Al Lutz: Tom Staggs stepping back and reconsidering many aspects of FLE

aklodge

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From today's article:

Why we're glad we're not Orlando

The Florida version of the Little Mermaid is one of the few things still certain about the larger Fantasyland expansion that it’s a part of, which is a good thing as it’s the lone headliner for that project. With Tom Staggs now firmly in charge of Disney Parks and Resorts, the girl-centric Fantasyland expansion for Magic Kingdom that was very heavy on Princesses and very light on testosterone was called into question early this summer. The Beauty and the Beast restaurant and the Little Mermaid ride are still a definite go, but the girly Princess meet n’ greets are on thin budgetary ice now and subject to additional cuts, and the entire eastern half of the expansion that was to comprise a Dumbo area and a bigger version of Disneyland’s Pixie Hollow (with a Tinker bell version of Tow Mater’s Junkyard Jamboree coming to Carsland) has all been put into a holding pattern.

The Team Disney Orlando executives were already leery of the overall price tag, and so they are happy to oblige Tom with his request to step back and reconsider everything. Tom simply doesn’t think the overall plan gave the company the most bang for the buck, and as a father with three young sons, Tom wasn’t that impressed with the exclusively feminine components of the Fantasyland expansion there. All of this won’t impact the California version of the ride however, as Tom has given the thumbs up to continue spending the rest of the 1.2 Billion originally planned to be poured into DCA.

I'm beginning to wonder if this full-fledged FL expansion will ever fully materialize. I think some in TDO along with Tom are realizing that perhaps many aspects of the expansion are too focused. With the recent rumors swirling about a Frontierland expansion, I think the possibility of Little Mermaid and the B&B restaurant being the only FL additions that ever fully materialize is increasing.
 

Evil Genius

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For once...I would like WDI and TDO to announce something and actually STICK to it!

Sorry...I'm just so over all the bait and switch even if the total project wasn't to everyone's liking. You want to tweak it fine...but don't just start haphazardly cutting it up!

Just so frustrating...:brick:
 

misterID

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"Why we're glad we're not Orlando"

Heh, I bet. :D

Tom Staggs sounds like the right guy. I just wish he'd make some frequent visits to WDW, because all the head guys are STILL just mainly concerned with DL. I hope that does change if DCA and DL's attendance and profits keep rising.

What blows is DL's TL is pretty much locked for a big refurb and a new E attraction, possibly a new People Mover. But now they're planning a big Frontier Land refurb on top of it. Good lord.
 

NewfieFan

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This just makes me sad! I guess every fanboy here will get their wish... Princesses will get the boot and to replace it... nothing! Personally, I'll take the Princesses... even if the M&Gs didn't interest you, I think visually it would have looked amazing!
 

WDWFigment

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It seems like something has to replace the princess M&Gs if they get cut. That would be a lot of dead space between TLM and Beast's castle, otherwise.
 

jakeman

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This just makes me sad! I guess every fanboy here will get their wish... Princesses will get the boot and to replace it... nothing! Personally, I'll take the Princesses... even if the M&Gs didn't interest you, I think visually it would have looked amazing!
Everything the fanboys wanted...in the worst possible way.

Awesome...:rolleyes:
It seems like something has to replace the princess M&Gs if they get cut. That would be a lot of dead space between TLM and Beast's castle, otherwise.
First off, congrats on completing your test!

Second, I agree. Phase 2 being empty I can understand, but something has to go in that open area...unless they plan to leave Dumbo where it is, but that throws off the theme.
 

sweetpee_1993

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If TDO is so concerned about cost why not just sell off more land? Perhaps push a Mickey casino.... ((kidding, of course))

I wasn't all that thrilled with a whole section of the park dedicated to princess meet-n-greets but I have to agree with Newfiefan. Something is better than nothing. They've cleared the land. They need to do something with it. They can't just leave an open void between existing stuff and the Little Mermaid ride. They shouldn't scrap Dumbo, either. That ride really could use a capacity boost. Scary times for the WDW lovers. No doubt.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Let's wait and see what actually happens with the M&Gs (along with the rest of FLE) first. While I have no doubt there's been discussions, I'm not going to simply accept what Lutz is putting forward as the final word.....
 

Omegadiz

Active Member
"Why we're glad we're not Orlando"

Heh, I bet. :D

Tom Staggs sounds like the right guy. I just wish he'd make some frequent visits to WDW, because all the head guys are STILL just mainly concerned with DL. I hope that does change if DCA and DL's attendance and profits keep rising.

What blows is DL's TL is pretty much locked for a big refurb and a new E attraction, possibly a new People Mover. But now they're planning a big Frontier Land refurb on top of it. Good lord.

Im new so dont kill me if im wrong. Most regular people, meaning people who dont do this, go to wdw and go home sayin its so big and wonderful. If it had just 2 parks it would probably not be the most visited place in the world. Disneyland has always had a space problem, and with the idea that disneyland would never be complete, they have to focus a lot on Disneyland.
 

