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rushtest4echo

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rioriz said:
Get your first one the ground look at "Mountains on a stick" in that video
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I didn't see any of them, maybe I missed a shot in the video? In fact I'd go as far as to say they avoided showing them. The floating "smallish" rock at 1:22 isn't on a stick, that's one of the rock-clad Ibeam structures that is supported via vines and looks incredible when you're standing underneath. You feel like an ant down there. Rocks on a stick though, they're well hidden via forced perspective when you're in the land. People are going about it all wrong if they think the sticks aren't supposed to be visible outside the land- it's inside that counts and although I didn't specifically look at them from all angles, I didn't notice sticks underneath them them floating above the ride show building at all from within the area. Maybe I'm wrong because it's not the finished product but I don't think they care about the stick's visibility outside the land.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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rushtest4echo said:
The policy that DID result in Thunder Mtn's infamous death was that CM's were completely lax in reporting maintenance issues. They were also relied on to add/remove trains (from nearly all rides at Disney, a practice which is unheard of anywhere else). When a part failed, Cast Members did not call maintenance and instead decided that if the train continued to make an abnormal noise that they would pull the train and then call maintenance
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Your comments contradict what CalOSHA filed in their report.

In interviews, maintenance staff did not understand the different tags and their proper procedures. They also complained about being understaffed (which risks hurrying work). They also concluded that the management staff did not complete paperwork adequately and on-time and had signed off on work without inspecting it. This is also after a period where Disney had moved from dedicated staff on maintenance to area based teams and outsourced a lot of the work. (and it was the outside machinists that had failed to demonstrate competence on the tagging).

Also, the investigation found that the work done on the train prior was NOT done to specification (torque or safety wire on the upstop assembly) - which was part of the immediate failure in the train causing the crash.

I'm pretty confident in saying that maintenance WAS part of the problem - not just procedural ambiguity on the part of the ride operators -- And so was CalOSHA in their findings.

And the Columbia accident was in part due to using nylon ropes.. which when the untrained guy screwed up, contributed to the catastrophic failure.

rushtest4echo said:
Back to Thunder though, anything unusual- E-stop without question. It was the policy before and hasn't changed. This was a major violation of policy when they decided to run the ride anyway
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According to CalOSHA - "Through the course of the investigation, it appeared that the Disneyland Resort did not have a clear instruction on what a Ride Operator is expected to do in the event an unusual noise is detected"

Of course that was updated immediately following the BTMRR incident.

I think you are covering a bit for people more than they deserved.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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asianway said:
When you don't even know which ship killed the guy and then state alternative facts to support it...
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Cleating the line before the boat was stopped was the mistake of the guy on the dock.. and the boat driver screwed up too. No upkeep will keep a cleat on the dock when a superior power pulls on it. The problem was the correct line could have (edit: helped) prevented it (line snap vs cleat rip) and they screwed up the docking. This one was procedural... due to unqualified people.
 
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SorcererMC

SorcererMC

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ParentsOf4 said:
Please keep in mind that many experienced, high-priced cast members were replaced with cheaper, inexperienced labor beginning in the 1990s. Meanwhile, frontline management was under a great deal of pressure from senior management to reduce operating costs while simultaneously keeping attractions open.

Combined, it created an environment where safety was less important than it had been previously.

My experience is that in the majority of safety incidents, it was senior management that created the unsafe work environment by the priorities they set, and how those priorities impacted frontline employees.
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flynnibus said:
I think you are covering a bit for people more than they deserved.
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Right - management is responsible or accountable for promoting a 'culture of safety', which goes beyond written policy and procedure.
 
October82

October82

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UpAllNight said:
Whether it's PR spin or not, I do appreciate them talking about the values of a park during an era when it seems like all parks are merging into a anything goes IP sprawl.

I wonder if there's someone out there that will put half the thought into Epcots values when pushing through redo ideas.
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I have no doubts that there remain creative people who understand the values that Epcot and Animal Kingdom were intended to promote. I have every doubt that those people are in any position to push back, even in a small way, against the IP sprawl.

That leads to really mixed feelings about PR videos like this - they are meant to appeal to a certain audience, an audience that I hope the company will realize is in their business interest to continue to appeal to in more substantive ways.

Taking a step back, it's all a bit bizarre. If you've determined that the old business model - parks with a message - isn't worth pursuing any more, why spend the time and money, even small amounts, appealing to a market segment you intend to abandon?

I'd like to believe it speaks to some internal cognitive dissonance, as if they have to justify to themselves what they are doing.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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October82 said:
Would Joe Rhode do any better at handling Epcot than he is handling Marvel at DCA? He certainly seems like the kind of person who "gets it", but it doesn't look like he has the influence to make the kind of directional change that Epcot needs.
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WS is much more in his wheelhouse than Marvel, plus Fitz could focus solely on FW, which, based on Horizons and SSE, is his.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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October82 said:
Would Joe Rhode do any better at handling Epcot than he is handling Marvel at DCA? He certainly seems like the kind of person who "gets it", but it doesn't look like he has the influence to make the kind of directional change that Epcot needs.
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Agreed. I think despite its potential, Joe would much rather have been working on the Beastly Kingdom expansion and not Pandora.
 
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Quinnmac000

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@WDW1974 Great commentary as always but new upcoming question in regards to Disney and the potential attendance downfall. There have been multiple reports stating both travel to US and tourism in general are expected to dip 7-10% this year. With up to 10% loss in attendance and if Pandora isn't the success people are hoping and expecting not due to lack of popularity but lack of people traveling, what is Disney's plan for upcoming expansions and attractions?
 
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rushtest4echo

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Quinnmac000 said:
@WDW1974 Great commentary as always but new upcoming question in regards to Disney and the potential attendance downfall. There have been multiple reports stating both travel to US and tourism in general are expected to dip 7-10% this year. With up to 10% loss in attendance and if Pandora isn't the success people are hoping and expecting not due to lack of popularity but lack of people traveling, what is Disney's plan for upcoming expansions and attractions?
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Jedi, Woody, Mickey, Belle (hopefully), (hoping for more than one) member of SEA, a few tikis, Albert Awol, and some other IPs people will no doubt cry over. Disney has a lot of the drawing board.
 
Sped2424

Sped2424

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rushtest4echo said:
Jedi, Woody, Mickey, Belle (hopefully), (hoping for more than one) member of SEA, a few tikis, Albert Awol, and some other IPs people will no doubt cry over. Disney has a lot of the drawing board.
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I keep saying the minute the live action film does gangbusters I would expect those epcot plans to settle in one direction vs the other.
 

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