Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
Lucas blew it with the prequels, his "vision" was absolute crap. Most are probably relieved he has no hand in the new trilogy.
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
A sale to OLC is what WDW fans should be rooting for.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Detective @hakunamatata I believe you were investigating a horrible soda crime when @George was in town, Sorry
CinematicFusion
Well-Known Member
Lucas wrote the story to Empire Strikes Back and should have had first billing on Screenplay. Lawrence Kasdan came in from Raiders of the lost ark and did work. Kasdan and Lucas would work again on the screenplay for Return of the Jedi. Nothing Leigh Brackett did on Empire was used.
Wikipedia is the source I'm using in the text below. Read the Making of The Empire Strikes Back(enhanced edition) for a more in depth reading of Lucas involvement with empire. Chapter two in a section called Misfire. It's a book by Rinzler, J.W.
Lucas hired science fiction author Leigh Brackett to write Star Wars II with him. They held story conferences and, by late November 1977, Lucas had produced a handwritten treatment called The Empire Strikes Back. The treatment is similar to the final film, except that Darth Vader does not reveal he is Luke's father. In the first draft that Brackett would write from this, Luke's father appears as a ghost to instruct Luke.[18]
Brackett finished her first draft in early 1978; Lucas has said he was disappointed with it, but before he could discuss it with her, she died of cancer.[19] With no writer available, Lucas had to write his next draft himself. It was this draft in which Lucas first made use of the "Episode" numbering for the films; Empire Strikes Back was listed as Episode II.[20] As Michael Kaminski argues in The Secret History of Star Wars, the disappointment with the first draft probably made Lucas consider different directions in which to take the story.[21] He made use of a new plot twist: Darth Vader claims to be Luke's father. According to Lucas, he found this draft enjoyable to write, as opposed to the yearlong struggles writing the first film, and quickly wrote two more drafts,[22] both in April 1978. He also took the script to a darker extreme by having Han Solo imprisoned in carbonite and left in limbo.[23]
This new story point of Darth Vader being Luke's father had drastic effects on the series. Michael Kaminski argues in his book that it is unlikely that the plot point had ever seriously been considered or even conceived of before 1978, and that the first film was clearly operating under an alternate storyline where Vader was separate from Luke's father;[24] there is not a single reference to this plot point before 1978. After writing the second and third drafts of Empire Strikes Back in which the point was introduced, Lucas reviewed the new backstory he had created: Anakin Skywalker was Ben Kenobi's brilliant student and had a child named Luke, but was swayed to the dark side by Emperor Palpatine (who became a Sith and not simply a politician). Anakin battled Ben Kenobi on the site of a volcano and was wounded, but then resurrected as Darth Vader. Meanwhile Kenobi hid Luke on Tatooine while the Republic became the Empire and Vader systematically hunted down and killed the Jedi.[25]
With this new backstory in place, Lucas decided that the series would be a trilogy, changing Empire Strikes Back from Episode II to Episode V in the next draft.[22] Lawrence Kasdan, who had just completed writing Raiders of the Lost Ark, was then hired to write the next drafts, and was given additional input from director Irvin Kershner. Kasdan, Kershner, and producer Gary Kurtz saw the film as a more serious and adult film, which was helped by the new, darker storyline, and developed the series from the light adventure roots of the first film.[26]
shannon12
Active Member
The entitled having meltdowns is not exclusive to WDW or to the younger generation. Just today I had a middle aged woman berate me and yell and scream for 15 minutes for not being able to accept a return for something we DONT SELL!!
dupac
Well-Known Member
What I got from this is that the Germans really liked the Hobbit.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Been there done that its been my job for many years to be yelled at by C-level staff of our customers and it's my job to fix their issues.
NemoRocks78
Seized
George, stop sending your nasty nudes and dirty texts to my wife. Thanks!
MerlinTheGoat
Well-Known Member
As far as i'm concerned, the less substantial control George Lucas has over Star Wars, the better for us. Not that I want him ousted from influence entirely, but i don't want him captaining the ship (more of a consultant and conceptual adviser). But some of the best elements in the franchise were ones he had a minimal influence on relative to the media he had complete control over. Empire Strikes Back, the film a great majority of people generally cite as the best in the series (an opinion I personally share), was the one Lucas apparently had relatively little to do with. In fact Lucas apparently doesn't like ESB much, he actually considers it the worst in the series...
