A Spirited Valentine ...

FigmentJedi

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Do the Disney comic books have any cultural resonance with modern European children? My understanding is that phenomena was a generation and a half ago.
It still keeps going. You gotta realize, the Disney books are huge enough that Donald Duck is in the All-Time Top 5 Selling Comic Book Characters Worldwide (The other four being Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Wolverine) and I believe Donald actually outranks the Marvel characters on that list.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Having had a family member as a union member for my entire life, they have their place. However, it's becoming a more limited place these days, like in the medical/health care field. I don't really want to go more into this, as it really belongs in the Politics forum.

Not sure if I'm going to make it to DLP this year, but am still hoping to. I think it'll be more of a challenge to get to TDR in 2018, personally, but am still hoping to be able to do both. Either way, I will continue to live vicariously thru people like @WDW1974, @marni1971, and others for information on international parks and related news. :D

Well it sounds like SM in DLP is going to be nothing short of the amazing ride it should be, Meanwhile in the Swamps our SM continues to rot away.
 

Sir_Cliff

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It still keeps going. You gotta realize, the Disney books are huge enough that Donald Duck is in the All-Time Top 5 Selling Comic Book Characters Worldwide (The other four being Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Wolverine) and I believe Donald actually outranks the Marvel characters on that list.
Yeah, the Donald and Scrooge comics are still everywhere here in The Netherlands.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Has it really been 28 years since Disney-MGM opened? What an amazing place it was back in 1989.

It ceratainly was more educational, cohesive and interesting experience at the time.

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matt9112

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Nowadays people just cant fathom to even think how bad things were against the workers by the elite before unions.
people died so constantly, kid were abused for labor and got hurt killed and nothing happened. You could work for 12+ hours and get paid not even for food for a day.
etc..etc..

What have unions done lately???? Honestly everyone always points to things from forever ago. Yeah life's better now what do they Do? Become legal cartels of labor in urban environments?
 

Quinnmac000

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What have unions done lately???? Honestly everyone always points to things from forever ago. Yeah life's better now what do they Do? Become legal cartels of labor in urban environments?

Paid Paternity Leave, protection for non government protected classes (gender identification, etc), better premiums for healthcare, pay raises to match inflation, ensured people who are reservist/guard don't lose their jobs when they have to do military duty, it was a union who noticed that animators were not getting their dues with the anti poaching deal Disney made with other animation studios, it was a union who got permanent healthcare funding for coal miners with black lung in the new funding bill. It was a union of retired military members who fight for benefits from being cut for those who serve in the armed forces who were about to lose some essential benefits.
 

Cesar R M

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What have unions done lately???? Honestly everyone always points to things from forever ago. Yeah life's better now what do they Do? Become legal cartels of labor in urban environments?
Maintain the foothold.
The moment unions start to disappear, you will start to see a lot of abuse, particularly from working conditions, working hours, eliminating the "extra hours" and other things.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Paid Paternity Leave, protection for non government protected classes (gender identification, etc), better premiums for healthcare, pay raises to match inflation, ensured people who are reservist/guard don't lose their jobs when they have to do military duty, it was a union who noticed that animators were not getting their dues with the anti poaching deal Disney made with other animation studios, it was a union who got permanent healthcare funding for coal miners with black lung in the new funding bill. It was a union of retired military members who fight for benefits from being cut for those who serve in the armed forces who were about to lose some essential benefits.

Was it the union who negotiated the wages that CMs get at WDW? The wages everyone complains about here?
 

Quinnmac000

Well-Known Member
Was it the union who negotiated the wages that CMs get at WDW? The wages everyone complains about here?

There are multiple unions that a cast member fall under so you have to clarify. But yes it was a union who pushed for yearly increments. The part time union did much better than the full time union for wages.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Paid Paternity Leave, protection for non government protected classes (gender identification, etc), better premiums for healthcare, pay raises to match inflation, ensured people who are reservist/guard don't lose their jobs when they have to do military duty, it was a union who noticed that animators were not getting their dues with the anti poaching deal Disney made with other animation studios, it was a union who got permanent healthcare funding for coal miners with black lung in the new funding bill. It was a union of retired military members who fight for benefits from being cut for those who serve in the armed forces who were about to lose some essential benefits.


