AK walk from bus stop to gate - in need of moving walkway?

[lazyboy97o]

I feel that it could be, yes. Do I believe that it is, I don't know.

What motivation does Microsoft or Google have for giving the wrong measurements?

 

[DisneyJunkie]

What motivation does Microsoft or Google have for giving the wrong measurements?

I could care less what their measurements are. Again, as stated from the very beginning, the walk from the buses to the entrance at AK feels very long. What the actual measurements are, they have no bearing on personal opinion, and honestly I don't care what those measurements are.

 

[njDizFan]

Perhaps the initial design could have been changed to allow for a shorter walk to the AK but I still don't see it as a huge discrepency. Yes it's hot, yes it's kinda long...but as others have stated it adds to the opulance and immersion upon reaching the Oasis. After dragging your feet for 1/4 mile in the florida heat you are transported(metaphorically)to this lush area of flora and fauna. I like the way it was designed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I could care less what their measurements are. Again, as stated from the very beginning, the walk from the buses to the entrance at AK feels very long. What the actual measurements are, they have no bearing on personal opinion, and honestly I don't care what those measurements are.

A false perception is very much a part of the equation. The belief that all opinions are of equal value is false. Different opinions are stronger than others, and their strength is based in the validity and facts behind their creation. A false, personal perception is all that you have, and your only claim to validate your perception is to repeatedly say people are not understanding you, being childish and being rude towards you. Dealing with a perception of greater length is a different design problem than dealing with an issue of actual greater length, and therefore to solve them would likely generate different solutions.

In the case of Disney's Animal Kingdom, it appears that the perception of a greater length is desirable. The park is intentionally built spread out, with long walkways that slowly reveal themselves while simultaneously seeking to pull further away from the real world, harkening back to the separation of the Magic Kingdom from its parking lot. There was a conscious decision, as part of the story being told at the park. While the actual bus stops are not further, I do not see how a perception of greater length is in any manner counter to the vision of the park. There are other means for those who find the walk tiresome to deal with this perception, including the use of mobility devices and regulating their activities during the day so as to not be unable to complete their end of day journey.

 

[nolatron]

The park is intentionally built spread out, with long walkways that slowly reveal themselves while simultaneously seeking to pull further away from the real world, harkening back to the separation of the Magic Kingdom from its parking lot.

Or maybe they were just trying to keep us there longer with all that walking since it's only a half-day park, lol.

 

[DisneyJunkie]

A false perception is very much a part of the equation. The belief that all opinions are of equal value is false. Different opinions are stronger than others, and their strength is based in the validity and facts behind their creation. A false, personal perception is all that you have, and your only claim to validate your perception is to repeatedly say people are not understanding you, being childish and being rude towards you. Dealing with a perception of greater length is a different design problem than dealing with an issue of actual greater length, and therefore to solve them would likely generate different solutions.

In the case of Disney's Animal Kingdom, it appears that the perception of a greater length is desirable. The park is intentionally built spread out, with long walkways that slowly reveal themselves while simultaneously seeking to pull further away from the real world, harkening back to the separation of the Magic Kingdom from its parking lot. There was a conscious decision, as part of the story being told at the park. While the actual bus stops are not further, I do not see how a perception of greater length is in any manner counter to the vision of the park. There are other means for those who find the walk tiresome to deal with this perception, including the use of mobility devices and regulating their activities during the day so as to not be unable to complete their end of day journey.

Actually, there is no false perception. It's simply a matter of opinion, which can't be either true or false. Your assertion that opinions cannot be of equal value is both ridiculous and wholly incorrect. That is based upon the age-old adage "opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one". No one person's opinion, regardless of what it's based upon, has any more value or weight than the next person's. You can rant on all you like, with your unjustifiable rudeness and false claims, because in the end your comments and your opinions are only valued by you alone. I have a personal perception, as do you, but it isn't false. I could make the argument that yours are false, which you would likely deny as well. In the end, what do either of us get? Nothing.

 

[flynnibus]

I'm sorry, but I'm not as naive as some who simply accept anyone's claims of "this is actually such-and-such feet" and take that as absolute fact.

You do realize there are numerous sites that allow you to measure distances and areas via websites right? As someone who claims to not be so naive to believe credible posters.. Maybe you should learn some basic research skills before resorting to..

I don't need to offer any numbers to counter it.

Because 'I can't hear you!!!' isn't really a mature stance

 

[DisneyJunkie]

You do realize there are numerous sites that allow you to measure distances and areas via websites right? As someone who claims to not be so naive to believe credible posters.. Maybe you should learn some basic research skills before resorting to..

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I don't need to offer any numbers to counter it.

Because 'I can't hear you!!!' isn't really a mature stance[/quote]


And your comment wasn't really a mature reply, either. The measurements and distances and calculations are irrelevant when it's all a matter of personal opinion and perception. Maybe you should do some basic reading of some of the previous comments before resorting to such immature replies.

