AK Kali River accident 5/29

[MonkeyHeadCup]

I heard from someone that they heard a scream, and when they looked into the water, it was red with blood - and there were no less than three severed heads floating in the water, like bobbing apples, then a flaming raft came floating by that was filled with fireworks, but by the time anyone realized what was about to happen - it was too late.... fireworks started shooting in all directions... this person said they then ran towards Everest, but the line was still too long... so they went and had some ribs at flame tree...

 

[AEfx]

This time I did not want his family to know he was readmitted into the hospital. I told his assisted living facility this and of course I signed all the HIPPA papers that said no information would be given out to anyone except for the people I have on my "ok" list. So his sister calls the facility and they told her he's at the hospital and now I'm on 24/7 watch for them at the hospital.

I know it's getting OT, but it sounds like poor implementation of HIPPA more than a problem with the law itself.

It's interesting they let you have an "OK" list. We weren't allowed to have them where I was - if you were restricted, you were restricted. That's at a hospital though, not an assisted living place.

My advice next time is to NOT have an OK list, and put the fear of law and God into the caregivers that NO info is to be given to ANYONE. You may look like a you-know-what if you are that stern, but once you mention the HIPPA law and they know you are going to persue it they will make special care (not that you should have to do that to get them to follow the law, but it will work). Then have anyone on the "OKAY" list contact you directly if they need more info. The less ambiguous you are (i.e. "NO ONE GETS INFO!" versus, "Well, you can talk to these people...") the easier it will be to enforce.

Good luck, and I hope it all works out!

AEfx

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I think all the phlegm from the teenagers spitting probably corroded the evacuation equipment leading to this event.

As for the media theyre just doing their job of infotaining us between reality tv programmes.

I blame Simon Cowell.

 

[aladdinjrstar]

Let Me get this straight: There was a sensor that set off for the platforms to come out they got on it and it fell? is that right?

 

[Kman101]

I THINK so ... or at least something along those lines.

 

[wesTcoastY]

That's what happens when the almighty dollar dictates our life. :shrug:

This is SO true! Quality will ALWAYS suffer when money dictates our life-as you said.

 

[tigsmom]

Let Me get this straight: There was a sensor that set off for the platforms to come out they got on it and it fell? is that right?

The sensor caused the rafts to stop as they were traveling up an incline. The platform that they use for evacuation malfunctioned somehow and the people were injured.

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

HIPPA is not as wonderful as everyone thinks. I am power of attorney for my grandfather and he just had brain surgery. I have been very protective of him due to his side of the family being very manipulative and screaming at hospital personnel, which actually makes it worse for the patient in the long run.

This time I did not want his family to know he was readmitted into the hospital. I told his assisted living facility this and of course I signed all the HIPPA papers that said no information would be given out to anyone except for the people I have on my "ok" list. So his sister calls the facility and they told her he's at the hospital and now I'm on 24/7 watch for them at the hospital.

I called in to make a complaint about the facility and the woman on the phone (at the HIPPA headquarters) was very rude to me. I was on my cell phone and could not write down this website address. She said she'd send me the paperwork in the mail and never did.

I have had several other negative HIPPA experiences too. The hospitals/doctors may use HIPPA as a crutch and say they are following guidelines but they are not.

There is no HIPAA headquarters. HIPAA is a Federal Act enforced to protect your healthcare information and to help prevent health insurance fraud. You would have to call the Federal Insurance Commission office of your state. Also, you would have to send forms in to the Federal Insurance Commission to be able to make a 'list' of who is okay or not to see your grandfather. As far as a hospital is concerned, immediate family (siblings, children, parents) are allowed to be told information the patient's condition. I can't understand how hospitals or doctors would use HIPAA as a 'crutch', since in many ways it ties their hands and makes alot more paperwork within the office. I have never encountered a hospital, doctor, or lawyer violating HIPAA guidelines, and in the last few years, I've seen alot of those.

 

[aladdinjrstar]

The sensor caused the rafts to stop as they were traveling up an incline. The platform that they use for evacuation malfunctioned somehow and the people were injured.

Oh!! I get it! Thabks alot and to everyone.

Off Topic: I play VMK and people were talking about it. They said worse have happend. Like, A cart on BTMR Fell off the yrack. People were in a tunnel and pout there hands up and it cut there hands off. So this isnt the first

yrack=Track

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Ergh, I don't think anyone has ever had a hand cut off by a tunnel entrance on Big Thunder....

 

[mousermerf]

Ergh, I don't think anyone has ever had a hand cut off by a tunnel entrance on Big Thunder....

Finger/hand detachments happen on the boatrides.

 

[WDW Monorail]

Finger/hand detachments happen on the boatrides.

