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Mike S

Well-Known Member
Has Universal unintentially leaked the layout of Nintendo at USF with a siteplan of Beijing?
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When flipped horizontally one of these park layouts looks exactly like USF when we still had Disaster, except for KidZone.
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As always this comes from Orlando United. A guy known as Mr. EPCOT with help from AliciaStella.
 
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HauntedMansionFLA

Well-Known Member
Has Universal unintentially leaked the layout of Nintendo at USF with a siteplan of Beijing?
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When flipped horizontally one of these park layouts looks exactly like USF when we still had Disaster, except for KidZone.
bejing-flipped-studios.jpg

As always this comes from Orlando United. A guy known as Mr. EPCOT.
ET phone home?
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
This just in: Walt Disney Company is basically taking over EuroDisney SCA (the parent company of Disneyland Paris) and offering two euros per share in the form of Walt Disney Company shares.. They will go from 76.7% to 85.7% of all shares, buying out Kingdom Holdings (the investment company of Prince Al-Waleed) who will go from owning 10% to 1% of EuroDisney SCA.

The outstanding shares owned by the small shareholders will be the subject of a cash tender offer of 2 euros per share. End result of this? Prince Al-Walleed will now directly own a portion of the Walt Disney Company and Disney will do a 1.5 billion euro recapitalizion of the resort.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSFWN1FV01F

@ParentsOf4 - very interested to hear your thoughts on this.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Has Universal unintentially leaked the layout of Nintendo at USF with a siteplan of Beijing?
upload_2017-2-10_5-41-40-png.3625

When flipped horizontally one of these park layouts looks exactly like USF when we still had Disaster, except for KidZone.
bejing-flipped-studios.jpg

As always this comes from Orlando United. A guy known as Mr. EPCOT with help from AliciaStella.
Another look.
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This leaves the bottom right building for DK if this is indeed the layout.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Has Universal unintentially leaked the layout of Nintendo at USF with a siteplan of Beijing?
upload_2017-2-10_5-41-40-png.3625

When flipped horizontally one of these park layouts looks exactly like USF when we still had Disaster, except for KidZone.
bejing-flipped-studios.jpg

As always this comes from Orlando United. A guy known as Mr. EPCOT with help from AliciaStella.

That's confusing for a whole host of reasons. Wasn't animal actors supposed to get cut?

I severely hope that's just a placeholder for 'park goes here'. My expectations for Beijing can't bottom out any lower.
 

RandySavage

Well-Known Member
^It's almost certainly a placeholder for Beijing. (On early resort site plans for Shanghai, they threw in the DLP layout as the park placeholder). Beijing's layout will be nothing like that.

That being said, it likely represents some past plan that has been drawn up for USF that they copy & pasted as placeholder, so the area in question could represent Nintendo or a more generic 'future expansion,' pre-dating Nintendo planning.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
That's confusing for a whole host of reasons. Wasn't animal actors supposed to get cut?

I severely hope that's just a placeholder for 'park goes here'. My expectations for Beijing can't bottom out any lower.
Universal Studios Beijing is the other park to the east in the larger image (which is only visible to registered Orlando United users). This is a future second gate, which does look similar to a mirrored copy and paste of Universal Studios Florida.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
That's confusing for a whole host of reasons. Wasn't animal actors supposed to get cut?
The thing labeled "Animal Show" could always be a mislabeled entrance building for Nintendo if this is the layout. That pic also labels E.T. but the second one labels it as Yoshi due to the building protrusions matching the art of the mountain. They were both done by the same person.
I severely hope that's just a placeholder for 'park goes here'. My expectations for Beijing can't bottom out any lower.
I think it is a placeholder because the other park in that pic is the one that more closely matches this of what is supposed to be USB.
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It then makes you wonder why they would use USF with Nintendo as a second park placeholder.

Maybe they thought we wouldn't notice ;)
^It's almost certainly a placeholder for Beijing. (On early resort site plans for Shanghai, they threw in the DLP layout as the park placeholder). Beijing's layout will be nothing like that.

That being said, it likely represents some past plan that has been drawn up for USF that they copy & pasted as placeholder, so the area in question could represent Nintendo or a more generic 'future expansion,' pre-dating Nintendo planning.
It does seem to match almost too perfectly though.
 

BrianLo

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Another look.
Enhance.jpg

This leaves the bottom right building for DK if this is indeed the layout.

I wonder if the layout is slightly changed fro USJ or the facades have been misattributed. Bowser's castle has the smallest show building, but has been reported to contain the Mario cart mega-E.