Um where do these 'protections' actually exist in the peoples republic of California perhaps, As to the bit about National Guard job protection I know lots of them who came home to no job status even as state and local government employees,

The so called protection was nullified by 'reclassifying' the positions available so the returning guard member had no job upon return. The attitude displayed was thanks for your service sucker now stop darkening our door you baby killing monster. Disgusting The law does not protect the Guard/Reservist's actual job it simply says the employer has to make a 'similar' job available, If no 'similar' jobs exist because of changes in the business well the Guard/Reservist is out of luck.

As you can see there is a loophole big enough to drive a tank through that one. The only ones who are really protected are pilots/A&P Mechanics/lawyers/doctors and nurses as those jobs are somewhat resistant due to legal walls against creative redefinition by HR drones.
 

Quinnmac000

Well-Known Member
Um where do these 'protections' actually exist in the peoples republic of California perhaps, As to the bit about National Guard job protection I know lots of them who came home to no job status even as state and local government employees,

The so called protection was nullified by 'reclassifying' the positions available so the returning guard member had no job upon return. The attitude displayed was thanks for your service sucker now stop darkening our door you baby killing monster. Disgusting The law does not protect the Guard/Reservist's actual job it simply says the employer has to make a 'similar' job available, If no 'similar' jobs exist because of changes in the business well the Guard/Reservist is out of luck.

As you can see there is a loophole big enough to drive a tank through that one. The only ones who are really protected are pilots/A&P Mechanics/lawyers/doctors and nurses as those jobs are somewhat resistant due to legal walls against creative redefinition by HR drones.

I'm sorry for your friends but most the people I know never came back to no jobs. Again its not different than companies turning people from hourly into salaried workers to prevent paying overtime. I was just posting modern reasons why unions still exist and can be necessary not to change this into a full out political problems with capitalism, governmentand worker rights.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I'm sorry for your friends but most the people I know never came back to no jobs. Again its not different than companies turning people from hourly into salaried workers to prevent paying overtime. I was just posting modern reasons why unions still exist and can be necessary not to change this into a full out political problems with capitalism, governmentand worker rights.


Not necessarily my friends but in my state government agencies deliberately restructured so as to ensure that vets would NOT have jobs upon return. The SEIU locals allowed this to happen because of the cozy relationship between the State Pols and the SEIU leadership you will forgive me when I say SEIU sold out it's members for baubles like 'official time'.

Most of my friends in the military are officers and fit into the jobs which I noted WERE protected.
 

WDWTrojan

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Spirited Quickees (Because you KNOW you want them!):


I get that Disney, being a good 5-8 years behind the industry, thinks that everyone wants a generic room with all white bedding, fake wood floor, beds that you can fit lots of cereal under, strange headboards and a little decoration. But that isn't what has set WDW resorts apart. It is theming. And theming is a lot more than a print on the wall (that will be at Property Control in five years). Out of all the 'new' rooms I've seen across property, only the villas at DAK Lodge have maintained actual theme feel.

Disney hotels have become a joke. The white bedding, while generic, is far better than the comforters they used to have which looked dirty, tacky and cheapened the place. Unfortunately, Disney is indeed 5-8 years behind the industry in their entire room portfolio. The soft and hard products simply do not equate with the industry, especially for the money. Yes the theming is nice but if you can't get a decent wifi connection, sleep on a mattress softer than actual Pride Rock or have to search high/low for an outlet, it's not okay.

Hungry? Better hope you made a reservation 180 days in advance, as you'd be hard-pressed to find a seat for most of the deluxe hotel restaurants on the spot. Lucky enough to snag a seat? Better be happy with the pared down menu that restaurants have been forced to adapt in the DDP-era.

None of this speaks to the service, mind you, which is also truly awful compared to what it was. Cast Members at the resorts have forgotten they are running a hotel and not a magic band dispensary, which is all they are really trained to do. My last attempt at extending my stay a few days was met with a blank stare, lots of phone calls and visits to the back office by the front desk host. Ultimately I was quoted nearly triple my rate and it took me, myself, calling to the central reservations center to extend the day for the same price (they weren't even able to do that, I had to book a new reservation then stand back in line to recheck in). Speaking of calling, want to call the front desk from your room? Think again. You get a call center who is wholly unable to help your problem or answer your question. They also require special manager approval to connect you to someone at the hotel itself. You can get the park hours but if you want to find out about booking a cabana for your hotel without trekking down to the pool after a long day in the parks, good luck.

