Pete C
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I had the same reaction. :lol:
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After the Fantasyland expansion, then what?
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I had the same reaction. :lol:
Kamikaze
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I can't believe FW is having a drinking problem again. Would have thought it would be WS.
Not until I just read about the rumor of WDW's 50th. But I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
Thrill
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Can't see it happening.
I have no insider knowledge, but with two parks widely considered underdeveloped, it makes more sense to concentrate development in those areas. 1 more park means more time on buses and in parking lots, and less time in shops and restaurants. That's less revenue. Granted, it's worthy of a sharp ticket price hike, but that's going to take an absolute fortune to build. Spend too little, and you have a weak park that's going to get ignored because there are better things to do. Spend too much, and you're going to be waiting a really, really long time before you recoup the investment.
Land restraints are quickly becoming an issue, as well. It might seem surprising, but when you sell of property to build Celebration and Golden Oaks, that tends to happen.
Maybe a fifth park can happen in the long run, but it's going to be a ways off. Still, I have a feeling that the WDW theme park market is saturated. There are enough parks. They can fill those parks out, but building another one is just going to cannibalize the other four.
Keep in mind, a new park brings not only the cost of the fifth gate, but also expansions elsewhere.
Let's say they build a cheapy fifth gate, DCA style. No one goes. Waste of money.
If they build a super expensive park like Tokyo DisneySea, what's going to happen is that people are going to drop parks like Animal Kingdom with lower attraction counts. Congratulations, they've just spent a ton of money and attendance increases resort-wide haven't justified it. Granted, all new parks are going to cut into attendance at the other four, but long term, they want to increase resort-wide attendance by a big enough number to justify a massive capital investment.
Now, like I said, I have zero inside information. There might be actual statistics on the inside that show that, yes, a fifth gate would be beneficial to the entire resort. Jim Hill would have a much clearer idea of what's going on on the inside, simply because he knows people and I don't. But rational thinking leads me to believe that a fifth gate is not in the near future, and probably not even in the long term picture.
Maybe I'm just not thinking of the right definition of a fifth gate.
I don't like it. Pixar is already part of the existing parks. It would not be worth it to move them. I feel like people segregate Pixar from the rest of Disney. Really, what difference does it make if a character is CGI or hand drawn? Quality is all that counts.
As for turning DHS into animation, I think animation should have a bigger presence (in terms of actual attractions, rather than just names like Animation Courtyard and Pixar Place), but it shouldn't shut out live action.
Another issue with a fifth gate: How do you make a broad enough concept to make a theme park, while still making sure that it does not overlap with an existing park? This issue already affects the existing parks. I've seen arguments for a Tron attraction in Magic Kingdom, Epcot, and Hollywood Studios. Other attractions face that same issue of "Where does it fit?".
wdwfan4ver
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You really should of asked after Avatar land (Pandora) is done for AK, what is next. Avatar land is supposed to start construction at the time FLE construction is supposed to be done. FLE is supposed to done with construction in late 2013 and Avatar land is supposed to start construction in late 2013.
I like Epcot the most of the 4 parks, but Disney got it right by AK getting Avatar land and construction getting started in late 2013.
Future World is getting help next year with Test Track getting a major refurbishment next. That means Epcot is getting help even before FLE gets completed in late 2013. Disney might do another refurbishment for Future World after test track.
AK needs the most help along with DHS out the 4 theme parks WDW has. James Cameron already wants a flight attraction for that new land based on interview he had with IGN and I know it has been mentioned in the past the Cameron was Avatar land to take half a day to get through it before the Ign interview. While I am not a fan of the first Avatar, a land based on Avatar has a lot of potential if Disney doesn't decide to pull a "Chester and and Hester" with that land. It the land also is really 12 acres like Cameron mentioned, there should be multiple attractions and AK wouldn't need another expansion right away as a result.
I like Epcot the most of the 4 parks, but Disney got it right by AK getting Avatar land and construction getting started in late 2013.
Future World is getting help next year with Test Track getting a major refurbishment next. That means Epcot is getting help even before FLE gets completed in late 2013. Disney might do another refurbishment for Future World after test track.
AK needs the most help along with DHS out the 4 theme parks WDW has. James Cameron already wants a flight attraction for that new land based on interview he had with IGN and I know it has been mentioned in the past the Cameron was Avatar land to take half a day to get through it before the Ign interview. While I am not a fan of the first Avatar, a land based on Avatar has a lot of potential if Disney doesn't decide to pull a "Chester and and Hester" with that land. It the land also is really 12 acres like Cameron mentioned, there should be multiple attractions and AK wouldn't need another expansion right away as a result.
John
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Really! I think the exsistance of this thread is rather silly. Fantasyland isnt even open yet and we want "what is next" already. Talk about hard to please.....sheeeeesh The same people will be the ones complaining about the round of price hikes that will accompany the FL and Pandora exspansions.
How about just maintaining the magic as it is. How about not sacrificeing the details for trying to satisfy some insatiable need for 'bigger and better"
the real draw originally was that WDW was a beautiful, quiant detail oreinted park. Where quality not quanity was a culture. Now in this era of more more more....where even memories seem to be disposable. We have to have the next thrill bigger and better then the last. When yesterday literally becomes blase'.
No.... I refuse to go down this road. I still enjoy the first moment on every trip I see the castle for the first time. I stop and just soak it in. I dont run with the bulls to TSMM. I still enjoy COP. Where is the wonderment that Walt intended? Nostalgic? maybe....but think about it, isnt that the reason the parks were built to begin with. what is a memory anyway?....a nosatalgic moment in time. WDW is the one place on earth we can recapture the child in us all. I think WDW has given us more then enough to be excited about. Why dont we just let it happen? I am sorry for going on a rant, but this thread just seemed to rub me the wrong way. I guess it is a sign of the times. Where no one is satisfied. Where we gobble up the moment....and we take for granted what is right in front of us.
