hpyhnt 1000
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Not really. The old hub image is taken in front of the Crystal Palace. The new hub image is over by the Tomorrowland Noodle Station. So different ends of the area.
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Not really. The old hub image is taken in front of the Crystal Palace. The new hub image is over by the Tomorrowland Noodle Station. So different ends of the area.
the.dreamfinder
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hpyhnt 1000
Well-Known Member
A bit more accurate comparison:
Anyway, back to the important stuff. That China news on the graft arrest is VERY interesting. Really hope someone in a position to write some thing makes the connection between the tourist zone and Disney and the $800 million and starts asking questions. It's all circumstantial, but it sure is a lot of coincidences that all seem to line up.
This whole story was just a bit of smoke a few weeks ago and it just became a nice little brush fire. Wouldn't take much it looks like for it to become a raging inferno.
Anyway, back to the important stuff. That China news on the graft arrest is VERY interesting. Really hope someone in a position to write some thing makes the connection between the tourist zone and Disney and the $800 million and starts asking questions. It's all circumstantial, but it sure is a lot of coincidences that all seem to line up.
This whole story was just a bit of smoke a few weeks ago and it just became a nice little brush fire. Wouldn't take much it looks like for it to become a raging inferno.
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Phil12
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But Gary Snyder doesn't work for Viacom.
I think I've been in the bottleneck at Disneyland too often, which is horrible. The one at MK never bugged me too much.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
He's a member of the redstone family who controls viacom
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Option E - If any portion of the $800MM ended up in the hands of the Chinese officials hands and can be linked back to Iger, not only will Wall Street like Iger less but Iger will be the target of a civil, criminal and SEC investigation.Let me just talk through this, and help me if I've misunderstood:
So This is how I'm understanding of this whole Shanghai thing:
Iger has potentially gotten involved with a corrupt member of the Chinese government, who gained personally from construction such as Disneyland. The government are now investigating and if he has gotten into dodgy water then it could have serious repercussions on him, and the company.
The Chinese have a majority ownership of the resort, and are now rubbing it into Iger's face? Now Iger has to pretend that he still has control of the situation, but China basically owns this now. (Also I'm guessing Gary is the Viacom chief?)
So did Iger's believe this park would help the relationship Disney has with China? Instead, has it opened him to humiliation. And does this have the potential to ruin his career at Disney?
If I've understood right, then:
A) Wall Street are going to love him a little less
B) the Disney board might avoid a yes man next time they choose his successor
C) Disney has more or less given China access to their IPs and that's potentially very bad news for them
D) they have gained nothing from this venture
Please correct me if I've got this wrong?
P.S. Also, imagine how good this would be as a House of Cards style political drama. Heck, just cast Kevin spacey as Iger doing the Frank underwood stuff!
if that's the case, every taxpayer in the US (and any any other country)is in the same boat.
Phil12
Well-Known Member
Which raises the question again, what's his angle?
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
You take the good with the bad. Universal builds E-tickets at lightning speed, but you have to be strip-searched to ride them.
spacemt354
Chili's
But is it "beautiful". It used to be beautiful.
Now it's a flophouse.
You do realize the two images you've posted are taken from completely different angles and at different crowd levels during the day. Not only is the area still not complete but there appears to be some type of show or display in front of the castle, that everyone is viewing in the second photo, which is why there are so many people in the area.
Again, criticism is valid, but there's a way to do it properly.
spacemt354
Chili's
I'm still confused. The only way Tomorrowland is (barely) visible is when you exit Adventureland. And if you look at the concept art, you will see that there will be more trees planted in that area as I mentioned. Nevertheless, as you exit Adventureland you can see the Crystal Palace and the Castle. You've always been able to see them.
How is that any different?
PhotoDave219
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But is it "beautiful". It used to be beautiful.
Now it's a flophouse.
Oh look! A tree!
gmajew
Premium Member
The China thing now got interesting. As we have more of the story and why and what may go bad now.
It is still not all doom and gloom and a lot of people guessing China is playing dirty now that this is out to disney.
We truly don't know yet. Will it get ugly my guess now would be yes but do any of us know for sure no!
