A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[MisterPenguin]

The Ticket Books offered a discount on the face value of all of the tickets in the book. The whole reason there is a dollar amount listed on the tickets is because that is the cash cost to ride those attractions.

So, then... the original use of "E-Ticket" meant "more expensive."

Is that sense still used internally? Not in the sense that it's really good or special, but just costly?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, then... the original use of "E-Ticket" meant "more expensive."

Is that sense still used internally? Not in the sense that it's really good or special, but just costly?

They are not mutually exclusive. Multiple metrics is not some ridiculous concept. The E-Tickets prior to 1982 were expensive but also special. Those characteristics still remain.

 

[Biff215]

So, then... the original use of "E-Ticket" meant "more expensive."

Is that sense still used internally? Not in the sense that it's really good or special, but just costly?

More expensive to ride due to demand, not necessarily because it cost more to build. "E" ticket to me today means more immersive and possibly more thrilling, but one might conclude that internally they do consider the size of a budget an attraction might have.

 

[MrPromey]

Just to clarify, since the post you quoted was a follow up to my original comment. I agree that the ticket you are purchasing should be based on what you can enjoy at the time you plan to use the ticket. Another poster mentioned that they were okay with the increases b/c UO was building and would have great stuff in the future.
My response was Both are building so that shouldn't be the measure that price increases are judged. Both have opened new/refurbished stuff this year and I am not trying to rank or put any weighting on personal opinions of that new stuff's subjective worth. Just that both have updated. So lack of news story for UO vs. the visceral reaction Dis gets for any price changes seemed strange.

I understand but I'm pretty sure they were referring to the fact that Universal has been building and opening new stuff in addition to replacing old stuff.

Disney has been opening refurbished existing attractions and opening smaller attractions over the graves of closed down E-Tickets in the last decade along with adding capacity to existing attractions in a way normal guests won't even notice.

TSMM with 33% more capacity isn't something I think they'll be adding to their vacation DVDs as a feature anytime soon.

The comparison just isn't even close to equal between the two these days. Maybe it will be after Avatar opens and they start annoucning opening dates for some of this other stuff but until then, I just don't see it.

 

[Daveeeeed]

More expensive to ride due to demand, not necessarily because it cost more to build. "E" ticket to me today means more immersive and possibly more thrilling, but one might conclude that internally they do consider the size of a budget an attraction might have.

Exactly. The Country Bear Jamboree was an e-ticket, because of the low capacity so it equates to demand. Today it is used as a measurement of quality. The Haunted Mansion is an e-ticket, sdmt is a d-ticket, tmaoWTP is a c-ticket, dumbo is a b ticket, and street cars and lavish meet and greets like Enchanted Tales with Belle are a-tickets.

 

[Cesar R M]

Same with Mexico in EPCOT. Amazing facade for a C-ticket ride.

Except the facade is not for just a single ride.
its for an entire pavilion.
including restaurant, show, stores and the ride.

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

So, we are at 99 pages and there is very little new with this thread. My computer was in the "electronic hospital" for a while but is now fixed. I can post again....I have been following at work where security does not allow me to log in but....following. Hubby still thinks GotG is a great idea so I dug out our photos of the area and now he agrees the theme doesn't fit. However, he doesn't care about the park soon to be known as who knows what. He is waiting for Star Wars.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yet if TDO had ALLOWED WDI to build the ride shown in the early pitch (I think Martin has a copy of the 3D Ride Thru video) Little Mermaid would have been an E-ticket for the ages and the attraction the movie deserved.

Honestly, all the FL dark rides should be upgraded to E-Tickets at this point. Starting to get really tired of seeing great IPs with not so great rides. Are they passable? Yes, but for an hour wait time...definitely not!

 

[ford91exploder]

They are not mutually exclusive. Multiple metrics is not some ridiculous concept. The E-Tickets prior to 1982 were expensive but also special. Those characteristics still remain.

