AK Dragon on Logo Explained

speck76

Well-Known Member
askmike1 said:
Dinosaur is not a rethemed Indy. Just because there the same ride technology doesn't mean there the same. Thats like comparing a small steel Rollercoaster (like the Barnstormer) to a huge 80mph steel rollercoaster (like something in Cedar Point).

-Michael

Or IaSW and PotC

Or Snow White's Scary Adventures and Winnie the Pooh

Or Buzz Lightyear and SSE
 

chancellor

Member
I believe there is still a substantial amount of cleared land behind Camp Minnie-Mickey that could easily house an e-ticket ride. FotLK would not have to be relocated, though I admit there would be some transitional problems with the "woodsy" area going into something mythical (not that FotLK fits in Camp Minnie-Mickey in the first place).

As for Dinosaur and Indy, it was my understanding that Dinosaur uses the same track layout and the same vehicle technology as Indy (meaning the Indiana Jones Adventure in DL), but with completely different themeing for a different experience. They are much more simlar than the Barnstormer and a huge 80 MPH roller coaster. My point was that the same could be done with JTTCOE re-themed to a dragon-based ride.
 

DarkMeasures

New Member
askmike1 said:
One major problem with that. BK was originally meant to be where Camp Minnie Mickey is now. With the mass sucess of FotLK (as well as enclosing that show in a permanant theater), it would need to go somwhere else.
Dinosaur is not a rethemed Indy. Just because there the same ride technology doesn't mean there the same. Thats like comparing a small steel Rollercoaster (like the Barnstormer) to a huge 80mph steel rollercoaster (like something in Cedar Point).

-Michael

Actually, no.

First of all, the land set aside for Beastly Kingdomme is between Camp Minnie Mickey and Africa. There might not seem to much room but that is the area set aside for that area. And any backstage building in the way could easily be moved because they are almost all trailers. Not only that, but Camp Minnie Mickey was ment to be demolished to make room for future lands. And even with FOTLK being where it is, the original attraction was built on the super cheap and it wouldn't hurt at all financially for the attraction to move to another land.

And second, Dinosaur is a rethemed Indy. Not only is it the same ride system but it has the exact same layout and certain events also are based on the same mechanics. (The final scenes on both are awfully similar). Now to actually make the comparison like you made, that would be more or less comparing Dinosaur to Test Track which also both happen to feature the same ride system.

I should also state that the concept for Dragon's Tower and Everest are completly different and the aspect of Beastly Kingdomme can still exist in the park. I am the concepts for the attractions in this land are nothing like Everest in any way except the mythical animal. For example, Dragon's Tower. The Bats for some reason (never explained) want you to help steal a dragon's gem and that is what the whole story is centered upon. The ride vehicle itself is not a Dragon but bats holding seats. So the ride could even coexist with Dueling Dragons.


In all, there is absolutly no reason why Beastly Kingdomme can't be built or even one or two of its attractions. (honestly, I only like Dragon's Tower and I dislike every other thing). And with Strategic Planning being dimished, it will be much harder for someone against the project to be able to cancel it which in turn will give the area a much higher chance of being built. I say that there is a closer chance for Beastly Kingdomme to be built than when the area was originally cut from the first phase.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
DarkMeasures said:
Now to actually make the comparison like you made, that would be more or less comparing Dinosaur to Test Track which also both happen to feature the same ride system.

I do not think this is correct....

If that is the case, what was the problem with the building of Test Track that delayed the attraction for 2 years....since the technology in Dinosaur had been around for a number of years prior (Since Indy opened at DL)

Also....I was under the impression that the ride system for TT was created by Intamin, whereas Indy/Dinosaur was WDI.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
This is the first I'd heard of Dragon's Tower, my assumption is that it's an old idea thrown around during the original concepts of Beastly Kingdom.

I know AK has stated a desire to have mythical creatures in the park and are making their first step with EE, but how bout another animal walk through or ride? I know many people are worried about the AK being a half day park, but the real animals are what make it "The Animal Kingdom"
 

askmike1

Member
I think a major factor in Dragon Tower was dependant on the success of Ring of Fire (which wasn't all that successful at the b.o.)