^It's almost certainly a placeholder for Beijing. (On early resort site plans for Shanghai, they threw in the DLP layout as the park placeholder). Beijing's layout will be nothing like that.

That being said, it likely represents some past plan that has been drawn up for USF that they copy & pasted as placeholder, so the area in question could represent Nintendo or a more generic 'future expansion,' pre-dating Nintendo planning.

Universal Studios Beijing is the other park to the east in the larger image (which is only visible to registered Orlando United users). This is a future second gate, which does look similar to a mirrored copy and paste of Universal Studios Florida.

Ah, thank you all! Good call Lazyboy, I wasn't actually seeing the larger image. Phew!
 

RandySavage

Well-Known Member
Speaking of Chinese parks, maybe Lazyboy and BrianLo who've been to Shanghai can opine on the park's two apparent design misfires after 7 months of operations.

1. DisneyTown: It looks to be a ghost town night & day - making me wonder how the other On-Property shopping district is doing.

2. Voyage of the Crystal Grotto: The central, most visible Fantasyland attraction appears to have lowest average wait times among locals (could be high capacity) and weakest reviews among Westerners. I saw an interesting suggestion online that they change out the finale for the Animatronic dragon cavern (a la Paris), possibly add more story narration?
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
I wonder if the layout is slightly changed fro USJ or the facades have been misattributed. Bowser's castle has the smallest show building, but has been reported to contain the Mario cart mega-E.
Who knows. From the way it looks in the concept art it's starting to make sense if it's the long and skinny building. Maybe Mario Kart is in Peach's Castle which would make a little more sense.
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Ah, thank you all! Good call Lazyboy, I wasn't actually seeing the larger image. Phew!
Can you see it now?
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Mike S

Well-Known Member
Apparently it's an old master plan of USF. Oh well. I still think Nintendo could end up looking similar due to the fact it'll have 3 major rides.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Speaking of Chinese parks, maybe Lazyboy and BrianLo who've been to Shanghai can opine on the park's two apparent design misfires after 7 months of operations.

1. DisneyTown: It looks to be a ghost town night & day - making me wonder how the other On-Property shopping district is doing.

2. Voyage of the Crystal Grotto: The central, most visible Fantasyland attraction appears to have lowest average wait times among locals (could be high capacity) and weakest reviews among Westerners. I saw an interesting suggestion online that they change out the finale for the Animatronic dragon cavern (a la Paris), possibly add more story narration?

Are you talking about the G-Park (I think that's what it is called, just East of the subway), or the huge outlet to the SE of property?

The former wasn't quite open yet, the second is essentially not on property. It's very inaccessible and is not organically connected to wishing star park or the subway. I imagine both are doing significantly worse, but probably don't command the same rent.

I should get around to sharing some photos of the Eastern side of the property. It is very oddball and you realize where the Disney influence fades and the government is temporarily just doing whatever they please until a second park comes along. There was a large floral/botanical park and the second gate is a park space you can freely enter, along with a 5CNY golf cart tour of it, which I did.

I think disneytown is a misfire because it's a little bit too much too soon. There simply isn't the resort rooms to support such a large amount of retail and dining. This is partially the fault of neither resort being that close to it and a general misunderstanding of its purpose. I hear Starbucks and the Disney store are quite successful, but they are the most prominent and what you walk by towards the gate. The patrons don't really seem to grasp the concept, especially those complaining about the park food prices. With a direct gate between SDL and the back of Disney town, it's even more accessible than DLR's layout where you contend with all the current security layout. The are lots of cheaper options like a Food Republic. It's so easy to walk out, get lunch and easily access the park again.


Voyage is fine, but that's about it. I think from a potential side it's a big let down. It certainly isn't the headliner that we originally expected. I think the vignettes are fine, some are clearly better than others. The ride suffers from immature foliage (which is true of lots of SDL). An AA Dragon finale would certainly be a big improvement and give the ride a bit more of a purpose. Right now it's kind of just 'cute and acceptable'. I don't by any means hate it and think it needs to be ripped out, but a missed opportunity.

I still think my biggest complaints are the hub, which is pretty atrocious, the too often prominent empty spaces, and the idiocy that was choosing to build a two theatre Soarin'. Foliage will eventually grow in, the biggest loser is Roaring Rapids from that perspective.
 

wdwfan4ver

Well-Known Member
This just in: Walt Disney Company is basically taking over EuroDisney SCA (the parent company of Disneyland Paris) and offering two euros per share in the form of Walt Disney Company shares.. They will go from 76.7% to 85.7% of all shares, buying out Kingdom Holdings (the investment company of Prince Al-Waleed) who will go from owning 10% to 1% of EuroDisney SCA.

The outstanding shares owned by the small shareholders will be the subject of a cash tender offer of 2 euros per share. End result of this? Prince Al-Walleed will now directly own a portion of the Walt Disney Company and Disney will do a 1.5 billion euro recapitalizion of the resort.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSFWN1FV01F
I am not too thrilled at all. I guess that means Disney is going invest less money into Epcot.:(:(:(:(

From my view, Disneyland Paris is a money pit and its only going to lose even more money. One of the problems over there is I don't think France is done with their Terror problems. Even without the Terror problem, that park is going lose a lot of money. Those two parks in the kind of shape that I don't think adding a Marvel Land, Frozen Land, a Star Wars Land is going take that park out of the red.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
This just in: Walt Disney Company is basically taking over EuroDisney SCA (the parent company of Disneyland Paris) and offering two euros per share in the form of Walt Disney Company shares.. They will go from 76.7% to 85.7% of all shares, buying out Kingdom Holdings (the investment company of Prince Al-Waleed) who will go from owning 10% to 1% of EuroDisney SCA.

The outstanding shares owned by the small shareholders will be the subject of a cash tender offer of 2 euros per share. End result of this? Prince Al-Walleed will now directly own a portion of the Walt Disney Company and Disney will do a 1.5 billion euro recapitalizion of the resort.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSFWN1FV01F

As if the TWDC is not under ENOUGH revenue pressure,

Holy 1996 Redux Batman DLP will suck all the funds away from WDW just like back in 1996 as in why does WDW Tomorrowland look half finished cuz it is the funds to finish it and other things in the late 90's were diverted to save DLP, Iger really seems to enjoy the game of 'catch a falling knife'. and being a Global company is more important to Iger's ego than being a PROFITABLE company.

$DIS should have sold DLP to Kingdom Holdings and established a OLC like arrangement so the losses were somebody ELSE's problem.
 

BrianLo

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I am not too thrilled at all. I guess that means Disney is going invest less money into Epcot.:(:(:(:(

From my view, Disneyland Paris is a money pit and its only going to lose even more money. One of the problems over there is I don't think France is done with their Terror problems. Even without the Terror problem, that park is going lose a lot of money. Those two parks in the kind of shape that I don't think adding a Marvel Land, Frozen Land, a Star Wars Land is going take that park out of the red.

The two should (in theory) be mutually exclusive. Even from a financial standpoint Disney separates their international P&R from domestic. This is a company that is dumping buckets and buckets of money on stock buy backs, they are by no means hardup on cash. Note that's the theory at least...

In theory without the massive debt Paris will easily shift back to the black. There was a clear master plan here (perhaps even slightly malicious). The parks were run into the ground, a massive investment occurred in refurbishment wrapping up the huge first wave soon and Disney is swinging in just before the 25th with recapilization. The timing makes sense and there have always been whispers that running things into the ground was partially a concerted effort for Disney to take over.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I am not too thrilled at all. I guess that means Disney is going invest less money into Epcot.:(:(:(:(

From my view, Disneyland Paris is a money pit and its only going to lose even more money. One of the problems over there is I don't think France is done with their Terror problems. Even without the Terror problem, that park is going lose a lot of money. Those two parks in the kind of shape that I don't think adding a Marvel Land, Frozen Land, a Star Wars Land is going take that park out of the red.
Disneyland Paris is a money pit because of its debt. That debt was bought by Disney a few years ago. Wholly owning Euro Disney SCA makes it far easier for the albatross to finally go away.
 

SorcererMC

Well-Known Member
I am not too thrilled at all. I guess that means Disney is going invest less money into Epcot.:(:(:(:(

From my view, Disneyland Paris is a money pit and its only going to lose even more money. One of the problems over there is I don't think France is done with their Terror problems. Even without the Terror problem, that park is going lose a lot of money. Those two parks in the kind of shape that I don't think adding a Marvel Land, Frozen Land, a Star Wars Land is going take that park out of the red.

Money pit is right. Euro Disney SCA 2016 Reference Document states:

The Group has regularly incurred losses and is not certain to generate profits in the near future.
The Group’s net loss for Fiscal Year 2016 amounted to €858 million, compared to a net loss of €102 million and
€114 million in Fiscal Years 2015 and 2014, respectively​
 

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