Isn't this why the triggers were removed from toy guns in certain ride queues?

 

[Sherrybaby]

There is no HIPAA headquarters. HIPAA is a Federal Act enforced to protect your healthcare information and to help prevent health insurance fraud. You would have to call the Federal Insurance Commission office of your state. Also, you would have to send forms in to the Federal Insurance Commission to be able to make a 'list' of who is okay or not to see your grandfather. As far as a hospital is concerned, immediate family (siblings, children, parents) are allowed to be told information the patient's condition. I can't understand how hospitals or doctors would use HIPAA as a 'crutch', since in many ways it ties their hands and makes alot more paperwork within the office. I have never encountered a hospital, doctor, or lawyer violating HIPAA guidelines, and in the last few years, I've seen alot of those.

Um, you are wrong. I was given a direct number to the HIPPA violation reporting office. I don't know if it's a federal office or not but I talked to a very rude woman there who could have cared less. I have no reason to lie. I am simply stating MY experience--yours may be different.

And you do NOT have to contact any federal office to make the "ok" list. I had to fill out the "ok" list at the assisted living place and all 3 hospitals that he was admitted to--so that is also untrue.

The "crutch" is that they have signs all over that they follow HIPPA but then give out information to whomever calls in. My grandfather is in the hospital dying. Trust me, I'm not here telling lies. I'm here relating my own experience. But there is not a lot of compassion on these boards so I wouldn't expect anything less than a sarcastic response.

But thank you FX for being so nice.

Sherry

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Um, you are wrong. I was given a direct number to the HIPPA violation reporting office. I don't know if it's a federal office or not but I talked to a very rude woman there who could have cared less. I have no reason to lie. I am simply stating MY experience--yours may be different.

And you do NOT have to contact any federal office to make the "ok" list. I had to fill out the "ok" list at the assisted living place and all 3 hospitals that he was admitted to--so that is also untrue.

The "crutch" is that they have signs all over that they follow HIPPA but then give out information to whomever calls in. My grandfather is in the hospital dying. Trust me, I'm not here telling lies. I'm here relating my own experience. But there is not a lot of compassion on these boards so I wouldn't expect anything less than a sarcastic response.

But thank you FX for being so nice.

Sherry

First of all, I was not attempting sarcasm.

Secondly, I and my family are extremely well versed in HIPAA protocol, having had well over 25 years experience working for a major health insurance provider. If you were given a number to report a violation, it was not a central HIPAA office - it would have been a Federal Insurance Commission office. I was just correcting that, not necessarily for you but for general information. Federal HIPAA standards require a form to be signed in order for information on a person's medical history to be released - any forms you were given by a facility for a visiting list were not protected under HIPAA, they were merely lists that they had you fill out - as a courtesy, not as part of HIPAA. The lists that you gave them were probably used to check if certain visitors were allowed to see him, not for giving out information. HIPAA regulations allow general information on a patient's condition to be released to the family members by phone. If you do not want certain people visiting him in the hospital, and they are family, you would need a restraining order to prevent that.

Assuming that everyone here is uncaring and automatically being sarcastic is wrong. I care deeply about people and how they feel, and I'm sorry you are going through a rough time with your grandfather and his family. I was just sharing general HIPAA protocol based on statements in a post before your original post.

HIPAA regulations serve us all well when used appropriately. I feel safer knowing that the general public and potential employers do not have access to my medical records. If you have witnessed violations of the HIPAA regulations, or have been party to violations, you should call your State Insurance Commission or State Office of Insurance Regulation.

 

[Yensid_Robert9]

First and foremost I would like to say my thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved in the incident.

Next, I know this ride inside and out. Two weeks ago, I wascoming back home from nine months on the career start program. I worked at Kali River Rapids for those nine months. Let me tell you it was very weird to see this story all over the news. Now in all 100% honesty, I have not been in contact with any of my coworkers yet but I can let you know what more than likely happened based on what I've read on this thread.

Now not to sound like a total CM, but Disney doesn't evacuate guests, we exit them. Anyways, my thoughts on what might have occured that morning: Normal day, Kali probably had a few RIDE STOPS( just stops the rafts where they are) this can happen for a number of reasons. The sensors on this attraction are VERY sensitive, a little anole(lizard) has been known to cause an E-STOP(stops the rafts & drains the water) so more than likely a few RIDE STOPS then the computer not knowing the specific problem, issued an automatic E-STOP. At this time an In-Show Exit must be performed. There are technically 4(four) locations to exit guests: The burnzone(fire spot), Elephants(by the exit bridge), turntable(loading platform), and the Up-Ramp(lift hill). To exit guests on the up-ramp a device simply known as "The Beast" must be used. Now "The Beast" is a large heavy steel contraption that will slide all the way up the up-ramp. Now what might have happened was a raft was stopped fairly high up the ramp.(It does take two cast members to push "The Beast") the CMs probably pushed it up and locked it into place. However it might have malfunctioned and slid down the ramp after exiting the five guests off.

