Sarcasm or not it is the sad truth. If an attraction is making it's numbers it will stay alive.
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Figment632
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Does it really make it's numbers because I have heard otherwise?
jakeman
Well-Known Member
For the people who didn't get a Fastpass, yes. However, it would be drastically increased for people who were previously using the FP system.
People can choose to get a FP and wait 5 minutes later in the day or get in the standby line and wait 30-45 minutes.
There is no math to support that hourly ride capacity is increased or decrease with the implementation of Fastpass, therefore the average wait time throughout the day remains the same per person.
The standby line does bear the brunt of that wait since they are "standing by" for a place on the ride, but that is a choice those guest made.
On topic, I would like to see Buzz overhauled with the free range guns and I don't even know if it is possible but something to distiguish your laser from all of the others.
No clue. I have not been in the parks since December but even back then in the off season it had a line and every seat was filled. I hear rumblings about it's demise but until I see a wall go up they are just rumblings.
Figment632
New Member
:snore:
I'm not claiming that the capacity would decrease if anything I think it would increase without FP. It is an omnimover attraction where the line is constantly moving like SSE. They stop this constantly moving line to let FP people in. Do away with FP and just like SSE there would never be a wait over 20 minutes.
I'm not claiming that the capacity would decrease if anything I think it would increase without FP. It is an omnimover attraction where the line is constantly moving like SSE. They stop this constantly moving line to let FP people in. Do away with FP and just like SSE there would never be a wait over 20 minutes.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what your point is other than "standby lines would be shorter if there were no FP". This would be true at any attraction, not just omnimovers. Your average wait is being distributed between two groups: Standby with a higher wait time and FP with a lower.
I'm sorry, I can't buy the fan-based insinuation that omnimovers don't need FPs when simple math doesn't support it.
Numbers dictate that you are wrong unless there can be shown a decrease in hourly ride capacity.
Figment632
New Member
Why does SSE not have FP, why did HM have FP only for it to be removed? Why does Nemo not have a FP?
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I don't know. I'm not in charge of that.
That doesn't prove your point though. No more than me asking why Dumbo, Astro Orbitor, or any other non-omnimover doesn't have Fastpass proves mine.
Math is math and can't be changed, and right now with the information we have, you are wrong.
Demonstrate to me that hourly ride capacity is diminished and I will reconsider your stance that FP affects overall wait times.
Figment632
New Member
You are putting words in my mouth because I never said capacity would be reduced. But it is common sense if you take something that is constantly moving and stop it constantly the wait will increase. If it is allowed to flow normaly the wait would be reduced.
Also where are these numbers you speak of.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Apologies if I offended you, but I don't see how I put words in your mouth. I'm simply asking you to provide evidence that hourly ride capacity is dimished with a FP system in place.
That is the only way wait times per person would increase.
In my experience the only time they have stopped the omnimovers is when a guest needing assistance is boarding. I have never seen them stop it for FP return.
I don't need exact numbers for basic logic that if an attraction has an hourly capacity of X and an average wait of Y (based on # of people/hour) that implementing a system that doesn't change X would not affect Y.
So unless you can demonstrate that X has changed from pre-Fastpass days, your logic is flawed.
Figment632
New Member
You didn't offend me we are having an adult debate. I thnk you may have misunderstood me I wasn't talking about the vehicles being stopped but the constantly moving lines.
There are other factors to wait times other than capacity. Take TT or SM fir example. Two rides that constantly break down. When this happens both FP and SB back up. Don't get me wrong I like FP just not in this case.
Enchantâmes
Active Member
Where are you getting this because the last time I saw even a 15 minute wait for SGE was way back in 2005... Ever since its been a walk on. And if the ride is so popular then why is it I only hear crying children and complaining guests walking out of it? :ROFLOL:
Enchantâmes
Active Member
I'm sorry but when are people not putting words in your mouth? :shrug:
Figment632
New Member
When he made it seem like I was saying that the capacity would go down when I never said that.
Figment632
New Member
I didn't say there would be no line but it would move a lot quicker and the wait would be cut in half in my opinion.
Cindy'sBruno
Active Member
i went december 2008 and there was a 30 min wait on one of the days that i was there. 
didnt ride it though because my dd was only 3 months old. we did ride buzz though and there was no wait.
didnt ride it though because my dd was only 3 months old. we did ride buzz though and there was no wait.
Cindy'sBruno
Active Member
there was a 30 min wait for stitch is what i meant
jonnyc
Well-Known Member
I don't know about the 'maths' that Jakeman refers to, but I would rather have one queue constantly move than two that stop/start. It just seems that for this type of attraction Fastpass hinders what should be a steady walk through the queue of the attraction before you ride (barring breakdowns or guests that need the ride to stop to board).
You could then use your Fastpass for that allotted time at another attraction :shrug:.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
If you have an hourly ride capacity of 1000 and 1500 people are in line for the attraction it is going to take 1.5 hours to put everyone through this attraction, regardless of what system you use, be it FP or one single line.
So once again, unless it can be demonstrated that FP decreases hourly ride capacity the average wait per guest is the same.
I can appreciate your preference for having the attraction as a non-FP and that is your opinion. It is one I don't share though.
When math is put into quotation marks like it's some sort of befuddling wizard spell the conversation doesn't really seem worth it anymore.