A Spirited Perfect Ten

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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PhotoDave219 said:
Nope. No need for any more Pirates movies either.

The whole idea of "franchises" needs to sent out to go Fishing with Fredo.
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Actually, in my opinion, Pirates could have stopped at one (1). I have yet to make it through any of the others without either feeling incredibly bored or falling asleep. So, I agree, bring the boat up to the dock, we have some cinder blocks to load up.

I did love the "Curse of the Black Pearl" though.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Cody5294 said:
According to weekend estimates, Tomorrowland is going to plummet 61% from last weekend and only make 12.1 mill. There's no chance for it to make 100 mill domestically now
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WOW...if that's the case, then it's going to be a bigger bomb financially than John Carter, which itself has pretty much replaced Ishtar as the go-to example of a box office failure of the highest degree. And at least John Carter had the excuse of coming out in March.

I'm a bit shocked - as detailed earlier in this thread, LOL, I could not escape advertising for this film. They had the teen angle, they had the Clooney angle, they had the Disney angle...

Seriously, that's some serious bad news for WDC.

Can we continue the discussion now about how smart the Marvel and Lucasfilm purchases were, and just how desperately Disney needs them? ;)
 
AEfx

AEfx

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PhotoDave219 said:
The big problem is that society believes that their kid needs a stroller, regardless of the age.
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THIS.

(NOTE: Of course, before someone jumps down my throat, children that have different development needs are not what we are discussing, and I understand very well from my niece that "stroller as a wheelchair" is a great option for small kids with mobility issues.)

Strollers used to be for children who can't or have just learned to walk. I have an excellent memory of my childhood (one of those freaky autobiographical ones) and I know I didn't have one after I was like 2 1/2 give or take a few months. I remember being in one maybe twice.

I would have been ashamed as a four-year old to have one...much less a school age child. That was absolutely unheard of. "But my kid is tired!" used to mean it was time to take a break or a nap, not to push the kid harder until they have to flop into one of those.

A lot of it is also the "I like having a cart to hold all the junk we bring" as well, but really - when a kid's knees are up to their chest trying to fit into one, it's borderline obscene.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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AEfx said:
WOW...if that's the case, then it's going to be a bigger bomb financially than John Carter, which itself has pretty much replaced Ishtar as the go-to example of a box office failure of the highest degree. And at least John Carter had the excuse of coming out in March.

I'm a bit shocked - as detailed earlier in this thread, LOL, I could not escape advertising for this film. They had the teen angle, they had the Clooney angle, they had the Disney angle...

Seriously, that's some serious bad news for WDC.

Can we continue the discussion now about how smart the Marvel and Lucasfilm purchases were, and just how desperately Disney needs them? ;)
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I didn't really think they had any angle for the marketing. While there were ads everywhere for the film, the original teaser was the only one where I actually felt interested in seeing it.

I expected them to divulge a little bit of info about Tomorrowland itself, maybe tie it to Disney. But instead they removed the Walt Disney references and spent a good chuck of time in the final trailer running around George Clooney's house. Time which could have been used more effectively to tease more of the plot.

That plus poor reviews and word of mouth spells doom for Disney at the box office. I was hoping for this to be a hit, but I guess not.
 
asianway

asianway

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Next Big Thing said:
Honestly, it will be hard for any new additions to NOT make that place a madhouse right now. WDW needs to make sure crowds are spread out at DAK/DHS/Epcot at NIGHT. More often than not, guests go to DHS/DAK and then skip on over to MK for the nighttime stuff and because it's open the latest.

MK can't be the only night park. That in and of itself is the reason for the capacity problems the park is facing.
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That time they stopped doing Fant nightly to save money and tossed gasoline at the fire
 
Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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asianway said:
That time they stopped doing Fant nightly to save money and tossed gasoline at the fire
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Agreed, that definitely didn't help, but now it's more the fault of the park sucking since they do Fant! nightly (sometimes multiple times) AND have a fireworks show what seems like half the year now.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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spacemt354 said:
I didn't really think they had any angle for the marketing. While there were ads everywhere for the film, the original teaser was the only one where I actually felt interested in seeing it.
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What was interesting was how mufti-faceted the campaign was. For example, I saw a lot of the Disney Chanel trailers (I'm hopelessly in love with Girl Meets World) and they were very much aimed to that audience - it looked like a Hunger Games/Divergent lite and that's how they sold it. The general trailers went a different way.