Also recall the 'Enchanted Tiki Room' at DL was at one time an E-ticket, Yes, it was because at the time it was indeed groundbreaking and it certainly had the immersiveness down to a science, Is it an E-ticket today, No Ride tech has moved on but its still a solid C-ticket 50 years later which is impressive when you think about it.

 

[ford91exploder]

So, we are at 99 pages and there is very little new with this thread. My computer was in the "electronic hospital" for a while but is now fixed. I can post again....I have been following at work where security does not allow me to log in but....following. Hubby still thinks GotG is a great idea so I dug out our photos of the area and now he agrees the theme doesn't fit. However, he doesn't care about the park soon to be known as who knows what. He is waiting for Star Wars.

Wait long your hubby will... (in best Yoda voice)

 

[ford91exploder]

I do have to say that as far as this year goes, the parks are pretty much even in terms of investment. Disney's additions are smaller but numerous, while Universal's are larger but few in number. This makes sense considering where each resort stands right now.

Uni is coming off of a major expansion, so they're trying to make their new customers come back for more with a flashy follow-up ride to solidify their multi-day destination status, and Disney is in the middle of major expansions, so they're improving infrastructure and spreading out capacity for the crowds to come.

Granted, that's way oversimplifying things, but at the end of the day, the resorts don't always share the exact same day to day goals, so it's not really fair to judge them as they are. Quality is one thing, but you can't judge scope unless it's a 1/1 match (I.E. Diagon Alley vs. Pandora).

Disney is spending so little they cannot even properly maintain what they have already much less add anything.

 

[ford91exploder]

Sadly you are correct my DSIL is in that category it's more about 'Counting Coup' on Facebook than actually ENJOYING the Disney experience as most of us did long ago, And still do today but the magic is fading fast. Many are not going to WDW because they like it but because all their FRIENDS took their kids and they have to keep up.

 

[Katie G]

So, last year, they raised the price of DHS a lot and closed a bunch of stuff. So I am supposed to pay more now for a lesser park and just be thrilled about it because people in the future can get new stuff.

And @Katie G, you really don't see why people complain when Disney raises their prices and Universal doesn't get the same reaction? You keep saying quality is opinion and subjective.Disney is building extra tracks and thematic layovers for existing attractions and Universal is pumping out E Ticket after E Ticket. Are you really comparing Kong with TSMM's third track, or is it Soarin's third theater? Maybe a layover of a 27 year old ride system. So exactly what is it that Disney is opening that justifies the massive price increase since 2010? A kiddie coaster, a universally panned dark ride, and a retheme of a 27 year old boat ride? And shall we list what we have lost in that time?

As I said before, you are clearly missing my point. You want me to provide some sort of ranking system to the park investment at each resort and I am NOT trying to do that at all. It boils down to both are investing in different ways, but investment is there. Yet when one raises prices, nothing is even reported, and the other raises prices and every media type (paper, radio, tv, social) has an article or comment about it. Take out the emotion and ranking... its media bias.

Second, your position seems to be that product drives price. And that could be true from a justification on continued value on the price paid for the item. BUT that is not a complete business minded approach. A quick google search could enlighten you on the multitude of pricing strategies, which do not revolve solely around product changes. There is a lot to be said for demand based pricing, which is close to what Disney does in terms of tickets and resort rates. There is a threshold of people who can enjoy something in a given time period, let's say 1 day, and you charge based on what people are willing to pay for that experience. Not a typical day at Disney, but if more people what to experience it in a given day than they have a capacity for, then some people are willing to pay more to be in the group of people to get in for that specific day. And then there are those, like you, who don't find it worth the added price and will choose not to go. That's economics my friend.

There are many examples where companies take away something to "take prices up" and they happen where price changes are heavily noticed because people purchase those items on a regular basis and know what they pay. Take peanut butter for example... ever notice that little divot on the bottom of the jar? That's because the company wanted to take the price up, but couldn't risk losing customers, so they gave the customers less in a sneaky way (less peanut butter per jar) with packaging changes. The customer sees the price is the same and the jar they buy looks the same except for that little divot on the bottom taking away an ounce. So per ounce the customer pays more and the company makes more.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Also recall the 'Enchanted Tiki Room' at DL was at one time an E-ticket, Yes, it was because at the time it was indeed groundbreaking and it certainly had the immersiveness down to a science, Is it an E-ticket today, No Ride tech has moved on but its still a solid C-ticket 50 years later which is impressive when you think about it.

