News Announced: Mary Poppins Attraction in UK Pavilion

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doctornick

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I'd like to see them just put Mr. Toad in the UK pavilion (preferably, the superior MK version) and just be done with it. Heck, put in both Toad and DL's Alice ride back to back like they are in DL if there is space. It would be simple and relatively cheap and would be able to be quickly to add more capacity for the park (perhaps helping with the crowds on that side of the park that will come with Ratatouille and the gondola opening).

Sure, Mr Toad isn't a great fit, but nothing is unless they want to use Sword in the Stone and at least if they brought back Toad, it would satisfy a lot of the nostalgia/purist types who are upset about changes in Epcot; I mean, at least such folks would feel conflicted rather than outright angry.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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Kamikaze said:
Regardless of improvements, turning two attractions into one is not what MK needs.
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If they expand Pan, and have more guests moving through the ride per hour, this wouldn't be a problem. Considering the fact that Philharmagic barely has any wait times above 15 minutes, and Pan has some of the highest wait times in the park, this could be very beneficial. Also, Tomorrowland is also getting the new Tron Coaster, and Magic Kingdom has a lot of rides already.
 
Kamikaze

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Brer Oswald said:
If they expand Pan, and have more guests moving through the ride per hour, this wouldn't be a problem. Considering the fact that Philharmagic barely has any wait times above 15 minutes, and Pan has some of the highest wait times in the park, this could be very beneficial. Also, Tomorrowland is also getting the new Tron Coaster, and Magic Kingdom has a lot of rides already.
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Philharmagic's wait times might not get high, but it moves a ton of people through the show.

One new attraction hardly makes a difference here, especially since Tron isn't high capacity.

I don't know if you've been to a park that actually has a lot of attractions, but MK does not, when you consider the amount of guests in the park per day. It has a lot of attractions if you're basing it on what WDW parks have.

If you're basing it on, say, DLR - well, Disneyland Park itself has more attractions than all of WDW combined. And gets roughly the same amount of yearly guests as Magic Kingdom sees.

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doctornick

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Kamikaze said:
If you're basing it on, say, DLR - well, Disneyland Park itself has more attractions than all of WDW combined.
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That's not even remotely true. Certainly, DL has a significant amount of rides, including quite a bit more than MK, but even there DL alone does not have as many rides as all of WDW. And DLR does not has as many attractions overall as all of WDW -- WDW has quite a lot of non-ride attractions throughout the resort.
 
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Brer Oswald said:
If they expand Pan, and have more guests moving through the ride per hour, this wouldn't be a problem. Considering the fact that Philharmagic barely has any wait times above 15 minutes, and Pan has some of the highest wait times in the park, this could be very beneficial. Also, Tomorrowland is also getting the new Tron Coaster, and Magic Kingdom has a lot of rides already.
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I think Pans wait times are primarily because there is basically zero FP queue there to make use of. People waiting for the FP entrance almost immedately start to block the street, so they feed them in as soon as they arrive, whenever they arrive, which can cause huge stalls in the main line.
 
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Kamikaze said:
Philharmagic's wait times might not get high, but it moves a ton of people through the show.

One new attraction hardly makes a difference here, especially since Tron isn't high capacity.

I don't know if you've been to a park that actually has a lot of attractions, but MK does not, when you consider the amount of guests in the park per day. It has a lot of attractions if you're basing it on what WDW parks have.

If you're basing it on, say, DLR - well, Disneyland Park itself has more attractions than all of WDW combined. And gets roughly the same amount of yearly guests as Magic Kingdom sees.

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PhilharMagic is a odd one for sure. A new 4K projection and updated show scenes would probably help in the short term but wait times would likely revert back to 15min walk on status once the novelty of "new" wore off. I think what needs to happen for long term, beyond the obvious tech upgrade would be to include a holding room or play area similar to what they did with Dumbo. Only in this instance the goal wouldn't be queuing quicker, but waiting longer. Theater filled to a minimum 3/4ths capacity or better. To do that, Disney could pad out the experience, giving guests something to do while they wait to enter. Once it reaches capacity the theater doors open. For PhilharMagic maybe a museum/prop house or area to play music? I also think interchangeable and updated random scenes would be a nice way to keep it fresh. Not at all related to UK pavilion discussion. Sorry Mom.

On a related topic. I don't think UK is getting a darkride. Can anyone confirm this to be a possibility? er. Probable or just wishful thinking.
 
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Brer Oswald

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Kamikaze said:
Philharmagic's wait times might not get high, but it moves a ton of people through the show.

One new attraction hardly makes a difference here, especially since Tron isn't high capacity.

I don't know if you've been to a park that actually has a lot of attractions, but MK does not, when you consider the amount of guests in the park per day. It has a lot of attractions if you're basing it on what WDW parks have.

If you're basing it on, say, DLR - well, Disneyland Park itself has more attractions than all of WDW combined. And gets roughly the same amount of yearly guests as Magic Kingdom sees.

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Yes I have been to DL, and yes I know it has way more attractions. I'm just saying if it takes removing a non popular attraction to fix the capacity problems of one of the most popular rides on the resort, why not take the opportunity?
 
Amidala

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I'd consider Mary Poppins more of a love letter to England than either AiW or Peter Pan–I'd love to see a Mary Poppins ride of some sort in the UK, but can't imagine what it might look like. Peter Pan in particular feels so synonymous with Fantasyland for me that it wouldn't feel right anywhere else. The ride could definitely use an overhaul, though...and I don't think a new paint job and added effects (like what the DL version received for the park's latest anniversary) would cut it at this point. IMO, a modernized dark ride (like a better executed New Fantasyland TLM, with more accurate animatronics) would be much more likely to satisfy guests. Unfortunately, I can't see that happening anytime soon, since WDW went out of its way to update the Peter Pan queue space. I've actually gotten on the standby line just to walk through the queue and hop back out multiple times–it's a very cool space!

If we did get AiW in the UK, do you all think it would be another classic dark ride (or even an updated clone of DL's) or something completely different? I would really love a dark ride that gave us a continuation of the classic story (maybe taking inspiration from Through the Looking Glass?). I doubt this would happen, but rehashings of a plot we've already seen are hit or miss for me...I expected much more of the new TLM ride (I found the animatronics to be weirdly Barbie-like and the pacing off).
 
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Double dipping with Wdwmagic and the Disboards but someone over there, did they get it from here? But anyway they say the gondola station would go here backed up to the U.K. pavilion so this is where the ride/ attraction/ whatever is coming is going. Not sure if this is old news but thought I'd share!!
 
Kamikaze

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Brer Oswald said:
Yes I have been to DL, and yes I know it has way more attractions. I'm just saying if it takes removing a non popular attraction to fix the capacity problems of one of the most popular rides on the resort, why not take the opportunity?
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Why would you say 'MK has a lot of rides' when you've been to a park that has a lot of rides, and even then gets overrun?

Lets be clear about Philharmagic - it moves a lot of people. It has double the hourly capacity (a little less than double, but with all the stopping Pan does, its basically double) as Pan does. So if you drop it, and double Pan, you're looking at 0 change for attraction capacity.

Simply looking at wait times is not an indicator of an attractions popularity or success. It used to be that Pirates would be walk on almost always. Was that a success indicator? No. It was because it moves tons of people. Giant crowd eaters are what Disney parks need more of, not less. Its the problem with Pandoras waits, and it will be the problem with SW:GE and TSL as well. TSL at least can count TSM as an attraction so that will help, but its other two are low capacity.
 

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