 

[PhilharMagician]

Sorry, but that's simply not true. As someone who is "honest with themselves", what I will agree with - as evidenced by the design at AK - is that the Disney system is MOSTLY (but not always and not consistently) one of the more efficient designs for moving a large number of people. (If the monorail system linked all the parks, I might rate them higher.) And looking inwardly, I see that the situation is the poor placement of the bus area in relation to the distance to the entrance of the park.....something the common WDW-loving visitor cannot do anything about as far as improving it. That ability only belongs to the Disney company higher-ups.

If the monorail tied all the park I would rate it much lower. The monorail in its current design is very inefficient compared to the extremely versitile bus. However it is not as cool.

 

[PhilharMagician]

Disney transport is okay. Although I have too often spend too much time getting from A to B. Transport seems to be cursed forever by an absense of an overarching master plan during the Eisner hotel mania. WDW should've been clustered, in a few hubs.

But you'll get to DAK reasonably soon in reasonable comfort Where however a needless quarter of a mile walk is a shame. I once walked that back and forth last trip. From the park to the bus and back to park because I forgot something and then back to the bus. Goodness. That was quite a hike in the Florida heat and humidity.

The MK has ferry's, hotel boats, two monorail lines, walkway and buses arriving at its gate, all in a smaller area than DAK. That's funtional design. At DAK, it is only buses and tram, but yet you walk further.

The distance is not the end of the world. But I do get the impression it was designed by a fit person, not used to hauling kids around, sitting behind a desk in an airconditioned room. Where he was perhaps more concerned about the efficiency of the busing system than the needs of those people not fit and healthy and without children.

I do agree Americans are too fat and too lazy. But I'm not American, I'm European. And, oh irony, it is in the European Disney park that they use the lazy option proposed by the OP, that of a moving sidewalk.

WDW will not build a moving sidewalk at DAK any time soon. My concern in all this is that my next trip to WDW will be with a special needs person. She can walk, but she has limited energy. It's a shame if it is expended having to walk to a bus, having to stand waiting for a bus, having to walk in the blistering heat to a bus. Those sort of things matter to her. Me, I'm fine. I'll run that distance, for fun. But not everybody has that option. What I want is not an automated sidewalk - it's not going to happen anyway - but a consideration in every design decision of as many special needs as can reasonably be taken into account. There are a lot of people in between fit and handicapped - the elderly, the pregnant, the very young, the sickly, those with physical limitations. They don't need ECV's. They need shaded waiting areas and short walking distances.

I would like to note that I never truly stated that I had a masters in planology I only asked if it would help the discussion.

I am not sure if you are aware, but there are typically wheel chairs located out by the bus stop @ AK for use to get to the wheelchair rental area. Also the bus stop is covered so your friend will not have to stand in the heat and wait. My concern for your friend would be all of the walking inside the park where there is no cover from the sun in many locations. At AK there is also a gift shop at about the 1/2 way point between the bus stops and the gate which will offer a break from the sun.

 

[sublimesting]

Actually, there is no false perception. It's simply a matter of opinion, which can't be either true or false. Your assertion that opinions cannot be of equal value is both ridiculous and wholly incorrect. That is based upon the age-old adage "opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one". No one person's opinion, regardless of what it's based upon, has any more value or weight than the next person's. You can rant on all you like, with your unjustifiable rudeness and false claims, because in the end your comments and your opinions are only valued by you alone. I have a personal perception, as do you, but it isn't false. I could make the argument that yours are false, which you would likely deny as well. In the end, what do either of us get? Nothing.

Actually opinions can be wrong when your opinion is based on false information or is flat out wrong. You remind me of this lady at work in my department who said "I work longer hours than you do." I said "Actually, I routinely put in 10 more hours per pay period than you do." Her reply, "Perception counts for more than fact."

Well, no, no it does not. You perceive it as the longst walk but it isn't. So your "opinion" tha it is is a moot point, cause it's not.

Now, these people may not realzie this but you're trolling them aren't you?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Actually, there is no false perception. It's simply a matter of opinion, which can't be either true or false. Your assertion that opinions cannot be of equal value is both ridiculous and wholly incorrect. That is based upon the age-old adage "opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one". No one person's opinion, regardless of what it's based upon, has any more value or weight than the next person's. You can rant on all you like, with your unjustifiable rudeness and false claims, because in the end your comments and your opinions are only valued by you alone. I have a personal perception, as do you, but it isn't false. I could make the argument that yours are false, which you would likely deny as well. In the end, what do either of us get? Nothing.

You perceive that the distance is great, but the measurements show otherwise, thus the perception is false. A similar situation would be Main Street, USA where the common perception is that the buildings are taller. It can be one's opinion that the height is real, but that view is not equal to the view that the building are indeed shorter and employ forced perspective.

If all opinions were equal, then we would not have authorative figures and specialists. Your doctor may have an opinion on your illness, but sends you to a specialist's because the specialists opinion is considered to be of greater value. Your opinion is being diminished in its value because you have now repeatedly dismissed easily available facts and continue to call names at those who mention their existence and ability to be cross referenced. You're calling others childish while summarily dismissing anything that does not conform to your prejudice.

 

[ajrwdwgirl]

I think it is time this thread was closed...

 

[The Mom]

I think this one is done.