So far i'm very excited for The Force Awakens. Cautiously so, but a lot of good signs so far. They're putting an emphasis on subduing the CGI in favor of the practical, there's a lot of talented people involved. Lots of potential signs they're trying to avoid the massive missteps of the prequels.
So far i'm very excited for The Force Awakens. Cautiously so, but a lot of good signs so far. They're putting an emphasis on subduing the CGI in favor of the practical, there's a lot of talented people involved. Lots of potential signs they're trying to avoid the massive missteps of the prequels.
CinematicFusion
Well-Known Member
I can see why people feel this way and I get it. However for better or for worse, the next trilogy will not be the true trilogy. Not in the eyes of many. It will be the first time from Episode 1-6 that a story doesn't say story by George Lucas.
It is someone else making up the end of the skywalker story. I always felt the Skywalker story, the stories 1-9 should come through Lucas. It was his vision.
It feels like one big fan film now. I felt Lucas story for the prequels was good. It felt like a first draft though, it felt rushed.
He needed to do what he was doing with the new trilogy.
He had given his story outline to michael arndt of Toy Story 3 fame. He crafted out a 50 page treatment of the entire trilogy. That is what Lucas should have done with the prequels instead of writing it on the fly.
Lucas had hired Lawrence Kasdan as a consultant and was going to tackle the screenplay for Ep.7 before negotiations with Disney Started.
Doesn't feel right...doesn't feel like a true Star Wars movie if that is the case. The spinoff films I don't care about. It's the original story from the original story teller I want to see. Again, for better or worse.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
George, I feel so cheated.
I'm asking Divorce.. you will meet my lawyer (ps.. the house is mine, you can keep the car)
He claimed he only sent these to me
I feel cheated!
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Really sad to see people act like this. Unfortunately if Bob the CM really is from Atlantic City he's stuck dealing with it. AC is in rough shape with Casinos closing and jobs going away so he can't go home
. I don't think I would survive a day working as a front line CM. He handled it incredibly well IMHO.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
None of that contradicts anything I said. It just reinforces my point, that Lucas made it all up as he went along.
There was no vision. For the last several years Lucas insisted that the story is, was and always will be only the six films about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Wow, its clear that you're fan of George Lucas and not of Star Wars.
CinematicFusion
Well-Known Member
I think it's going to be good.
It will feel like a fan film for me though. Whatever you think of Lucas, it is his story. He had written up to this point all the stories and was working on 7-9 with Ardnt.
7,8,9 need to say Story by: George Lucas
It's sad he had a treatment for the movies and Disney threw it in the trash. To be fair, Lucas didn't have to sell. I wonder if Disney promised one thing and then did another just to get the rights to Star Wars in their position.
George Lucas: "If I sell to you, please promise me you will put these stories up on the big screen using the best talent out there".
Mickey Mouse: "Of course we will George, I would never lie to you."
Lucas walks away and in the background can hear Mickey Mouse laughing and throwing Lucas's ideas in the trash can.
Here is Mark Hamill in 1983 talking about the sequel trilogy.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Or maybe Lucas just wrote junk like he did twenty years ago and this time somebody could call a spade a spade.
Tigger1988
Well-Known Member
No one has faith in George Lucas anymore and looking at the ads for Strange Magic I don't see how anyone could blame us.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
I find that an interesting statement. In light of all the comments on how Walt Disney would not be welcome in Igers Disney Company is such an awful thing. It is a different era. George Lucas being excluded from a project that he actually created and made famous. Now, he's not wanted or needed and he's still alive. Didn't the same thing happen to Steve Jobs and Apple? The very place that he created and built from the ground up, and he was no longer thought to be necessary in running the company. It's a strange world!
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
I remember when someone took "photos" of the supposed outline of the original trilogy by George Lucas.
It was a small book full of scribbles and a written mess.
Jumped from ideas to ideas but never had a real ordered outline.
So what you mentioned is true imho.
George just made things as they went. and others added a lot to fix the holes too.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
He still returned to apple and transformed Apple into a hipster and "high end" brand with insane income.