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ABC/Lost/Disney Question..........
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Kamikaze
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WDW1974
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Leaving out the ethics (or lack there of) of many of the execs and Imagineers who work for Disney and bring you the 'magic' ... look at their films ... The Lion King featured a murder as its prominent plot point ... how many other animated classics feature very scary themes?
And American Idol?!?!
The fact Lost has complex characters who are flawed is a reason why it would make a great attraction/show ...
EpcotServo
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Me too ... I went to have drinks at a local hotel a few months ago ... heck, it may have been May now that I think of it ... anyway, they were having a convention and everyone was dressed ... I couldn't help but think I was with 500 teens out of which 490 were virgins(did I just say that?)
"You're a very UP person, aren't you?"
-Wash, Firefly
:lol:
It's more than "artistic", and can be more than "interesting". Anyone who's seen a Hayo Miyazaki film KNOWS that.
And ask anybody, I'm probably the least "generational" person around here. (Heck, look at it: I'm the the target age demographic for it, but I'm posting Anti-LOST messages, while my favorite show was already going on the year I was born, and THAT show is all about arcane references to Movies and TV shows years older. :lol: )
I'm not by any stretch of the imagination into only things that are "in" or whatever only this "generation" gets. I'm usually the one AGAINST those things.
It's an excuse. One of a Million. It's a stereotype based on shows from years ago that were aimed at kids. As much as people will deny it: ALL of their opinion "Oh, I just hate Anime" comes from what LITTLE they've seen. (Dragonball Z, Pokemon)
You can take the Anime "stereotype" and love it or hate it, but it by no means gives anybody any good reason to be turned off by Anime. It's just an excuse.
I COULD be using the sterotype of "Oh, they explain nothing" or "Oh, the show is so stupid" for the shows I don't like (Lost, Heroes) But I don't. Because I've watched alot of those shows, and have based my opinion on the quality of the programs, NOT by the medium.
People forget that Anime is just another word for ANIMATION. Everybody likes ANIMATION right? But for some reason turn the word into Anime, and it's something that's different somehow. I don't think you can be called a REAL fan of Animation if you for some reason decided to only look at a few small mediums in the field, and ignore the rest because it's "Not your thing".
It's a narrow-minded excuse for not opening your horizons to new and better things, and it's so common it's one of the things I really don't like about America today.
Phonedave
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In passing I did, thats why I said he most likely would not know who I am. He was (if I remember) 2 years younger than me and 2 years older than my brother. Now if you happen to see Doug Glanville (played center field for the Phillies) or maybe Lawrance Frank (head coach for the Nets) chances are pretty good they would remember me
(seems my High School class cranked out quite a few decent people)I watched a few first episodes, then tuned out, and then back in, and it just never really appealed to me.
Honesty not much on TV keeps me glued to my seat at all. I used to watch Prison Break, but then that sort of went all sideways. I like 24, but its an "if I happen to catch it" type show. The Sopranos may have been the last show on TV that I actualy made plans to watch. Maybe because it's local to me as well had something to do with it. (Another sort of name drop, my ex-brother-in-law used to bounce at the Bada-Bing in real life)
You know what it may be. Survivor made me hate any show dealing with deserted islands. When I first heard about it I though it was about survival, sort of like Survivorman, or Man vs. Wild. Not some convoluted game show, emotion fest, fake challenges, thing that it was.
-dave
Phonedave
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haveyoumetmark
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LOST is arguably the best show on television, I would love to see it somewhere in the parks. A walkthough or something would be sufficient, I'm not asking for a high budget, well thought out, fitting, concise attraction with a point(if they even make those anymore).
donniedisney
Member
I dont think you can compare The Twilight Zone and lost.