Again this is just a guess a very detailed guess lol but a guess. Hope it helps those having trouble understanding.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The sensors on this attraction are VERY sensitive, a little anole(lizard) has been known to cause an E-STOP(stops the rafts & drains the water)

You would think Disney would keep better accounts of all their roving AAs....:lookaroun

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

That sounds likely, because most reports are stating an evacuation platform malfunctioned. Although I caught WESH2 stating a sensor was malfunctioning, which I thought was weird since WDW and Reedy Creek stated that the sensors were functional and operating correctly...

 

[brertigger]

First and foremost I would like to say my thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved in the incident.

Next, I know this ride inside and out. Two weeks ago, I wascoming back home from nine months on the career start program. I worked at Kali River Rapids for those nine months. Let me tell you it was very weird to see this story all over the news. Now in all 100% honesty, I have not been in contact with any of my coworkers yet but I can let you know what more than likely happened based on what I've read on this thread.

Now not to sound like a total CM, but Disney doesn't evacuate guests, we exit them. Anyways, my thoughts on what might have occured that morning: Normal day, Kali probably had a few RIDE STOPS( just stops the rafts where they are) this can happen for a number of reasons. The sensors on this attraction are VERY sensitive, a little anole(lizard) has been known to cause an E-STOP(stops the rafts & drains the water) so more than likely a few RIDE STOPS then the computer not knowing the specific problem, issued an automatic E-STOP. At this time an In-Show Exit must be performed. There are technically 4(four) locations to exit guests: The burnzone(fire spot), Elephants(by the exit bridge), turntable(loading platform), and the Up-Ramp(lift hill). To exit guests on the up-ramp a device simply known as "The Beast" must be used. Now "The Beast" is a large heavy steel contraption that will slide all the way up the up-ramp. Now what might have happened was a raft was stopped fairly high up the ramp.(It does take two cast members to push "The Beast") the CMs probably pushed it up and locked it into place. However it might have malfunctioned and slid down the ramp after exiting the five guests off.

Again this is just a guess a very detailed guess lol but a guess. Hope it helps those having trouble understanding.

Very interesting, Yensid_Robert9. Thanks!

Does Kali cascade stop very often like Space Mountain does? Would this be a ride stop or an e-stop?

 

[rcapolete]

HIPPA is not as wonderful as everyone thinks. I am power of attorney for my grandfather and he just had brain surgery. I have been very protective of him due to his side of the family being very manipulative and screaming at hospital personnel, which actually makes it worse for the patient in the long run.

This time I did not want his family to know he was readmitted into the hospital. I told his assisted living facility this and of course I signed all the HIPPA papers that said no information would be given out to anyone except for the people I have on my "ok" list. So his sister calls the facility and they told her he's at the hospital and now I'm on 24/7 watch for them at the hospital.

I called in to make a complaint about the facility and the woman on the phone (at the HIPPA headquarters) was very rude to me. I was on my cell phone and could not write down this website address. She said she'd send me the paperwork in the mail and never did.

I have had several other negative HIPPA experiences too. The hospitals/doctors may use HIPPA as a crutch and say they are following guidelines but they are not.

As far as the accident at Kali--it depresses me. Everyone is so active at WDW and puts themselves in all kinds of danger. We are much more active at WDW than probably anywhere else in our lives. Truly, WDW has so few accidents compared to all the movement that is going on in that park, and I understand that.

That being said--with all the stuff going on I just don't feel as much like it's my "safe" place anymore. Again, not Disney's fault--it's life--but it taints my view of my experience.

Sherry

Just as a quick correction it is HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) not HIPPA

 

[MythBuster]

Very interesting, Yensid_Robert9. Thanks!

Does Kali cascade stop very often like Space Mountain does? Would this be a ride stop or an e-stop?

Basically, since this a water ride, the rafts cascade by gravity, but there can only be so many in each zone, and the rafts in the previous zone won't move until the other rafts move.

Usually what happens it a sensor disagreement, but only give you a ride stop not a E-Stop. But like what has happened before is the downramp sensors were blocked but no raft was there. So they had to E-Stop the ride and stop the pumps to go check the sensor and when they got there, there was a frog blocking the sensor, so you get the frog out of the way, then the ride is good to go to start back up, but you can't start the ride with guests in the rafts, so they have to get all the guests out of the rafts. And that
is when they got injured, when exiting a ride that was shut down already