A Spirited Valentine ...

TeriofTerror

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Has it occurred to anyone that Flight of Passage, for "design reasons," may end up being more popular with women than with men?
My daughter didn't feel it until the second ride.
I'm truly not trying to be crass here. I spent years horseback riding, so gripping with my thighs is second nature to me. It's a totally different experience than if you're sitting passively as though in a chair.
I realize I'm opening myself up to (not entirely undeserved) off-color remarks, but I'm being completely serious!
 

HMF

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Let us not forget, a large part of EPCOT's initial success was the relatively-unified reverence with which '80s America held the idea of industrial and scientific "progress."
People smarter than me have written essays about how the original EPCOT was a church with NASA standing in for God. Hard to count how many times the image of the holy Space Shuttle popped up in various attractions.
Needless to say, that sort of thing doesn't "fly" anymore.
(Looks at the events of the last week) Hmm, I wonder why that is?
 

Donaldfan1934

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I did. I did!

Disney has conditioned Guests to like whatever it shoves down their throats. Marvel is at the height of its popularity, which means there is only one way it can go ... the question is simply when it does. GotG is a popular franchise. The first movie was the definition of what a fun summer popcorn flick should be. The sequel, while not nearly as good, was still a fun romp. Disney has also been working with its BRAND advocates and influencers on getting the narrative out that the DCA ToT wasn't that good, wasn't that popular and shouldn't be missed. Just buy Baby Groot and Cosmo plush and toys. I read this narrative from fan Twitter to 'serious' bloggers to mainstream news reporters. That narrative was written in Burbank.
While what you're saying about how Disney controls the reception of their products is 100% true, I do believe that a large part of the good press for this attraction comes from it being much better than anyone reasonably expected it to be. Don't get me wrong, Disney's handling of the the whole situation was poor and everything about its inception screamed poorly thought out, cheap, corporate rush job. But despite going on the ride with the lowest of low expectations, I actually thought the ride was not only enjoyable, but a genuinely well done attraction experience. Now does this mean it's all of a sudden one of best decisions Disney could have made? Absolutely not. However, it does mean that those tasked with making it should be applauded for creating something that could've been horribly executed given the situation into something that can be appreciated.
 
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Just think, if Disney could learn something from this "Attraction specific merch sells", they might bring some of the unique merch back to Dinoland when the update happens.

I was so disappointed to see how they got rid of most of the Dinosaur/CTX foam rubber dinosaur line. Wanted to get a new Carnotaur to replace the one I had as a kid (foam rot finally started breaking his feet a few years ago and I made a bad call of throwing him out instead of trying to patch him up some way), but they don't carry the medium size I had that would be easier to carry or any dinosaurs outside Carnotaurus and the Alioramus they put a T.Rex tag on.

Would be great to not only see a return of Dinosaur's old toyline, but some retro "Imperial dinosaur" inspired toyline for whatever ride they use the Energy dinos in. Like imagine figures in this style replicating the poses of those old figures. Throwback toys for dinosaur designs that are themselves rooted in paleoart's past.
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Yes attraction specific merchandise sells and sells well unfortunately because of lower overall sales volume gross margin is lower.

So Disney is going to favor merchandise that sell for 90% margin (i.e. T shirts and the majority of the generic plastic crap sold) as opposed to selling attraction specific items.

For every banshee they sell in Pandora they sell 30 t-shirts and on a ROI basis T shirts are a better investment.

As margin on banshees is probably 'only' 70-80%

Yes these numbers are made up but they are based on quotes similar sized finished plastic items for industrial use and large scale shirt purchases
 

Mike S

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While what you're saying about how Disney controls the reception of their products is 100% true, I do believe that a large part of the good press for this attraction comes from it being much better than anyone reasonably expected it to be. Don't get me wrong, Disney's handling of the the whole situation was **** poor and everything about its inception screamed poorly thought out, cheap, corporate rush job. But despite going on the ride with the lowest of low expectations, I actually thought the ride was not only enjoyable, but a genuinely well done attraction experience. Now does this mean it's now all of a sudden one of best decisions Disney could have made? Absolutely not. However, it does mean that those tasked with making it should be applauded for creating something that could've been horribly executed given the situation into something that can be appreciated.
Sounds like Frostrom except this time they really crossed the line with what was closed.
 

yeti

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While what you're saying about how Disney controls the reception of their products is 100% true, I do believe that a large part of the good press for this attraction comes from it being much better than anyone reasonably expected it to be. Don't get me wrong, Disney's handling of the the whole situation was **** poor and everything about its inception screamed poorly thought out, cheap, corporate rush job. But despite going on the ride with the lowest of low expectations, I actually thought the ride was not only enjoyable, but a genuinely well done attraction experience. Now does this mean it's all of a sudden one of best decisions Disney could have made? Absolutely not. However, it does mean that those tasked with making it should be applauded for creating something that could've been horribly executed given the situation into something that can be appreciated.