If lost is considered one of the best TV shows ever in 50 years, than maybe i'd want to see a ride.
but i also think a time traveling island is going to be a hard attraction to pull off
If lost is considered one of the best TV shows ever in 50 years, than maybe i'd want to see a ride.
but i also think a time traveling island is going to be a hard attraction to pull off
WDW1974
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It's just not my thing. That's like music. I hate opera ... can't stand country ... can barely tolerate much of what comes out today (Coldplay is decent ... Beyonce too) ... it's just taste. That simple.
And I'll be honest, if this were an Anime thread I wouldn't have even poked my nose into it.
Again, I'm not taking anything away from it at all (although those kiddies at the convention would have NOT been popular at my high school!) ... but we all have different tastes. I'm not saying it's crap or not worthy of attention. But just like friends of mine who can't stand Disney theme parks, I respect it.
We all have different things we're in to.
That's it!
WDW1974
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In passing I did, thats why I said he most likely would not know who I am. He was (if I remember) 2 years younger than me and 2 years older than my brother. Now if you happen to see Doug Glanville (played center field for the Phillies) or maybe Lawrance Frank (head coach for the Nets) chances are pretty good they would remember me
Interesting. I've also met one of the two other famous folks (other than you, of course!) from your HS!
So ... did you feel Damon was destined for big things back then?
Oh, and out of sheer curiosity, but did you go to a (for lack of a better term) 'monied' high school?
On that, we agree.
Can't stand that show ... or the whole genre it spawned.
Oh gotta go and find out what's happening with the Kardashians!
Since1976
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I think Disney is waiting to see how the series pans out before they commit to an attraction.
I must admit that ever since Season 1, I could see how a creepy funhouse-type attraction could be made out of the show. Imagine an EMV ride, or a river raft ride through the island. Toss in a smoke monster, polar bears, attacking hostiles, eerie radio transmissions ("iteration 3-5-3-6-4-3-6-7") creepy whispers, random apparitions, secret Dharma stations, thunder and lightning, rain, a Splash Mountain-esque plunge, and you've got yourself a good, scary ride -- a Tower of Terror without the tower. [A sidenote: As popular as ToT is, has anyone ever noticed how little sense the multiple drops and open view of the park make in context of the ride's storyline?]
The arguments against a ride -- that the show's classic status remains to be seen, that people will forget about the show a year after it's over -- just do not hold. What matters most is the quality of the ride *itself*. The great attractions take on a life of their own. The concept of LOST is strong enough to inspire an attraction that works whether or not you've seen or enjoyed the show. It might even be predicted that the show would become even *more* popular because of a ride.
I think a ride would work best as a side storyline, rather than as a rehash of the show (which would be quite confusing). We, the guests, could be survivors of a shipwreck or other disaster, marooned on the island. I think animatronic versions of Jack, Sawyer and co. would just be cheesy -- better to focus on the island itself rather than the characters on the show.
That said, I think Disney is wise to wait to see how the series ends, but if it indeed proves itself a winner of a payoff, they should jump on making an attraction while the iron is hot.
I must admit that ever since Season 1, I could see how a creepy funhouse-type attraction could be made out of the show. Imagine an EMV ride, or a river raft ride through the island. Toss in a smoke monster, polar bears, attacking hostiles, eerie radio transmissions ("iteration 3-5-3-6-4-3-6-7") creepy whispers, random apparitions, secret Dharma stations, thunder and lightning, rain, a Splash Mountain-esque plunge, and you've got yourself a good, scary ride -- a Tower of Terror without the tower. [A sidenote: As popular as ToT is, has anyone ever noticed how little sense the multiple drops and open view of the park make in context of the ride's storyline?]
The arguments against a ride -- that the show's classic status remains to be seen, that people will forget about the show a year after it's over -- just do not hold. What matters most is the quality of the ride *itself*. The great attractions take on a life of their own. The concept of LOST is strong enough to inspire an attraction that works whether or not you've seen or enjoyed the show. It might even be predicted that the show would become even *more* popular because of a ride.
I think a ride would work best as a side storyline, rather than as a rehash of the show (which would be quite confusing). We, the guests, could be survivors of a shipwreck or other disaster, marooned on the island. I think animatronic versions of Jack, Sawyer and co. would just be cheesy -- better to focus on the island itself rather than the characters on the show.
