A Spirited Perfect Ten

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
you NEVER mentioned in your post that you were only looking at a "22-day" total - which is meaningless in the long run. Then you mention that you were only looking at U.S numbers for Avatar - again meaningless in the long run as the U.S. is LESS than 5% of the world's population

:rolleyes:

and why do you want me to mention the full run if JW is not out of the theatres?
logic sir.. logic.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
If you honestly think that's all it takes, by all means do it yourself. Shouldn't take you very long. I eagerly await your results.
No thanks, I'll keep my dignity and I have no desire to put unwitting children in front of a camera with scripted responses. For shame.

But if I did, I would at least make an effort of a sales pitch and/or promotion for the company when showcasing my free $1,200 a night room, not just parade around in braggadocious manor in some vein attempt to appear important.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
If you honestly think that's all it takes, by all means do it yourself. Shouldn't take you very long. I eagerly await your results.
I'm pretty sure... that for us, its going to cost a lot.
It would mean reconstructive surgery, cosmetic surgery, sex change, finding a husband and adopting 2 or more kids.
Then some of us MIGHT classify as "disney moms". :hilarious::hilarious:

Being serious, I actually expect the "mommy blogger" group to act like a small private club. Invite only. Probably the "leader" suggests the Disney PR who is a "good blogger" (they probably have a checklist to make her fit the "disney standards" even if she isn't popular at all)
 
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cdd89

Well-Known Member
Getting those folks to spend two days in the parks is a net win.
Perhaps... But it is odd that they're still selling it as a fixed unit. Rather than getting the Magic Your Way plan, the options are 2, 7+PH, 14+PH, 21+PH. The 2-day option never used to be there. If you choose 1 day, or 3 days or 4 days, you're offered the 2 day no-hop plan.

If Disney have suddenly had an epiphany that selling vacation-length packages to UKers is less profitable than also offering short visit tickets, why not just market the MYW plan? As it stands, it feels like a lame attempt to manipulate the market by artificially excluding Park Hopper on the "cheapest" (not that cheap!) ticket. Disney knows perfectly well that 3 days is the most popular ticket, as can be seen from the way the MYW prices increment. They're intentionally selling an unappealing ticket to try and get people to upgrade. That's my theory, anyway!

But I think this is definitely targeted at the FlexTicket visitors. You anecdotally hear of a lot of people skipping Disney because they have the other parks (a lot of UK "Orlando" vacation packages include the Flex Ticket by default just because it represents a good value) and 4*7-day Disney would push their budget over the edge when they only want 3 days there.
 

BrerJon

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I disagree. UK guests travel much differently than US guests. When I lived in Polk County, I'd say at least 50% of my neighborhood were British retirees who came to Central Florida for a few weeks at a time. Their visits weren't based on Walt Disney World, they just came to sit in the sun by the pool. Getting those folks to spend two days in the parks is a net win.

He doesn't mean that Brits don't take short trips to Disney, but that the marketing strategy Disney uses is changing.

There's no 'Magic Your Way' in British marketing - previously you had three options if you wanted to buy tickets with Disney - a 7-day Ultimate Ticket, a 14-day Ultimate Ticket and a 21-day. They've now added a fourth, a 2-day. The idea was always to make people assume that 'doing Disney' in anything less than a week just wasn't feasible.

Global variations on marketing tend to be pretty consistent - for example you know in Canada you're rarely going to see ads for WDW, but plenty for Disneyland, and the reverse is true for the UK where Anaheim might as well not exist.

If Disney has noticed changing habits in overseas guests, this could be a sign that they're modifying their marketing accordingly. Harry Potter is hugely popular with the Brits, and although we're always told the two companies arent competing, I'd be amazed if this isn't a response to the resulting increase in Brits skipping WDW nowadays in favour of I-Drive, Legoland, Sea World, Universal etc.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
There's no 'Magic Your Way' in British marketing - previously you had three options if you wanted to buy tickets with Disney - a 7-day Ultimate Ticket, a 14-day Ultimate Ticket and a 21-day. They've now added a fourth, a 2-day. The idea was always to make people assume that 'doing Disney' in anything less than a week just wasn't feasible.
I agree with that. But it's a double edged sword. Only offering a minimum-seven day ticket might get a guest who wants two days to pay for more than he wanted in the first place, but they also would have lost some of those two-day guests entirely because they'd rather skip it than buy a full week. I think they'll gain more incremental guests than lose seven-dayers "downgrading" to the new offering.
 

