News Annual Passholder dining discount drops to 10% for 2018

[jmuboy]

http://www.wdwmagic.com/other/annua...al-passholder-dining-discount-drops-to-10.htm

The offer is good for up to three guests - something that DL does not do

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I've been to both Anaheim and Paris fairly recently...

I agree that the value in Orlando is bad...probably the worst it's ever been dollar for dollar in history. Unfortunately they were very wise when they built there...it's in the perfect spot as far as demographic access/convenience goes.

But they're been drunk off the koolaid for near ten years now. Until that changes...we'll all be forced to pay for notably the mistakes with espn, amongst other corporate decisions that are disproportionately falling on Orlando, Anaheim, etc.

I don’t see how Anaheim’s AP rates are a better value than Orlando.

There might be some leeway in executive bonuses...particularly in this company.

No argument there.

this is a good point the discount wouldn't be a big issue to me if the regular price was fair but it's ok food for top dollar.

I wouldn’t call it “top dollar.“ It’s high, but other places are higher and they don’t have a theme park attached.

I would compare it with other theme parks, stadiums, sports arenas, concerts - not with the local restaurant down the street.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not saying disneylands AP values are better...wha???

But in defense of them...Anaheim is primarily repeat, local clientele...unlike Orlando. If you can go 50 days in a year...the value is still there.

I don't think aps where the point though...it's the whole cost. It's crushing when you have little choice but to spend a week at a time.

 

[disney4life2008]

lol even QSR bills are in the 70s for me now.

At cosmic Rays i observed what people were spending. For a family of 4 or 5 the average bill looked to be 80 excluding those with dining plans.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

At cosmic Rays i observed what people were spending. For a family of 4 or 5 the average bill looked to be 80 excluding those with dining plans.

What's the dining plan now?

$75?

...they're paying the same too. They don't even bother try an BS You that it's a savings anymore.

 

[matt9112]

What's the dining plan now?

$75?

...they're paying the same too. They don't even bother try an BS You that it's a savings anymore.

we live here now but before we planned vacation around free dining....ate like kings.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

we live here now but before we planned vacation around free dining....ate like kings.

But that's gone...as they increased the price of the rooms and limited the Windows to put the screws to it.

It will be back when there is a recession and igers pricing mess comes to full bear...

 

[21stamps]

I've been to both Anaheim and Paris fairly recently...

I agree that the value in Orlando is bad...probably the worst it's ever been dollar for dollar in history. Unfortunately they were very wise when they built there...it's in the perfect spot as far as demographic access/convenience goes.

What needs to happen is the consumers need to grow a spine...start rejecting upsells/special ticket events and even some of the lodging pricing that are out of whack. Market correction...basically.

But they're been drunk off the koolaid for near ten years now. Until that changes...we'll all be forced to pay for notably the mistakes with espn, amongst other corporate decisions that are disproportionately falling on Orlando, Anaheim, etc.

The thing is, there’s a lot of people who like the upcharge options/ special ticketed events.
Those people don’t need to grow a spine, they’re simply choosing an option that they will enjoy.

 

[21stamps]

At cosmic Rays i observed what people were spending. For a family of 4 or 5 the average bill looked to be 80 excluding those with dining plans.

This is normal at most entertainment venues. Disney counter service food is actually priced lower than a lot of other places.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The thing is, there’s a lot of people who like the upcharge options/ special ticketed events.
Those people don’t need to grow a spine, they’re simply choosing an option that they will enjoy.

I agree with you IF they don't do it as an add on.

If you pick the Halloween party on August 29th instead of a daily ticket...more power to you.

But if you add it on to annual passes, or a 7 day ticket...if you go to epcot and THEN get "after hours ripoff...I mean "magic"...then it's leading pricing to a place that everyone will complain at the top of their lungs when it arrives. Have to be proactive. Nobody will much care for block pricing except the margins when it comes.

The fact they now have an obscene 85 or so early closures for holiday parties is being looked at by revenue for more than just a daily grab. They are looking at how to install that permanently...rest assured.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is normal at most entertainment venues. Disney counter service food is actually priced lower than a lot of other places.

Please don't Compare a seven day vacation to a football game, broadway show, or a Taylor swift concert?

I thought that was a DIS thing...it's a completely false argument...

 

[21stamps]

I agree with you IF they don't do it as an add on.

If you pick the Halloween party on August 29th instead of a daily ticket...more power to you.

But if you add it on to annual passes, or a 7 day ticket...if you go to epcot and THEN get "after hours ripoff...I mean "magic"...then it's leading pricing to a place that everyone will complain at the top of their lungs when it arrives. Have to be proactive. Nobody will much care for block pricing except the margins when it comes.

The fact they now have an obscene 85 or so early closures for holiday parties is being looked at by revenue for more than just a daily grab. They are looking at how to install that permanently...rest assured.

Yes,and No.

Disclaimer- I would love to do the Disney AfterHours,I wish the dates meshed with my schedule.

On the Friday before Thanksgiving I purchased 2 tickets to MVMCP. I had a Platinum AP that I had used for 5 park days last year. My son had a 1 Day Hopper. I did not receive the AP discount for the MVMCP tickets because apparently you don’t get the discount if purchase same day.

Was I thrilled handing over the money when kiddo had a single day hopper? No, can’t say that I was. However, it was totally “worth” it for us. We wouldn’t have been able to accomplish as much at MK without the party.

I’m glad that I had that option.

Please don't Compare a seven day vacation to a football game, broadway show, or a Taylor swift concert?

I thought that was a DIS thing...it's a completely false argument...

It’s not false at all. First off, not everyone is staying on property at Disney for 7 days. Secondly, thousands of their rooms are not expensive.
Thirdly, it’s not their responsibility to make food more “budget friendly” if someone chooses to stay for 7 days... they already do that with multi day tickets.

The food pricing is on par with food at any other entertainment venue. I don’t see why we would expect differently.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes,and No.

Disclaimer- I would love to do the Disney AfterHours,I wish the dates meshed with my schedule.

On the Friday before Thanksgiving I purchased 2 tickets to MVMCP. I had a Platinum AP that I had used for 5 park days last year. My son had a 1 Day Hopper. I did not receive the AP discount for the MVMCP tickets because apparently you don’t get the discount if purchase same day.

Was I thrilled handing over the money when kiddo had a single day hopper? No, can’t say that I was. However, it was totally “worth” it for us. We wouldn’t have been able to accomplish as much at MK without the party.

I’m glad that I had that option.



It’s not false at all. First off, not everyone is staying on property at Disney for 7 days. Secondly, thousands of their rooms are not expensive.
Thirdly, it’s not their responsibility to make food more “budget friendly” if someone chooses to stay for 7 days... they already do that with multi day tickets.

The food pricing is on par with food at any other entertainment venue. I don’t see why we would expect differently.

First...having a 1 day hopper would make the Christmas party ticket more useful...i get that...

Second...yes it is...because the majority don't fly/drive halfway across the country or world and do it for an average of 7 days to get overcharged to see the Winnipeg Jets or Jimmy Buffett...

That's where the "it's that expensive everywhere" fails. Short term vs longterm.

 

[21stamps]

First...having a 1 day hopper would make the Christmas party ticket more useful...i get that...

Second...yes it is...because the majority don't fly/drive halfway across the country or world and do it for an average of 7 days to get overcharged to see the Winnipeg Jets or Jimmy Buffett...

That's where the "it's that expensive everywhere" fails. Short term vs longterm.

Wait, How would a one day hopper make the party ticket more useful? My plan was to utilize the hopper for the entire day if I could have. Doing both in one day was something that I had to pause and think about.lol. Just checked my photos.. I used the hopper starting at 10:45am until 5pm. I still don’t totally like to think about it.

I don’t think the comparison fails.. it’s money.. money out of annual amount. Whether someone uses the bulk of their entertainment budget at WDW or spreads it thruout the year.. it’s the same cost overall.
And again, I don’t think the majority of Disney World park guests are staying at a WDW Resort for 7 days.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Please don't Compare a seven day vacation to a football game, broadway show, or a Taylor swift concert?

I thought that was a DIS thing...it's a completely false argument...

A whole lot of people aren’t going for 7 day vacations.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A whole lot of people aren’t going for 7 day vacations.

Unless it's fallen dramtically over the last 15 years (since I've been out of the game)...the average stay at wdw is 6.8 or so days

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wait, How would a one day hopper make the party ticket more useful? My plan was to utilize the hopper for the entire day if I could have. Doing both in one day was something that I had to pause and think about.lol. Just checked my photos.. I used the hopper starting at 10:45am until 5pm. I still don’t totally like to think about it.

I don’t think the comparison fails.. it’s money.. money out of annual amount. Whether someone uses the bulk of their entertainment budget at WDW or spreads it thruout the year.. it’s the same cost overall.
And again, I don’t think the majority of Disney World park guests are staying at a WDW Resort for 7 days.

Because on the one day ticket...you've only made a $150 or so investment and the upsell makes sense. The annual pass not so much, because they've made a calculated offer to get you there repeatedly without gate for the ancillary purchases. That is the deal. But I understand it under the circumstances.

But those that go 28 days a year and say "my time is too valuable" so they buy the dak fastpasses for $269 dollars...are screewing themselves and everyone in the longterm.

Or if you're there 12 days and get the Halloween party cause you can get "so much done"...ya nuts. What the hell is there to "get done" in 2 weeks? Lick the bottom of the typhoon lagoon wave pool clean?

...it's really Just a cycle of irresponsible spending...them knowing it and exploiting it...and then consumer self justification.

Have to break the wheel before it's stratospherically a bad deal.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Unless it's fallen dramtically over the last 15 years (since I've been out of the game)...the average stay at wdw is 6.8 or so days

...which in no way contradicts what I said.

 

[21stamps]

Because on the one day ticket...you've only made a $150 or so investment and the upsell makes sense. The annual pass not so much, because they've made a calculated offer to get you there repeatedly without gate for the ancillary purchases. That is the deal. But I understand it under the circumstances.

But those that go 28 days a year and say "my time is too valuable" so they buy the dak fastpasses for $269 dollars...are screewing themselves and everyone in the longterm.

Or if you're there 12 days and get the Halloween party cause you can get "so much done"...ya nuts. What the hell is there to "get done" in 2 weeks? Lick the bottom of the typhoon lagoon wave pool clean?

...it's really Just a cycle of irresponsible spending...them knowing it and exploiting it...and then consumer self justification.

Have to break the wheel before it's stratospherically a bad deal.

I’m not following your logic here.. $270 for one person for one day at WDW makes sense. But adding a party to a 7 day park ticket, at a fraction of the daily price, does not?
I think we’re on two different wave lengths here.. and that’s ok.

Unless it's fallen dramtically over the last 15 years (since I've been out of the game)...the average stay at wdw is 6.8 or so days

That sounds high, extremely high, but let’s go with it.. it has nothing to do with all of the people in the parks who are not staying for 6.8 days at a WDW Resort.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

...which in no way contradicts what I said.

So when they start selling half day tickets for triple figures...and APs are $1500, you'll be happy in the Mickey cop bag checks cause "well...some people are only here 2 days..."

...I give you credit if you do...but I guess I'm on the other side of that coin. I still think disney is a middle class product, it only really works longterm that way, and slapping a "luxury" label on it will fail. And bob iger couldn't or really shouldn't care less...but the consumers left behind betta...