One of the biggest issues, service-wise, is how Disney staffs their resorts. They put no thought into which cast member should be staffed at which resort. It's just luck of the draw. The reality should be only the best of the best staff the deluxe resorts, or at least requirement that you spend some time learning the ropes at one of the value or moderate properties before "moving up." Alas, some college program math major cast member may be thrown into the front desk at the Grand Floridian, never having stepped foot in a hotel before. For $700/night, that is not what I'm paying for. Same goes for the managers, to become a manager at a fine hotel, you are required to spend several years working in the field before you are promoted. Disney often hires managers fresh from their first College Program who have never once visited a WDW resort - perhaps they were a front-line merchandise clerk at the Emporium, now they're expected to manage the frontline team for Disney's flagship resort and provide individualized white glove service to high-value guests. It just simply doesn't work. They need to do what they used to do many years ago, by having secondary interviews within the areas themselves to decide who gets to work at the more "select" properties.

Staying at a Disney hotel used to be one of my favorite things to do. Alas no longer, my last ten visits have been at the Four Seasons or the Waldorf, which offer many times the amenities and service you find for often the same (or occasionally cheaper) price.
 

Absimilliard

Well-Known Member
Disney hotels have become a joke. The white bedding, while generic, is far better than the comforters they used to have which looked dirty, tacky and cheapened the place. Unfortunately, Disney is indeed 5-8 years behind the industry in their entire room portfolio. The soft and hard products simply do not equate with the industry, especially for the money. Yes the theming is nice but if you can't get a decent wifi connection, sleep on a mattress softer than actual Pride Rock or have to search high/low for an outlet, it's not okay.

Hungry? Better hope you made a reservation 180 days in advance, as you'd be hard-pressed to find a seat for most of the deluxe hotel restaurants on the spot. Lucky enough to snag a seat? Better be happy with the pared down menu that restaurants have been forced to adapt in the DDP-era.

None of this speaks to the service, mind you, which is also truly awful compared to what it was. Cast Members at the resorts have forgotten they are running a hotel and not a magic band dispensary, which is all they are really trained to do. My last attempt at extending my stay a few days was met with a blank stare, lots of phone calls and visits to the back office by the front desk host. Ultimately I was quoted nearly triple my rate and it took me, myself, calling to the central reservations center to extend the day for the same price (they weren't even able to do that, I had to book a new reservation then stand back in line to recheck in). Speaking of calling, want to call the front desk from your room? Think again. You get a call center who is wholly unable to help your problem or answer your question. They also require special manager approval to connect you to someone at the hotel itself. You can get the park hours but if you want to find out about booking a cabana for your hotel without trekking down to the pool after a long day in the parks, good luck.

One of the biggest issues, service-wise, is how Disney staffs their resorts. They put no thought into which cast member should be staffed at which resort. It's just luck of the draw. The reality should be only the best of the best staff the deluxe resorts, or at least requirement that you spend some time learning the ropes at one of the value or moderate properties before "moving up." Alas, some college program math major cast member may be thrown into the front desk at the Grand Floridian, never having stepped foot in a hotel before. For $700/night, that is not what I'm paying for. Same goes for the managers, to become a manager at a fine hotel, you are required to spend several years working in the field before you are promoted. Disney often hires managers fresh from their first College Program who have never once visited a WDW resort - perhaps they were a front-line merchandise clerk at the Emporium, now they're expected to manage the frontline team for Disney's flagship resort and interact with high-value guests. It just simply doesn't work. They need to do what they used to do many years ago, by having secondary interviews within the areas themselves to decide who gets to work at the more "select" properties.

Staying at a Disney hotel used to be one of my favorite things to do. Alas no longer, my last ten visits have been at the Four Seasons or the Waldorf, which offer many times the amenities and service you find for often the same (or occasionally cheaper) price.

Your whole post screams of a company that doesn't trust its staff and is so rigid they are willing to let thousands of dollars fly by instead of saying "Let me check on that!" and then trying to either figure out how I can collect the money and make the guest happy or find an acceptable solution that doesn't scream we're clueless.

That whole thing was slowly starting when I was at Guest Relations as it was seen as "strange" that I was always thinking on my feet. I just helped you with Epcot, but you're going to the Disney MGM Studios? Well, I do have a way for you to see Fantasmic without waiting in a long line... How about a Dinner Package? If le Cellier and the Teppanyaki was full, how about a delicious steak at the Yachtsmen Steakhouse? Its only 5 minutes away behind you...
 

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