WDWLover#1

Well-Known Member
What I would also say for the UK is that marketing wise recently, wdw and dlp are sold together in one advert. "Look at these two parks we own come and pick the one you want". Universal adverts are appearing more regularly and heavily advertise well known and loved franchises in the UK: marvel and Harry Potter.
I can understand Disney introducing new ticket options as a large portion stay at villas and not Disney property. It further entices people to come and at a lesser price which is the problem for wdw and the UK. It's too expensive when airfare is added.
As others have said Anaheim doesn't get mentioned at all, most don't know it exists. Only wdw dlp and dcl are advertised.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
I agree with that. But it's a double edged sword. Only offering a minimum-seven day ticket might get a guest who wants two days to pay for more than he wanted in the first place, but they also would have lost some of those two-day guests entirely because they'd rather skip it than buy a full week. I think they'll gain more incremental guests than lose seven-dayers "downgrading" to the new offering.

Oh yes it's definitely a wise move, but in the past the lure of a cheap 7-day ticket was considered enough, but it now seems the competition has reached a tipping point where Disney marketing clearly don't think their offering is strong enough anymore - especially as many Brits come back regularly and expect something 'new' each time as it's so expensive, and more and more international tickets are bundling in things like Legoland and the Orlando Eye for free, so they need to draw people back in somehow.
 
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BrerJon

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The 2-day thing is also an old marketing trick... if your cheapest option is several hundred dollars, people will say it's really expensive. But if the cheapest option - which you offer knowing nobody will want - is a lot cheaper, it makes the option that includes way more stuff and is much cheaper per day seem like far better value, so it's really just a tool to direct people to buy the 14-day.
 

71jason

Well-Known Member
Yeah...to me the big red flag is how he claims he can "manipulate" the FastPass machines and computers to give his guests the best times. I have to wonder if he is one of the offenders of the Special Assistance Pass?!?

Doubtful. The Mouse was quick and decisive in his response in the wake of that story. My guess: this guy's adept at (or at least has the time to play around with) changing FPs on the app.

Don't know who this guy is--could probably find out with a phone call if I actually cared enough--but would bet he worked for one of the big two VIP tour companies in town, decided to split off on his own without a real understanding of why his clients were hiring him in the first place.
 

Funmeister

Well-Known Member
Doubtful. The Mouse was quick and decisive in his response in the wake of that story. My guess: this guy's adept at (or at least has the time to play around with) changing FPs on the app.

Don't know who this guy is--could probably find out with a phone call if I actually cared enough--but would bet he worked for one of the big two VIP tour companies in town, decided to split off on his own without a real understanding of why his clients were hiring him in the first place.

Yeah I did not think of the possibility that you mentioned. Something still does not seem right with the entire thing. I know ex-Cast Members who tried to start their own tours but not on this level. They were told by Disney they could not do it for whatever reason.
 

LieutLaww

Hello There
Premium Member
In the Parks
No
As a brit Disney has certainly started showing more adverts with both WDW and DLP over here but you get nothing about DL at all, no package holidays nothing, the thing with the 14 days ticket they offer over here is its 14 for the price of 7, 7 day and 14 day are both exactly the same price. Universal also seem to be hitting the screens more over here too showing of both the parks. As for coming over longer, yes we tend to come over for 2 weeks as most peoples view over here is if we are going all that way we may as well do it for 2 weeks instead of just 1 and most people tend to have 2 weeks summer holidays here ( I am the exception as i normally take 3-4 weeks off :p)
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
I have seen both Inside Out and Jurassic World now and both films were great. Jurassic World actually exceeded my expectations, as it is pretty impressive when the 4th film is as excellent as this one was. The concept behind the main antagonist dinosaur was brilliant and is one of the reasons that the franchise was still able to maintain some degree of originality even in its 4th iteration. I think that this is why Jurassic World was so good: it was more risky in some aspects. Of course there were the usual plot points - children come to island, people get caught in dinosaur areas, dinosaurs break out, etc. The big differences where I felt from a story line perspective the writers took more chances were things like Pratt's character and his relationship with the raptors and the backstory and abilities of the Indominus Rex. And Pratt is now obviously becoming the next big action star in Hollywood (if he wants to be) so Universal was smart to cast him.

The one thing that really stands out to me regarding both films is that each demonstrates the strength of each company. Jurassic World was such an in-your-face, action movie that was so great to watch. It was bombastic in a sense and very reminiscent of how the parks are being revitalized at this moment in time. Huge, impressive additions that are just stealing the limelight away from The Mouse right now (IMHO). With Inside Out, though, it was such a creative and emotional movie that tugged on your heart strings as they say. It reached back into your childhood in an intense way and was able to stir up some nostalgia. This is one of the things that Disney has mastered and it was on full display during this movie. With Disney now moving into some different IPs like Avatar and Star Wars, it should prove interesting to see if they can once again build dominant, immersive and intricate experiences like UNI has been with Potter and what Kong appears to be.

Not to mention they perfectly weaved in enough of the original movie to make the nostalgia flow. The acting was also far superior than the originals which helps a great deal. This movie actually had a thought out story, one that in a world of cloning dinosaurs made more realistic sense than say that dinosaur coming to the United States on a boat.
 

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