I rode it this afternoon and wasn't a fan. To me they took an ingenious attraction (clone) that is arguably a work of art in how dramatic it is, and turned it into a glorified death drop. It's the Jaws 2 of theme park rides; unlike the masterful slow build of Tower, they blow all the tension in the first twenty seconds! And it's still ugly as sin from the outside.
 

Kman101

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I rode it this afternoon and wasn't a fan. To me they took an ingenious attraction (clone) that is arguably a work of art in how dramatic it is, and turned it into a glorified death drop. It's the Jaws 2 of theme park rides; unlike the masterful slow build of Tower, they blow all the tension in the first twenty seconds! And it's still ugly as sin from the outside.

But ... but it's bouncy and fun! And everyone's lining up for hours! I'm being sarcastic but I see on the Disneyland forum anyone who remotely doesn't like it is getting sort of jumped on and told how great it is.

I'm sure I'll like it and am looking forward to a new experience using the Tower system but people need to remember it's OK to have a difference of opinion. Not everyone will love it.
 

Donaldfan1934

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I rode it this afternoon and wasn't a fan. To me they took an ingenious attraction (clone) that is arguably a work of art in how dramatic it is, and turned it into a glorified death drop. It's the Jaws 2 of theme park rides; unlike the masterful slow build of Tower, they blow all the tension in the first twenty seconds! And it's still ugly as sin from the outside.
To each their own, but I think it's good you bring up the massive tonal shift between the two attractions because that played a big part in making GotG M:B it's own unique thing. In fact, massive changes to the attraction were necessary if Disney truly wanted it to be seen as something much more than just a cheap and awkward overlay. The way I saw it, they didn't let ToT dictate what GotG M:B ended up being as most of us assumed and instead let the GotG theme completely redefine how the space is used in admittedly innovative ways. Yes, comparisons are unavoidable, but I think it's unfair state that it needs to feel like ToT since that was not the intention.
 
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Mike S

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Now that some time has passed I'll give more detailed thoughts on Flight of Passage. It's a very Universal type ride except nothing really goes wrong and there's no character exposition. Lots of water though and, of course, falling/diving.

The ride is masterfully paced. Great moments of excitement paired with moments of calm. At first there was a slight disappointment in the lack of music to go along with the ride but then it starts to kick in for the finale. Absolutely beautiful. I was screaming in my head "Nooooooo!!!" as I began to leave my Avatar and come back to the real world. The last time I had this kind of strong reaction to a ride was Forbidden Journey.
 

Rodan75

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Random comments...and please don't turn this into a Uni contract discussion.

1. Disney is becoming more brazen about their Marvel Merch in the parks. Selling more specialized Parks only merch with Marvel branding vs selling regular retail versions of Marvel stuff that they used to sell.

2. Lots of rumors around here from travel agents and others who should know better that a Marvel Disney Thrill PARK is coming and opening in 2021. I know it is malarkey. But interesting that so many ppl are openly stating the same rumor and how out of nowhere it seems.
 

PizzaPlanet

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Now that some time has passed I'll give more detailed thoughts on Flight of Passage. It's a very Universal type ride except nothing really goes wrong and there's no character exposition. Lots of water though and, of course, falling/diving.

The ride is masterfully paced. Great moments of excitement paired with moments of calm. At first there was a slight disappointment in the lack of music to go along with the ride but then it starts to kick in for the finale. Absolutely beautiful. I was screaming in my head "Nooooooo!!!" as I began to leave my Avatar and come back to the real world. The last time I had this kind of strong reaction to a ride was Forbidden Journey.
I can't wait to ride it next month!
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Random comments...and please don't turn this into a Uni contract discussion.

1. Disney is becoming more brazen about their Marvel Merch in the parks. Selling more specialized Parks only merch with Marvel branding vs selling regular retail versions of Marvel stuff that they used to sell.

2. Lots of rumors around here from travel agents and others who should know better that a Marvel Disney Thrill PARK is coming and opening in 2021. I know it is malarkey. But interesting that so many ppl are openly stating the same rumor and how out of nowhere it seems.
The times they are a changin'
So is this the new villains park?
 

Nickels5

Well-Known Member
Now that some time has passed I'll give more detailed thoughts on Flight of Passage. It's a very Universal type ride except nothing really goes wrong and there's no character exposition. Lots of water though and, of course, falling/diving.

The ride is masterfully paced. Great moments of excitement paired with moments of calm. At first there was a slight disappointment in the lack of music to go along with the ride but then it starts to kick in for the finale. Absolutely beautiful. I was screaming in my head "Nooooooo!!!" as I began to leave my Avatar and come back to the real world. The last time I had this kind of strong reaction to a ride was Forbidden Journey.
Can't wait to ride it in September.
 

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