Buried20KLeague

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I'm beginning to wonder if this full-fledged FL expansion will ever fully materialize. I think some in TDO along with Tom are realizing that perhaps many aspects of the expansion are too focused. With the recent rumors swirling about a Frontierland expansion, I think the possibility of Little Mermaid and the B&B restaurant being the only FL additions that ever fully materialize is increasing.

Yep. I've said this from the VERY beginning... That I didn't think it was going to get built even CLOSE to the artwork we were shown, if it even ended up getting built at all. I recall others that were certain it would go down just as it was being shown, and that this was a turning point for WDW/TDO. :rolleyes:

well they had cleared a heck of a lot of land in Animal Kingdom awhile back just east of E:E and that is still sitting empty... :shrug:

Exactly. Clearing land means NOTHING. But look at the bright side... If nothing else gets built, they can toss some asphalt on it and make another exec parking lot out of it. Instead of seeing Walt's fleet of subs circling the lagoon... A fleet of parked Escalades! How magical!!!!
 

tirian

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"Why we're glad we're not Orlando"

Heh, I bet. :D

I love how Fat Al regularly criticizes Florida's guests and CMs as huge, sloppy, and fashion-challenged.

Tom Staggs sounds like the right guy. I just wish he'd make some frequent visits to WDW, because all the head guys are STILL just mainly concerned with DL. I hope that does change if DCA and DL's attendance and profits keep rising.

What blows is DL's TL is pretty much locked for a big refurb and a new E attraction, possibly a new People Mover. But now they're planning a big Frontier Land refurb on top of it. Good lord.

YES, the execs do need to spend more time in Florida. The DL/WDW dynamic was one thing Michael Eisner understood before he foolishly put Paul Pressler in charge of DL. Eisner dumped money into DL and WDW for over a decade, adding attractions and approving massive anniversary campaigns (DL's 35th and WDW's 25th). The company also featured several annual television specials with real A-list talent. Maintenance was superb, parades were regularly updated, and the general attitude was "build it and they will come." And people did. Eisner is the reason WDW became a destination vacation instead of just part of a trip to Florida.

I can't prove this, but I suspect Eisner's arrogance—he imagined himself a modern entertainment genius—also contributed to the high quality investment into WDW. He wanted the Florida Project to constantly outrank every other vacation destination because it deserved the praise, not because guests flocked there on pixie-driven nostalgia. Eisner assigned the best Imagineers and architects to WDW, eager to maintain the Disney tradition of "nothing but the best."

Of course, we all know what happened. Eisner wasn't a genius; he just hired the right people. Blinded with delusions of grandeur, he killed his accomplishments by stupidly micromanaging as many departments as possible, and overspending on "his" Magic Kingdom, DLP. Then he panicked and starting cutting costs in exactly the places he needed to keep spending money (films, American parks). He stopped taking risks, made every animated feature the same, and churned out DCA and HKDL. And now we're still dealing with those repercussions.

But I digress. Some of the execs need to take off their rose-colored, this-is-my-childhood-at-Disneyland glasses and invest in the Cash Cow that makes the American parks profitable—WDW. Walt knew the Florida Project would be bigger than DL could ever hope to be, and he was willing to move his company's operations to Florida. If Walt wasn't tethered by nostalgic feelings toward DL, Lasseter and Co. shouldn't be, either.

Come on, WDC. WDW is littered with closed restaurants, shows, and shops; barely-maintained rides; and execs whose business strategy is to ride somebody else's oiled machine into retirement. Give customers a new TDO leadership team that isn't afraid to commit to quality.

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To Staggs' credit, he isn't pulling the plug on FLE. He reportedly wants to spread the money to multiple attractions in the MK instead of investing it all into Princesses for Potty Trainers. It actually looks like several good things are on their way to Florida right now.

But TDO's decisions continue to undermine anyone else's good intentions: Lights of Winter, fewer Christmas offerings, less entertainment, Space Mountain's half-hearted refurb, overpriced table service restaurants, overpriced hard-ticket events, fewer perks at the hard-ticket events, no plan for PI, no upgrades to dark rides in the MK, the same day parade since 2000, etc. :(
 

tirian

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^^ All that negativity aside, some of the park VPs (okay, DHS and Epcot) are truly trying to improve their parks. (LoW is somebody else's decision.) I'll give them a shout-out. :D
 

WDWFigment

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^^ All that negativity aside, some of the park VPs (okay, DHS and Epcot) are truly trying to improve their parks. (LoW is somebody else's decision.) I'll give them a shout-out. :D

So DHS and Epcot are good. That means we just need to fill MK, AK, and whatever 'ancillary' positions exist (DtD, individual resorts, etc.) and we're set.

I have no experience managing a theme park, but Staggs, if you're reading this, I nominate myself for the MK. Seriously, could I be worse than the status quo? Private message me for a resume. :lookaroun
 

Master Gracey 5

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I'm just hoping they don't rush to a solution to fill the gaps - I'd rather there be empty space for a while and then have a well thought out replacement come in at a later date.
 

hpyhnt 1000

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I'm just hoping they don't rush to a solution to fill the gaps - I'd rather there be empty space for a while and then have a well thought out replacement come in at a later date.

Normally, I think most of us would agree. Its just that recent history tells us that TDOs "well-thought out" solution is too often doing nothing. :(
 

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