But as I said a week or so ago when I posted about it - I probably saw 100 trailers/teasers (they really were showing them every commercial break on Disney Channel for awhile, in addition to a lot of ABC shows I watch, etc.) but I still didn't have a clue what the film was really about.

As a massive theme park fan, though - I didn't go. The "meh" reviews here didn't encourage me, either (though they didn't really impact my decision to begin with).

Overall, I think it's a symptom of the fact that a lot of folks like me, who when I was growing up went to 2 movies a week generally, now go about twice a year, at most. It takes a hell of a lot to get me to want to go through the hassle of going to the theater, and even someone as interested as theme parks as I am was like "eh, it will be out on video by fall..."
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
AEfx said:
But as I said a week or so ago when I posted about it - I probably saw 100 trailers/teasers (they really were showing them every commercial break on Disney Channel for awhile, in addition to a lot of ABC shows I watch, etc.) but I still didn't have a clue what the film was really about.
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I think this is the key. I didn't know what the film was about either.

Granted films like Inception didn't give much plot away in the trailers and were often confusing, but it made you interested to learn more. Tomorrowland didn't really make me interested to learn more...it was just "meh" imo.
 
asianway

asianway

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Next Big Thing said:
Agreed, that definitely didn't help, but now it's more the fault of the park sucking since they do Fant! nightly (sometimes multiple times) AND have a fireworks show what seems like half the year now.
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It seemed that was around the time I started seeing more and more people saying they needed to do wishes and close out the MK 2-3-4 days of their trip. Never understood the phenomenon once should be plenty. Maybe ROL will help maybe not
 
Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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asianway said:
It seemed that was around the time I started seeing more and more people saying they needed to do wishes and close out the MK 2-3-4 days of their trip. Never understood the phenomenon once should be plenty. Maybe ROL will help maybe not
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I would think it should help at least some. It certainly can't hurt at this point.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Next Big Thing said:
Honestly, it will be hard for any new additions to NOT make that place a madhouse right now. WDW needs to make sure crowds are spread out at DAK/DHS/Epcot at NIGHT. More often than not, guests go to DHS/DAK and then skip on over to MK for the nighttime stuff and because it's open the latest.

MK can't be the only night park. That in and of itself is the reason for the capacity problems the park is facing.
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The parks aren't even really open at night anymore...the best under most circumstances (save holiday weeks) is "early evening" to me. Cripes, some times of the year Epcot is the "night park" when there are parties every other day, everything else is closed by 7, and Epcot at least stays open until 9.

It made a modicum of sense when they were trying to force folks down to PI, but at this point I really don't know what the hell they expect you to do if you are stuck on-site.
 
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Jeffxz

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Cesar R M said:
or first upcharge fastpass only attraction?
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They could always try what SeaWorld does:

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Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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AEfx said:
WOW...if that's the case, then it's going to be a bigger bomb financially than John Carter, which itself has pretty much replaced Ishtar as the go-to example of a box office failure of the highest degree. And at least John Carter had the excuse of coming out in March.

I'm a bit shocked - as detailed earlier in this thread, LOL, I could not escape advertising for this film. They had the teen angle, they had the Clooney angle, they had the Disney angle...

Seriously, that's some serious bad news for WDC.

Can we continue the discussion now about how smart the Marvel and Lucasfilm purchases were, and just how desperately Disney needs them? ;)
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You guys aren't taking in Overseas numbers... it has yet to open in many large international markets.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Next Big Thing said:
You guys aren't taking in Overseas numbers... it has yet to open in many large international markets.
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Not really, the only place of note left is Japan, and the remaining are like Poland and Brazil. It's doubtful they are going to change things significantly.

It's actually tracked below John Carter numbers (though John Carter did cost more, to be fair), industry publications are saying that it's Disney's worst performance since Prince of Persia in 2010.

Execs are already apologizing for it - ""Tomorrowland is an original movie and that's more of a challenge in this marketplace. We feel it's incredibly important for us as a company and as an industry to keep telling original stories." (Dave Hollis, WDP distribution chief)

I'll let the irony of that statement just simmer for a moment, LOL.
 

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