-Michael
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
RSoxNo1 said:
This is the first I'd heard of Dragon's Tower..

RSox - think of a certain attraction at IOA, then wonder how many Imagineers `departed` WDI during IOA`a conception - then guess who hired them.
 

DarkMeasures

New Member
speck76 said:
I do not think this is correct....

If that is the case, what was the problem with the building of Test Track that delayed the attraction for 2 years....since the technology in Dinosaur had been around for a number of years prior (Since Indy opened at DL)

Also....I was under the impression that the ride system for TT was created by Intamin, whereas Indy/Dinosaur was WDI.

Nope. WDI developed Test Track and it is an EMV.

The problem with the delays comes from this fact. Dinosaur goes maybe at a top speed of 10 mph, probably slower. Test Track on the otherhand was designed up to 100 mph (even if it only goes 65), and was designed to be able to stop at any moment on the track instantly and safely. But the ride system was developed totally in house by WDI.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
DarkMeasures said:
Nope. WDI developed Test Track and it is an EMV.

The problem with the delays comes from this fact. Dinosaur goes maybe at a top speed of 10 mph, probably slower. Test Track on the otherhand was designed up to 100 mph (even if it only goes 65), and was designed to be able to stop at any moment on the track instantly and safely. But the ride system was developed totally in house by WDI.

That makes sense....thanks for the clarification. I did, at one point, swear that I read Intamin was involved at some point. (With Intamin's involvement, problems would be expected :lol: )
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
DarkMeasures said:
Nope. WDI developed Test Track and it is an EMV..

Is it really an EMV? It has the same guidance and power set up as an EMV, but no enhanced motion; only 4 wheel steer.

I`m still trying to find the acronym for the TT/JTTCOTE vehicles - I read it somewhere...
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
I'm assuming you're talking about dueling dragons or something like that. I've only been to IOA once and to me the inverted coasters don't exactly lend themselves to family style thrills
 

gboiler1

Active Member
RSoxNo1 said:
This is the first I'd heard of Dragon's Tower, my assumption is that it's an old idea thrown around during the original concepts of Beastly Kingdom.

I know AK has stated a desire to have mythical creatures in the park and are making their first step with EE, but how bout another animal walk through or ride? I know many people are worried about the AK being a half day park, but the real animals are what make it "The Animal Kingdom"

Mouseplanet featured a 2 part series in December on Beastlie Kingdomme, but mainly Dragon Tower. It's a great read and you'll see why it's an exciting prospect.

Here's the link to part 2, which includes a link to part 1. Enjoy!

http://www.mouseplanet.com/mark/mg041027.htm
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
BK looked to be a neat area, but besides Dragon Tower....I am not sure much else was there....a maze, some shops......overall, I am not sure THIS is what DAK needs.
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
speck76 said:
BK looked to be a neat area, but besides Dragon Tower....I am not sure much else was there....a maze, some shops......overall, I am not sure THIS is what DAK needs.

I concur. Animal Kingdom needs a lot more. I believe mythological animals do belong, but we need a good balance of everything. I'd still like to see Dragon Tower. I'd also like to see more animal based attractions.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
When EE opens, I think the crowds to DAK are going to increase by quite a bit. This being the case, I would think DAK will end up reaching capacity on MANY days.....simply because there is not a great deal of space for people to be in the park.

This last Sunday, I got there are about 3pm......the parking lot was only 2/3 full, but the park was packed......to a level where it was not comfortable. It was hard to walk the paths, due to the large number of guests. KS, Dinosaur, and Kali all had significant waits (45+ minutes).

When EE opens, more people will come to the park. Let's say EE raises the attendance by 7%. That would add an additional 1800 people into the park EVERY day. Now, even though EE will be able to hold this many people in its queue....ALL of DAK's main attractions will have Fastpass....so many of these people will be walking around the park, and not waiting in the queue.

My feeling is that DAK needs to add 2 or 3 more animal treks (like Pangani Forest or Maharaja Jungle) as this will give the park more "floor space" to hold bodies.

Also, perhaps some new exhibit needs to open near Rafiki's Planet Watch, which will keep people out in this area for a longer period of time.
 

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