That said, I think Disney is wise to wait to see how the series ends, but if it indeed proves itself a winner of a payoff, they should jump on making an attraction while the iron is hot.
EpcotServo
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I know, I know. I was posting towards an general attitude not you in particular.
:wave:
It's just when it comes to popular American Television I get all kinds of riled up.
:dazzle:
Phonedave
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I didn't know him THAT well, though I seem to remember him from the theater group. As I said, he was younger than me.
Monied HS, not hardly. Teaneck NJ Public School system all the way. Teaneck is in Bergen Country NJ which is one of the more expensive places to live, but we were hardly a monied town, just property taxes and home prices through the roof. Teaneck did have a history of being a very diverse community, both it ethnic and social aspects. Teaneck was the first school system in the country to bus students for the purposes of intergration (I got bussed 2 miles across town to kindergarden - I still remmber that) It is also a pretty large school for a school that was not a regional school (my graduating class was something like 425) so you are bound to have some decent people in a class that size.
There are a lot more "famous" people from Teaneck than those three (and myself
) - but these I did not really know well.Chris Brancato - wrote X-Files among other things
Dan Fesman - writer/producer Wonderfalls and LAX
Leonard Maltin - You should know this one
Pheobe Snow - Blues singer (Actualy she was married to my ex-wifes fathers cousin for a while - I am feeling six degrees of seperation here)
David Stern - Commissioner of the NBA
And although he did not go to Teanck HS, Bob McGrath's (Bob from Sesame Street) daugher did. He used to come to a lot of our theater rehersals (his daughter was in a lot of them) and hang out. We had a couple cast parties at his house.
-dave
On that, we agree.
Can't stand that show ... or the whole genre it spawned.
Oh gotta go and find out what's happening with the Kardashians!
Be sure to catch TMZ too.
-dave
wickedsoccer22
Active Member
Speaking of Lost....wow....tonight's episode was, in my opinion, one of the best ever.
Definitely agree!! The writers are genius's.
Well.... according to TIME Magazine...
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1651341,00.html
and
TV.com
http://www.tv.com/shows/top-shows/all.html
The show has a lot more too it then a time-traveling island. Especially since that just started happening in the Season 4 finale..
EpcotServo
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So it only took 4 Seasons to come up with a Time-Traveling Island.
:dazzle: :brick:
Phonedave
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Admittedly I don't watch LOST all that much, so I don't know what extent time travel and aliens play in the storyline. However the big problem I have with introducing time travel, aliens, and the super natural into shows is they just become a deux ex machina and open the door for sloppy writing. I am not saying that HAS happend in LOST, but the door is open, lets see if anybody walks through.
-dave
Captain Hank
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No aliens in LOST...yet at least (though we don't really know what the smoke monster is yet...).
Lee
Adventurer
Not the case with LOST...not at all.
This thing is a giant, finely crafted jigsaw puzzle and the pieces are just starting to fall into place. Genius.
Wilt Dasney
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Based on the current season, I'd say a ride would need two tracks, Now and Later. The same guests would ride on both tracks concurrently, but not bump into each other. The people on the Now track would actually keep switching tracks mid-ride, jumping between many versions of the ride roughly categorized as Then, Now and Later (while never bumping into the versions of themselves on the separate Later track, which is running through another part of the building entirely). In addition, one guest would have to agree to die before boarding the Later track, but he'd still be alive to enjoy the Now track. At the end of the ride, the two tracks presumably would merge into one seamless track, but who the hell really knows for sure? :shrug:
(That's not a criticism, by the way. I enjoy the show, but if you haven't stopped to wonder "when are we?" at least once this season, I salute you.) :hammer:
(That's not a criticism, by the way. I enjoy the show, but if you haven't stopped to wonder "when are we?" at least once this season, I salute you.) :hammer: