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[Bender123]

Lots of hippies on that list. Seems disproportionate.

Im also amazed that Iron Eyes Cody is on the list...what with him being an Italian guy who played Native Americans. they couldn't find an actual Native American for that?

 

[Otterhead]

Im also amazed that Iron Eyes Cody is on the list...

Not a good choice to represent Natives, but his image was an icon of the environmental movement of the 70s.

 

[PB Watermelon]

I'd bump Madonna for Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce for Maya Angelou, and I'll say it again, find some space for Steven Spielberg.

 

[RSoxNo1]

The paralympic athlete in the wheel chair is Tatyana McFadden, confirmed by Disney. I hate to see the Hoyt's go, but that's absolutely an acceptable replacement.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Personally, I don't think these belong - Gloria Steinem; Michelle Obama; Madonna; Beyoncé. Maya Angelou would be a far better choice than any of them. And as much as I dislike Oprah's stances on many things, she's done more for others than any of the four I mentioned.

 

[RSoxNo1]

As a Patriots fan, I agree.
Gretzky however, is Canadian. (Though, as a Bruins fan, if I were looking for folks to put into a Canadian film, I'd say Bobby Orr before Gretzky ) The 1980 US Olympic Hockey team was in the film before.

Elon Musk's nationality could theoretically exclude him from the list as well but I assume he's an American Citizen at this point.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'd bump Madonna for Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce for Maya Angelou, and I'll say it again, find some space for Steven Spielberg.

Enough people won't know the difference between a young George Lucas and a young Steven Spielberg that I'm sure some people will think he's in there.

 

[RobotWolf]

One of the things that give America its distinct character is that we will never EVER agree on what should be included in a show like this. The Imagineers found this out in the late '70s. It's an impossible task.

The show can't last an egregious amount of time. So it has to be distilled to the important bits. But what's important in American history is different for everyone, American or otherwise.

And, to be fair, since it's EPCOT, the opinions of non-Americans should be considered as well; making it all the more difficult.

 

[Otterhead]

And, to be fair, since it's EPCOT, the opinions of non-Americans should be considered as well; making it all the more difficult.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Steven Spielberg is one of the founding members of Dreamworks, would Disney be likely to exclude him for that reason?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Steven Spielberg is one of the founding members of Dreamworks, would Disney be likely to exclude him for that reason?

Speilberg is co-directing the next Indy Movie. Disney distributed and co-produced some of his latest movies (Bridge of Spies, The BFG). So, unlikely they'd purposely snub him for any reason.

 

[montyz81]

As a Patriots fan, I agree.
Gretzky however, is Canadian. (Though, as a Bruins fan, if I were looking for folks to put into a Canadian film, I'd say Bobby Orr before Gretzky ) The 1980 US Olympic Hockey team was in the film before.

Fair enough. I guess I was trying to be impartial to Boston only sports. I can think of many others from the US at the top of their game that could have been included. I don't remember the 1980 Hockey team and I have seen that film since 1983. I'll look back in the archives.

 

[montyz81]

And, to be fair, since it's EPCOT, the opinions of non-Americans should be considered as well; making it all the more difficult.

I am not so sure I agree with this statement. American's should be the only ones to have an opinion about what should or should not be included in a film about America. Part of the problem with this country and to a certain extent the problem with this world is that we spend to much time worrying about what everyone thinks to the point of grinding progress down to a halt. If I am speaking out of turn here, I do apologize. I guess I look at it as, who am I to have an opinion as to whether or not William Shatner or Martin Short should show up as the narrator of O'Canada? It isn't my country so I don't have the right to provide an opinion. Again sorry if I am not following your point.

 

[JohnD]

Exactly. Bugs me every time I see it. The actual torch flame was replaced in 1986.

Torch not changed. Oh well.

 

[JohnD]

Here's a quick rundown of who all is included in the updated montage. Figures marked with an asterisk are new to this version. Descriptions in brackets are ones I'm not sure about; I'd gladly update the list if anybody has a better idea how they are

1. Marines raising flag at Iwo Jima
2. War is Over celebrators
3. Mary Martin
4. Norman Rockwell (self-portrait)
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Rosa Parks
7. Jasper Johns (painting US flags)
8. Dwight & Mamie Eisenhower
9. Marilyn Monroe
10. Johnny Carson (on TV)
11. Lucille Ball (on TV)
12. Walt Disney
13. Chuck Yeager
14. Albert Einstein
15. [boy with walking crutches]
16. Jonas Salk
17. Babe Didrikson Zaharias
18. Frank Lloyd Wright
19. Aaron Copland
20. Frank Sinatra
21. Louis Armstrong
22. Ella Fitzgerald
23. Elvis Presley
24. John F Kennedy (dialogue) & Lyndon Johnson
25. John F Kennedy Jr
26. Civil Rights protestors
27. Martin Luther King Jr (dialogue)
28. Moon landing with Neil Armstrong & NASA ground control
29. Walter Cronkite
30. Bob Dylan
31. [hippie woman]
32. Cesar Chavez
33. Iron Eyes Cody
34. [protestors]
35. Alex Haley
36. US soldiers in Vietnam
37. Vietnam protestors
38. Joan Baez
39. Mourners at Vietnam Memorial
40. Gloria Steinem
41. Sandra Day O'Connor
42. Billie Jean King
43. Jim Henson
44. George Lucas
45. Steve Jobs
46. Challenger crew
47. [astronaut playing clarinet]
48. Ronald Reagan & Mikhail Gorbachev (at Berlin Wall)
49. *Madonna
50. *Quincy Jones
51. *John Williams
52. [AIDS scientists]
53. George W Bush & 9/11 firefighters
54. Army Special Forces (berets)
55. *Girl with flag
56. Military family reunion
57. *Michael Phelps
58. Bill Clinton & George HW Bush
59. *Bill & Melinda Gates
60. *Barack & Michelle Obama
61. *Venus & Serena Williams
62. *LeBron James
63. *Misty Copeland
64. Yo-Yo Ma
65. *Beyoncé Knowles
66. *Elon Musk
67. *Neil deGrasse Tyson
68. *Mark Zukerberg
69. Muhammed Ali (Atlanta Olympics torch)
70. *Tatyana McFadden
71. *2016 Olympic women's gymnastics team

Removed from this version: NWA, Whoopi Goldberg(?) and Billy Crystal(?) (at Comic Relief), Willie Nelson (at Farm Aid), Race for the Cure runners, Tom Brokaw, NYC police, Michelle Kwan, 1980 Olympic hockey team ("miracle on ice"), Tony Hawk, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, Frank Gehry, Rick & **** Hoyt, Lance Armstrong, 2004(?) Olympic women's volleyball team, kids with sparklers

I find it interesting that NDT and Musk are both in it.

 

[larryz]

I find it interesting that TDL and Musk are both in it.

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Has anyone actually seen NdGT since the Falcon Heavy launch...?

You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.

And sometimes even dying won't save you.

 

[JohnD]

Has anyone actually seen NdGT since the Falcon Heavy launch...?

Kinda makes me wish the new version was delayed. Instead of the SpaceX model behind Musk, they could have shown Starman in the Tesla.

 

[trainplane3]

Kinda makes me wish the new version was delayed. Instead of the SpaceX model behind Musk, they could have shown Starman in the Tesla.

But on the other hand, that's the Dragon capsule which will actually be carrying people later this year*. So I guess it could be seen as future proofing? Regardless, I'm glad to see Mr. Awkward Speaker in the movie! Watch his press announcements, they're always good fun. Makes him seem more human and less robot-like (unlike most CEOs).

*December 2018...as long as no delays happen of course.

 

[PB Watermelon]

Steven Spielberg is one of the founding members of Dreamworks, would Disney be likely to exclude him for that reason?

I might be wrong, but I think Spielberg signed an exclusive agreement with Universal to develop theme park attractions, and before then, had a pronounced falling-out with Michael Eisner post-Roger Rabbit. Which is a shame, because Spielberg is a huge admirer of Walt Disney and has peppered his films with little references to Walt's work.

 

[marni1971]

Spielberg and Eisner was a tiff.... it was Jeff K who he went nuclear with (the K in Dreamworks SKG)

Surely all water under the bridge now for uncle Bob?