Also I would love to see the contract showing the control of the IP. My guess would be the IP would be allowed to be used but only per tight guidelines from disney. And any exception would have right to pull clauses.
Hard to do but any company would have it. And if China governement screws to much with it our governement will apply pressure back. It is why all of this is so scary. Something this dumb could fray relations with us for a long time.
It is still not all doom and gloom and a lot of people guessing China is playing dirty now that this is out to disney.
We truly don't know yet. Will it get ugly my guess now would be yes but do any of us know for sure no!
Also I would love to see the contract showing the control of the IP. My guess would be the IP would be allowed to be used but only per tight guidelines from disney. And any exception would have right to pull clauses.
Hard to do but any company would have it. And if China governement screws to much with it our governement will apply pressure back. It is why all of this is so scary. Something this dumb could fray relations with us for a long time.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Let me just talk through this, and help me if I've misunderstood:
So This is how I'm understanding of this whole Shanghai thing:
Iger has potentially gotten involved with a corrupt member of the Chinese government, who gained personally from construction such as Disneyland. The government are now investigating and if he has gotten into dodgy water then it could have serious repercussions on him, and the company.
The Chinese have a majority ownership of the resort, and are now rubbing it into Iger's face? Now Iger has to pretend that he still has control of the situation, but China basically owns this now. (Also I'm guessing Gary is the Viacom chief?)
So did Iger's believe this park would help the relationship Disney has with China? Instead, has it opened him to humiliation. And does this have the potential to ruin his career at Disney?
If I've understood right, then:
A) Wall Street are going to love him a little less
B) the Disney board might avoid a yes man next time they choose his successor
C) Disney has more or less given China access to their IPs and that's potentially very bad news for them
D) they have gained nothing from this venture
Please correct me if I've got this wrong?
P.S. Also, imagine how good this would be as a House of Cards style political drama. Heck, just cast Kevin spacey as Iger doing the Frank underwood stuff!
Excellent way of summing up. Nicely done.
Now, now, you can't go and bring common sense and logic in here.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Let me just talk through this, and help me if I've misunderstood:
So This is how I'm understanding of this whole Shanghai thing:
Iger has potentially gotten involved with a corrupt member of the Chinese government, who gained personally from construction such as Disneyland. The government are now investigating and if he has gotten into dodgy water then it could have serious repercussions on him, and the company.
The Chinese have a majority ownership of the resort, and are now rubbing it into Iger's face? Now Iger has to pretend that he still has control of the situation, but China basically owns this now. (Also I'm guessing Gary is the Viacom chief?)
So did Iger's believe this park would help the relationship Disney has with China? Instead, has it opened him to humiliation. And does this have the potential to ruin his career at Disney?
If I've understood right, then:
A) Wall Street are going to love him a little less
B) the Disney board might avoid a yes man next time they choose his successor
C) Disney has more or less given China access to their IPs and that's potentially very bad news for them
D) they have gained nothing from this venture
Please correct me if I've got this wrong?
P.S. Also, imagine how good this would be as a House of Cards style political drama. Heck, just cast Kevin spacey as Iger doing the Frank underwood stuff!
Excellent summary
On item A Wall St is going to like him a LOT less!
matt9112
Well-Known Member
A bit more accurate comparison:
Anyway, back to the important stuff. That China news on the graft arrest is VERY interesting. Really hope someone in a position to write some thing makes the connection between the tourist zone and Disney and the $800 million and starts asking questions. It's all circumstantial, but it sure is a lot of coincidences that all seem to line up.
This whole story was just a bit of smoke a few weeks ago and it just became a nice little brush fire. Wouldn't take much it looks like for it to become a raging inferno.
honestly i dont mind the lack of boats for what its worth...if those trees grow a bit it will be ok....less trees is really just a theme park trend guys....the classic park feel just is going away.
Cesar R M
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next movie title.. AVENGERS.. HYPERBOLIC WARS..
IRON MAN MICKEY FINDS A SECRET PLOTHOLE IN WDW1974's STORY AND PUNCHES VIACOM IN THE NEITHERLANDS.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Same as any other big business deal Money and Power.