How about just maintaining the magic as it is. How about not sacrificeing the details for trying to satisfy some insatiable need for 'bigger and better"
the real draw originally was that WDW was a beautiful, quiant detail oreinted park. Where quality not quanity was a culture. Now in this era of more more more....where even memories seem to be disposable. We have to have the next thrill bigger and better then the last. When yesterday literally becomes blase'.
No.... I refuse to go down this road. I still enjoy the first moment on every trip I see the castle for the first time. I stop and just soak it in. I dont run with the bulls to TSMM. I still enjoy COP. Where is the wonderment that Walt intended? Nostalgic? maybe....but think about it, isnt that the reason the parks were built to begin with. what is a memory anyway?....a nosatalgic moment in time. WDW is the one place on earth we can recapture the child in us all. I think WDW has given us more then enough to be excited about. Why dont we just let it happen? I am sorry for going on a rant, but this thread just seemed to rub me the wrong way. I guess it is a sign of the times. Where no one is satisfied. Where we gobble up the moment....and we take for granted what is right in front of us.
wdwfan4ver
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I really hope a 5th gate doesn't happen. Disney really needs to maintain all the parks it has already has.
koryadams
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All I know is, they better have it great by 2021. Like you guys said fixing up Epcot and HollyWood Studios. But here is the timeline for their projects now:
Fantasyland-2012/2013
Art of Animation Resort- 2012
AVATAR Land-2015
Splitsville and other-2013/2014
So they will have 2015-2021 to do more projects, so I hope they get it all together!
I think they need to broadcast the 50th and bring back Julie Andrews like they opened to MK!
All I know is, it has to be bigger and better and the best than Diseyland's 50th!
Fantasyland-2012/2013
Art of Animation Resort- 2012
AVATAR Land-2015
Splitsville and other-2013/2014
So they will have 2015-2021 to do more projects, so I hope they get it all together!
I think they need to broadcast the 50th and bring back Julie Andrews like they opened to MK!
All I know is, it has to be bigger and better and the best than Diseyland's 50th!
Disneyfanman
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I really think it will all depend on how the new projects perform, including CARSLAND at Disneyland. If the new megaprojects do well, then we will see more of them, and quickly. If not, then it will be a long dry spell.
Kamikaze
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Actually, more than that, its the merchandise sales from these new areas. Thats what they will be looking at. Its too difficult for Disney to actually judge who is there just to ride X Y or Z. But if people are buying tons of Avatar or Carsland merch, that means that project was a success.
NoChesterHester
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If we look at it this way we realize how much is really going on:
2012: Art of Animation Resort
2012: Dumbo
2012: Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom
2012: Storybook Circus Land
2012: Barnstormer Retheme
2012: Pete's Sideshow (M & G)
2012: Little Mermaid
2012: Beauty and the Beast Realm
2012: Gaston's Tavern
2012: Be Our Guest Restaurant
2012: Enchanted Tales with Belle
2013: 7 Dwarfs Mine Train
2013: Princess Fairytale Hall
????: Peter Pan Next Gen
2015: Avatar Expansion
That doesn't list GF DVC and a bunch of minor projects. I'm positive I'm missing some as well.
RSoxNo1
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Also, Test Track and Big Thunder Mountain refurbishments.
BUT WHEN IS THE NEXT E TICKET ATTRACTION?!?
NoChesterHester
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If our insiders are right add a major refurb of Test Track and the BTMRR refurb as well.
That is a ton of construction and updates.
_Scar
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Not really. Most of that can be grouped with FLE, and the next E-ticket is in 4 more years. Nothing that we know of is coming to DHS and more importantly Epcot. Epcot is getting/has gotten so little.
NoChesterHester
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Oh yeah... all can be grouped. Doesn't matter it is a major expansion... We have nothing to complain about.
COProgressFan
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While Avatarland and the FL expansion are huge projects, there is still a big need to keep small projects going. There are some major maintenance/infrastructure issues that the resort is facing at 40 years...can you imagine if they did nothing until 50 years? Or all the attractions that today are outdated (Great Movie Ride, Carousel of Progress, Ellen's Energy Adventure, etc.) don't get addressed? Or the old parades, fireworks and shows?
Big, flashy additions to the park are more than welcome. And I know its much easier to market $500 million projects. But I certainly hope it's not at the expense of letting the rest of the parks deterioriate and age.
Big, flashy additions to the park are more than welcome. And I know its much easier to market $500 million projects. But I certainly hope it's not at the expense of letting the rest of the parks deterioriate and age.
I'd be happy with just an update for the Imagination ride, back to what it should've been! Something like this (scroll down to where it says "Beyond Infinite (Tomorrow's Imagination)": http://www.epcotlegacy.com/historical-expositions/2011/6/13/gather-store-re-combine-a-history-of-imagination-part-4.html.
RSoxNo1
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I agree, there are two substantial projects going on right now, and there are several refurbishment projects that should also happen over the next 5-10 years. These additions should help absorb some of the capacity issues that result from length refurbishments.
I was being sarcastic re: The next E-Ticket comment, having said that - Imagination is at or near the top of my list for refurbishment/overhaul need.
mergatroid
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Forget all that, what's happening in 2020 :shrug:. I'm already bored of what's not even opened yet and feel Disney have let us down with their lack of forward thinking :hammer: