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Travel Junkie

Travel Junkie

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rael ramone said:
In that case they are turning away quality employees that have 'already been paid for' via the budget...
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Jim Miller who literally wrote the book on ESPN has said that if these people get other jobs before their contract is up, ESPN does not have to pay them the remainder of their contract. So if Ed Werder for example gets another job in two months ESPN doesn't have to pay the balance of the contract. They are banking on these people getting other jobs and can stop paying them.

The money saved is pretty small considering ESPN recently spent 125 million for a new Sports Center studio.
 
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rushtest4echo

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Virtual Insanity said:
Jim Miller who literally wrote the book on ESPN has said that if these people get other jobs before their contract is up, ESPN does not have to pay them the remainder of their contract. So if Ed Werder for example gets another job in two months ESPN doesn't have to pay the balance of the contract. They are banking on these people getting other jobs and can stop paying them.

The money saved is pretty small considering ESPN recently spent 125 million for a new Sports Center studio.
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This, although as you said- employee compensation isn't really going to affect ESPN's bottom line. I know this sounds crazy since there's a large and loyal fan contingent that listens to these people but I think many of these personalities are being let go for reasons other than money.

Remember when ESPN was about two things: journalism and reporting sports events throughout the day? Then again, remember when most media outlets were like that? Opinion journalism and hot takes have destroyed these industries. But I guess people would rather listen to Mike and Mike whine about Golic's kid or hear Jim Rome act gansta when talking about Richard Sherman than to hear what's actually happening in the world of sports.
 
rael ramone

rael ramone

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Virtual Insanity said:
Jim Miller who literally wrote the book on ESPN has said that if these people get other jobs before their contract is up, ESPN does not have to pay them the remainder of their contract. So if Ed Werder for example gets another job in two months ESPN doesn't have to pay the balance of the contract. They are banking on these people getting other jobs and can stop paying them.

The money saved is pretty small considering ESPN recently spent 125 million for a new Sports Center studio.
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Is it *any* job, or just a job in the industry (sports media/journalism)? And is ESPN on the hook for the difference if their job is for less pay?

That said, I'm sure they want them all to go away, get jobs that get $DIS off the financial hook, and *show their real employers (the Street) how tough they are for the bottom line*.

Another article I saw somewhere said that some have been laid off but haven't officially come forward...

And another article where they interviewed Ed Werder, Ed said something to the effect that 'how are they going to do NFL Matchup w/o Merrill Hoge & Ron Jaworski'? I don't believe either Merrill or Jaws have been confirmed as being laid off, but if they have, radio silence suggests the possibility that they aren't going to look for new work and just collect Mouse Money until the contract is up - I wonder how many of these people are doing this.... While some are lifers in journalism, some are retired players or coaches might just decide to retire on the Mouses dime...
 
Sonconato

Sonconato

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rael ramone said:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/02/espn-layoffs-ed-werder-state-sports-journalism

Interesting bit from this article...

Ed Werder *had two years left on his contract*. Others had significant time left on their deals. Yet they are being paid not to work.

That's a way to show The Street you're serious about maintaining The Margin... Get rid of quality people and don't let the fact that you still have to pay them get in the way...
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Good article, thanks for posting it.
 
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rushtest4echo

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https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...rvel-and-more-coming-to-hong-kong-disneyland/

It looks like the HKDL expansions (that OP said were never on the table to begin with, and then said they'd never be approved, and then said they'd be scaled back, and then said they'd be upgraded) is really happening. Looks like the full assortment of stuff is being built too. Hopefully by 2023, HKDL will stand up to the other castle parks, finally! We thoroughly enjoyed our visits to HKDL, but it certainly could have used a few more attractions. Over the next decade, it looks as if the two Chinese parks will end up being the two most unique castle parks in the chain.

EDIT: It also looks like Hong Kong's govt is going to foot the bill. During the last round of expansions, Disney footed the bill in exchange for more equity in the park. Looks like this time, the govt is will to pay in order to expand the park (which they felt is needed) and they do not want Disney to control more equity in the venture. Is there something preventing Disney becoming the majority holder that forced the govts hand?

Looks like Hong Kong SAR didn't batter Disney into submission, kick executives out of the country, blacklist everyone, and take over the park. ;) What gives? :p Time for a new conspiracy.
 
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WDWTrojan

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Mr Ferret 88 said:
So can you explain why the "behind the scenes" tours at Disney are so popular still ?
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There's a difference here. Many people want to see off limit areas to a theme park because they can't see it any other way. "Behind type scenes" types of attractions about moviemaking are different, however. They were from a pre-internet era where movie making was a foreign world to most people and they had no idea how films were made. Yet in 2017, there's many avenues people can learn about how movies get made, whether it be on the internet or from DVD special features. Not to mention any smart eight year old can make his own movies on a computer. Watching videos the original backlot tour now it almost comes off as condescending how they treat the audience and their lack of knowledge about movie making.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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rushtest4echo said:
https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...rvel-and-more-coming-to-hong-kong-disneyland/

It looks like the HKDL expansions (that OP said were never on the table to begin with, and then said they'd never be approved, and then said they'd be scaled back, and then said they'd be upgraded) is really happening. Looks like the full assortment of stuff is being built too. Hopefully by 2023, HKDL will stand up to the other castle parks, finally! We thoroughly enjoyed our visits to HKDL, but it certainly could have used a few more attractions. Over the next decade, it looks as if the two Chinese parks will end up being the two most unique castle parks in the chain.

EDIT: It also looks like Hong Kong's govt is going to foot the bill. During the last round of expansions, Disney footed the bill in exchange for more equity in the park. Looks like this time, the govt is will to pay in order to expand the park (which they felt is needed) and they do not want Disney to control more equity in the venture. Is there something preventing Disney becoming the majority holder that forced the govts hand?

Looks like Hong Kong SAR didn't batter Disney into submission, kick executives out of the country, blacklist everyone, and take over the park. ;) What gives? :p Time for a new conspiracy.
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Huh? They are both splitting the bill. Disney is actually splitting it 50/50 for 1% equity gain and waving all licensing and management fees. That's basically what Legco got from being initially stubborn.

I don't obviously deserve to have much opinion on this as it isn't remotely my country or community, but the citizens are ed and would rather the site be used for housing... I'm glad they ignored their citizens personally. I think people are short sighted and don't realize what an actual built out, popular Disney park will do for their economy in the long run.

The plans also look and sound great to me. I know people think the Mavel part is too far out, but you have to consider what else they've done and they will be doing before that. HKDL remains the only park that seems to have a steady consistent roadmap. I really think it will pay off, the mega bridge will certainly indirectly help.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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rushtest4echo said:
https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...rvel-and-more-coming-to-hong-kong-disneyland/

It looks like the HKDL expansions (that OP said were never on the table to begin with, and then said they'd never be approved, and then said they'd be scaled back, and then said they'd be upgraded) is really happening. Looks like the full assortment of stuff is being built too. Hopefully by 2023, HKDL will stand up to the other castle parks, finally! We thoroughly enjoyed our visits to HKDL, but it certainly could have used a few more attractions. Over the next decade, it looks as if the two Chinese parks will end up being the two most unique castle parks in the chain.

EDIT: It also looks like Hong Kong's govt is going to foot the bill. During the last round of expansions, Disney footed the bill in exchange for more equity in the park. Looks like this time, the govt is will to pay in order to expand the park (which they felt is needed) and they do not want Disney to control more equity in the venture. Is there something preventing Disney becoming the majority holder that forced the govts hand?

Looks like Hong Kong SAR didn't batter Disney into submission, kick executives out of the country, blacklist everyone, and take over the park. ;) What gives? :p Time for a new conspiracy.
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Burning money would be a better use of the capital going towards the castle redo.
 
Travel Junkie

Travel Junkie

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BrianLo said:
Huh? They are both splitting the bill. Disney is actually splitting it 50/50 for 1% equity gain and waving all licensing and management fees. That's basically what Legco got from being initially stubborn.

I don't obviously deserve to have much opinion on this as it isn't remotely my country or community, but the citizens are ****ed and would rather the site be used for housing... I'm glad they ignored their citizens personally. I think people are short sighted and don't realize what an actual built out, popular Disney park will do for their economy in the long run.

The plans also look and sound great to me. I know people think the Mavel part is too far out, but you have to consider what else they've done and they will be doing before that. HKDL remains the only park that seems to have a steady consistent roadmap. I really think it will pay off, the mega bridge will certainly indirectly help.
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I hope you're right. It's a gem of a park and I really want it to succeed. I know the taxpayer money is a big issue, but most large scale projects involve taxpayer money whether it be infrastructure improvements or tax breaks that are negotiated into the deal on the taxpayers dime.

I'm not sold on the castle redo, but the rest looks solid.
 
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RandySavage

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the.dreamfinder said:
Burning money would be a better use of the capital going towards the castle redo.
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The castle re-do is the part of the HK project I'm most looking forward to. HK's castle is diminutive and unimpressive in its current setting. For those in charge to have the vision and will to do something about that is extremely encouraging. It will communicate the park's re-birth and entice the Chinese, who like "bigger, taller, better".
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WDW1974

WDW1974

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lazyboy97o said:
A Haunted Mansion restaurant would just be another self-referential, franchise. :depressed:
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That's WDW today.

People don't even get how nostalgia has been warped and changed over the last 20 years or so. Instead of nostalgia about others times and places, Disney nostalgia has become nostalgia for Disney experiences and, indeed, YOUR (not you, general you) nostalgia for past visits (like when Uncle Frank came and you all stayed in a two-bedroom at the BW at Christmas 2003 and the twins were 18 months old and Phil was on leave from Iraq ... and Frank died four months later of a massive coronary, one of the twins was knocked up by a basketball player at age 14 and Phil has become a pill addict). It can be a very sick nostalgia ...but it isn't about nostalgia for the Old West or traveling to strange new worlds (like Vulcania).
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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RandySavage said:
The castle re-do is the part of the HK project I'm most looking forward to. HK's castle is diminutive and unimpressive in its current setting. For those in charge to have the vision and will to do something about that is extremely encouraging. It will communicate the park's re-birth and entice the Chinese, who like "bigger, taller, better".
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Just saw this as I posted the local media's coverage of the deal. I can't disagree with you more.

The park was built using DL and its scale originally. The copying of SBC was much like MSUSA. It fit. This is akin to what the new Hub does at the MK. It doesn't fit the scale and art direction of the area.

Taking the existing castle (which won't be bulldozed, maybe a mystic can explain the details in full to those confused spirits) and adding ... well, a large and weird addition that exists only to enlarge the look of the structure isn't a great idea. It looks bad in the art. It will look worse in the real world. It won't fit at all.
 

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