the Hub at the Walt statue every Sunday at Noon. It's been happening at Disneyland since the mid 1990's, and neither rain nor heat nor global financial meltdown can stop it from happening. I admit I attended a couple of these Noon Meets in 1997, just to put faces to names from the alt.disney.disneyland board at that time. I haven't been back to a Noon Meet since '97, but I do know they still happen. And Disneyland executives will stop by the Meets to say hello, kiss babies, pin trade, and smile bravely while some virgin man rambles on about what to do with the PeopleMover track.

Every TDA executive since Cynthia Harriss has been to the Noon Meets at least a few times. George K. has been to Noon Meets at Disneyland, as he wasn't stupid enough to break that cycle. Michael Colglazier has too, and even arrived bearing gifts as he passed out CD's of the Golden Horseshoe Revue soundtrack.

But there's no such organization to the fan community in Orlando, nor any hint of anything like that. So what's a TDO exec to do? How do they get some quick street cred when the fan community for WDW is so disorganized, so fractured, and spread to the four corners of the vast Mississippi River watershed?

It's an easier gig at Disneyland.

 

[WDW1974]

You're a hard person to argue with because you keep mixing things I totally agree with into your points and its very hard to separate the two.

You sorta, kinda 'may' be arguing with a state debate champion ... who comes from a family that is very adept at controlling and winning the conversation battles! I take pride in my passion to win.

Your facts and premiseses are right. I guess where we differ is that I am a bit more optimistic than you, but my optimism is based on consequences and the overall belief that people do want to do the right thing when push come to shove. You're in the camp that believes that people will always choose evil over righteousness and that's just the way it is. I say that there's other things out there right now that's causing them to make these "evil" decisions. Take away those things, and they are more likely to make righteous decisions.

I don't believe in the inate goodness or evil of people. I do believe in the herd mentality ... sorta like when one person decides to ignore a CM's pleas at WDW, they are followed by hordes of others. Or how when one -hole decides to start a riot after his team just won a championship, others follow. ... Now, people can be led to righteousness ... I teach people every time I'm at WDW that a green arrow at a turnstile means you can use it and not stand in a line 65 people deep because no one else realizes it ... or when I get into an empty side of a QSR because I know Disney goes from one side to another in ordering.

But I will tell you it is much harder to get people to do the right thing than the wrong these days ... not really sure why, but I do think we generally have a hopelessness that is pervasive in our society. I joke a lot about my fanbois (and I love each and every one of them, albeit in different ways) but many of these kids (18-27) are very depressed and some even border on suicidal behavior because they see no American dream for them, no hope, no way out of a life of mindless tedium that doesn't even bring financial reward for many. Life flat out sucks for so many people that they see no reason to do the right thing, no reward for doing it.

 

[WDW1974]

Maybe his low profile in Orlando compared to Anaheim is the lack of organized WDW fans who visit the parks there, thus no way to get blogged, tweeted or instagrammed in one convenient location?

At Disneyland, there is a "Noon Meet" in the Hub at the Walt statue every Sunday at Noon. It's been happening at Disneyland since the mid 1990's, and neither rain nor heat nor global financial meltdown can stop it from happening. I admit I attended a couple of these Noon Meets in 1997, just to put faces to names from the alt.disney.disneyland board at that time. I haven't been back to a Noon Meet since '97, but I do know they still happen. And Disneyland executives will stop by the Meets to say hello, kiss babies, pin trade, and smile bravely while some virgin man rambles on about what to do with the PeopleMover track.

Every TDA executive since Cynthia Harriss has been to the Noon Meets at least a few times. George K. has been to Noon Meets at Disneyland, as he wasn't stupid enough to break that cycle. Michael Colglazier has too, and even arrived bearing gifts as he passed out CD's of the Golden Horseshoe Revue soundtrack.

But there's no such organization to the fan community in Orlando, nor any hint of anything like that. So what's a TDO exec to do? How do they get some quick street cred when the fan community for WDW is so disorganized, so fractured, and spread to the four corners of the vast Mississippi River watershed?

It's an easier gig at Disneyland.

Oh, it's easier, TP. No doubt about that.

But George is staying in virtual hiding for other reasons, I'm just not sure what is true and what is BS at this time.