And there, in a nutshell, is my ENTIRE issue with the ranking system. If it was an E then, it should be an E now, regardless of age. The goal posts should NOT be moved. It is still an immersive attraction.

 

[Daveeeeed]

And there, in a nutshell, is my ENTIRE issue with the ranking system. If it was an E then, it should be an E now, regardless of age. The goal posts should NOT be moved. It is still an immersive attraction.

Not really. It's also about scale, not only quality. If want to compare Expedition Everest with the Tiki Room go ahead then.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Not really. It's also about scale, not only quality. If want to compare Expedition Everest with the Tiki Room go ahead then.

So you're of the mind that it has to be a thrilling ride as well? So obviously you don't consider IASW an "E" either, though most people seem to still place it there. And the Tiki building is pretty grand in scale, don't you think?

 

[Daveeeeed]

So you're of the mind that it has to be a thrilling ride as well? So obviously you don't consider IASW an "E" either, though most people seem to still place it there. And the Tiki building is pretty grand in scale, don't you think?

When did I say thrilling? I said Scale. You're seriously joking when you say the tiki room is an e. Based on what an eticket is defined by today it is not at all. Tiki room is what a B or C? Haunted Mansion is an E, Pirates is an E, Splash is an e (which is really not a thrill ride), Jungle Cruise is an E, Kilimanjaro Safaris is an E, Spaceship Earth is an E, may I go on???? It just so happens that there are more eticket thrill like like Dinasaur and Tower of Terror. It has nothing to do with thrill, again scale and quality. IASW technically an e, but it doesn't have the immersion of the likes of pirates. So please tell me how a room with a few birds meets up to an epic ride through a mansion? I like the tiki room, but there's not way you can compare it to those rides on terms of scale and quality, thus the eticket rating. You can enjoy it just as much if not more: for instance I love Peter Pan, but it is still a C-ticket. I'm not a huge fan of Soarin', but it is still an eticket.

 

[azox]

Bad E Ticket=Antarctica: Empire of the Penguins.

I agree that was bad. The tech was there for a good ride system, but the story was so bad and poorly executed. The ending though is really well done. They did a great job with the Penguin encounter.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Also recall the 'Enchanted Tiki Room' at DL was at one time an E-ticket, Yes, it was because at the time it was indeed groundbreaking and it certainly had the immersiveness down to a science, Is it an E-ticket today, No Ride tech has moved on but its still a solid C-ticket 50 years later which is impressive when you think about it.

The Enchanted Tiki Room opened outside of ticket system, costing more than an E Ticket. It also is still more than a C.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

When did I say thrilling? I said Scale. You're seriously joking when you say the tiki room is an e. Based on what an eticket is defined by today it is not at all. Tiki room is what a B or C? Haunted Mansion is an E, Pirates is an E, Splash is an e (which is really not a thrill ride), Jungle Cruise is an E, Kilimanjaro Safaris is an E, Spaceship Earth is an E, may I go on???? It just so happens that there are more eticket thrill like like Dinasaur and Tower of Terror. It has nothing to do with thrill, again scale and quality. IASW technically an e, but it doesn't have the immersion of the likes of pirates. So please tell me how a room with a few birds meets up to an epic ride through a mansion? I like the tiki room, but there's not way you can compare it to those rides on terms of scale and quality, thus the eticket rating. You can enjoy it just as much if not more: for instance I love Peter Pan, but it is still a C-ticket. I'm not a huge fan of Soarin', but it is still an eticket.

I didn't say it was an "E". Walt did. So we're just throwing in the trash what he called it now because you don't feel it is? So now we're cherry picking what we want to keep from Walt, and what we don't?