And I'd argue that he could easily get out and mingle with the bloggers and Lifestylers. They are pretty easy to find. They pretty much never go much beyond MK and EPCOT unless something special is happening in one of the other parks. They won't ever be in a water park because really ... have you looked at these people? I may need some manscaping before bathing suit season, but some of these folks would you burn your corneas out if they put on an Ariel two-piece. If they go to DD, rest assured they won't go to the more adult locales like HoB or Bongos ... they'll be at T-Rex or Earl of Subway or the like. They won't visit a resort if it isn't the Poly, the BW or having a DVC added.

Like I said, George would have no trouble with them ... but I don't want to give him too much free consulting. Fool me once ...

 

[PeterAlt]

You sorta, kinda 'may' be arguing with a state debate champion ... who comes from a family that is very adept at controlling and winning the conversation battles! I take pride in my passion to win.



I don't believe in the inate goodness or evil of people. I do believe in the herd mentality ... sorta like when one person decides to ignore a CM's pleas at WDW, they are followed by hordes of others. Or how when one -hole decides to start a riot after his team just won a championship, others follow. ... Now, people can be led to righteousness ... I teach people every time I'm at WDW that a green arrow at a turnstile means you can use it and not stand in a line 65 people deep because no one else realizes it ... or when I get into an empty side of a QSR because I know Disney goes from one side to another in ordering.

But I will tell you it is much harder to get people to do the right thing than the wrong these days ... not really sure why, but I do think we generally have a hopelessness that is pervasive in our society. I joke a lot about my fanbois (and I love each and every one of them, albeit in different ways) but many of these kids (18-27) are very depressed and some even border on suicidal behavior because they see no American dream for them, no hope, no way out of a life of mindless tedium that doesn't even bring financial reward for many. Life flat out sucks for so many people that they see no reason to do the right thing, no reward for doing it.

My sister was a state champion debater too. I can't ever argue with her because she's always right even when she's wrong! Lol

The points you made are exactly the points I would make for my argument but I have a different spin on them. I'm older than the ages you listed. I've seen when things can be good. I've lived through it as proof. I fully expect things to come around and be like that again. That's why I preach optimism. You have to believe things will get better before they get better. To get better, each has to do their part. Sitting around waiting for it won't bring it. Believing it can't get better certainly won't!

 

[WDW1974]

My sister was a state champion debater too. I can't ever argue with her because she's always right even when she's wrong! Lol

The points you made are exactly the points I would make for my argument but I have a different spin on them. I'm older than the ages you listed. I've seen when things can be good. I've lived through it as proof. I fully expect things to come around and be like that again. That's why I preach optimism. You have to believe things will get better before they get better. To get better, each has to do their part. Sitting around waiting for it won't bring it. Believing it can't get better certainly won't!

See, that's where we differ. I don't believe you have to believe in anything for it to happen. That's sorta like the cricket telling you to 'just believe' ... I can believe tomorrow will bring fanbois pushing carts full of gold bars and bottles of high end tequila and all the believing in the world won't make it happen. What you're preaching is very close to religious dogma ... if you believe there's a greater good, then there is one. And when people (many that I know) who have such amazing talents and skills to offer the world keep getting shotdown at a young age after doing everything right, you get depressed, you get hopeless. I wish I could tell them all that things will get better, but I don't lie to people I care about. Also, inherent in your point is this idea that if people aren't making it, then it's because they aren't trying (the FOX News way of looking at the world) and that's simply not true.

When kids come out of school with tremendous skills and ability (and student loan debt) and are told they cab wait tables or work at the mall, something's not right. I'd argue that something is the fact we have become a third world country between the haves and the have nots and as someone with a foot in both worlds, I can tell you quite matter of factly that it is true no matter what your individual life experiences are.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I don't view myself as cynical at all. I view myself as realistic. I don't look at the cracked glass that's about 1/8th full as half full because it makes it easier to get through life. I care about the world and I even care about people (and trees and puppies and horsies too!)

But I've had enough exposure to big business and media (including TWDC close up), politics, the justice system, the healthcare system, the education system to know just how screwed we are. And unlike some, I don't believe in any after-life nonsense. I believe in the here and now. That means that every second really does count. And it's scary how people lose focus over that (or medicate themselves to do so).

I now have a mental image in my head of a young Spirit, lying on the bed of his dorm bedroom, too shy too talk to the girls and too weak to play sports outside, finding consolation in Albert Camus, modelling himself after his French 1950's existentialist heroes in the mirror - or at least a metaphorical one.

If there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life - Camus.

~ Yes kids, when Spirit and I aren't gnawing on Turkey legs and having our picture taken with Donald Duck we explore French Algerian philosophy ~

 

[thehowiet]

But George is staying in virtual hiding for other reasons, I'm just not sure what is true and what is BS at this time.

This whole George situation continues to pique my interest. I'd love to know the possible reasons for George's hiding, or at least what you think is the most likely scenario based on what you've heard. I'm sure you'll share when you can. He's been in charge of WDW for two months now and it's almost as if the man doesn't even exist. I wonder how much longer this will continue.

 

[Gtovryslf]

Ya know what? This event isnt about all the rides, parties, attractions, etc: Its about the people you're with.

I've disagreed with some things you have said in the past (both on here and to myself ), but this comment rings the truth!

 

[PeterAlt]

WDW: Land of Diminishing Ambitions

To think that it started with Walt's ambitious vision to build the city of the future. Dare to dream, to innovate. To do things that hadn't been done before. Ever since that first spark of EPCOT, the resort has gone through stages of diminishing ambitions. Magic Kingdom and the resorts that opened with it - not as ambitious as EPCOT - but, for a resort, very ambitious. EPCOT Center, not as ambitious as Phase I, but ambitious in the sense that they were willing to try a different kind of park. DHS and DAK, while more traditional and "safe" sort-of ambitious, but definately not as ambitious as what preceded it. See where this is going? Compare the ambitions of the company today to when Walt first purchased the land parcels... Night and day!

That said, who's going May 24th? Me!!!!!!

 

[darcol]

Us if we can get a sitter

 

[Mammymouse]

Here we go again......as Yogi Berra says: ' No one goes there anymore, it's always too crowded!'

I love Yogi's sayings!!!

 

[hiptwinmama]

I hope it's true. I was at the last one at MK, and was there all 24 hours. It was great!

Ditto we were there and it was awesome. It just happen to fall during our annual trip, but I would make a special trip just for it. My then 6 year olds were in the park from 7am-11pm (notice in the park time...not wake up and bed time). They opened their eyes that morning and were ready to go and I told them we would go until they were done, what ever time that might be. They are dying for another chance to go later.
They were troopers.

 

[hiptwinmama]

Maybe it's a coincidence with the date? I don't know. But it seems rather odd that the rumored 24 hour party at MK would be scheduled the same day as Antartica's grand opening.

It would be totally strategic to steal sea world thunder.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Are we even sure this has any legitimacy to it? Can any insiders confirm? I've heard nothing to back it up and Lutz's column has been removed.

 

[joanna71985]

Ditto we were there and it was awesome. It just happen to fall during our annual trip, but I would make a special trip just for it. My then 6 year olds were in the park from 7am-11pm (notice in the park time...not wake up and bed time). They opened their eyes that morning and were ready to go and I told them we would go until they were done, what ever time that might be. They are dying for another chance to go later.
They were troopers.

I was in MK from 6am-6am (with adding in awake time before/after, I was up for about 27 straight hours). Needless to say, I didn't do much the next day. But it was totally worth it!

 

[Jakester]

So any word on this event? Can we expect another 6:00am to 6:00am hours? Any word on if they decide to include permiter fireworks?

 

[Lexxweb]

I actually had a ton of fun at the last 24 hour party. I didn't go for the full 24 hours, but I went with my friends from midnight-6AM. It was busy, but manageable (went to MK not DL). It's a shame it'll be on Memorial weekend this time, I'll be out of town I also think it'll be super slammed. Should've been the week before or after.

Hopefully they do a 24 hour thing every year!

 

[Jakester]

I actually had a ton of fun at the last 24 hour party. I didn't go for the full 24 hours, but I went with my friends from midnight-6AM. It was busy, but manageable (went to MK not DL). It's a shame it'll be on Memorial weekend this time, I'll be out of town I also think it'll be super slammed. Should've been the week before or after.

Hopefully they do a 24 hour thing every year!

Every year seems to be over kill, now again on 2.29.2016, seems reasonable

 

[Lexxweb]

Every year seems to be over kill, now again on 2.29.2016, seems reasonable

I don't think so, it's only one day a year. It was profitable last time, it's going to be profitable this time, I think as a business move it'd be stupid not to.
"What's an easy way for us to make money?"
"Don't close for a day and make a big deal of it!"

There's a lot of people that wanted to experience the whole "24 hours at the Magic Kingdom/DL" thing and didn't get to. If Disney is on the ball about it by doing it once a year like they do any other event, this would give guests the opportunity to live out that "dream".
During peak seasons MK is known to be open til 12AM/1AM and then reopen at 8/830AM. They've got turnover down to a science, so I don't see how 7 hours in the middle there is all that big-a-deal just once a year