A Spirited Perfect Ten

[CaptainAmerica]

I guess I've just never witnessed the claims of CP kids acting a fool in the parks. During my stint, we had fun and managed to have it in a respectful way without embarrassing ourselves or the company. Perhaps I'm just blissfully unaware of the "drunks fools staggering through the park screaming about Cinderella boning the Photopass guy from Epcot the night before cuz she got too messed up at the wild cast member party."

Fair enough. I was a local from 2011 - 2014 and was at the park frequently, often with (professional) cast member friends. Maybe my friends pointed things out to me that I wouldn't have otherwise noticed and then I started looking for it.

 

[Cesar R M]

There were a few yesterday from what I hear. Which prompted this:

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• 71jason
• Mar 27, 2015

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• 71jason
• Mar 27, 2015

Clearly someone in the Poly has a sense of humor.

I dont know why I imagine a bunch of guys waiting for the walls to go down, just for the CM to stamp that paper.

I bet lifestylers would pull an apple (aka try to sleep right outside until the place is open)

 

[71jason]

I would host people from out of town and literally could not get to the bar at the AC because of lifestylers sitting on the stools. There was no show going on in the big room. They were waiting and hanging out. Were they ordering drinks while sitting on the stools? No. They were bothering the bartender to press the button to make the stool go down all the while there was a line of people waiting to buy real drinks with real money. Son of a b*tch it still makes me so mad!

The AC is an odd case and I hate to use it for comparison purposes. It seems 95% of online Disney fans only found in its final few years (internet and all), when, like the Dole Whip and fireworks on Poly beach before and Orange Bird after, it became the "hip" Disney thing. The final year or so of its existence, it was inundated with CPs under 21, because suddenly they were frozen out of every other PI venue. And once the closing was announced, well, the lifestylers went into overdrive in an attempt to somehow save the venue.

What I'm saying is AdvClub 1989 - 2007 was very different from 2008 - 2009. And while it could get busy, especially the early years, and always had regulars (most of whom drank their weight in liquor), it wasn't until the end that the non-paying Disney-obsessed fans took over. I think the opposite will happen with Sam's. Heavy Disney-fan presence at first, tapering off within a month or two, tops. Except for Gay Day, Marathon Sunday, the occasional Skipper's birthday, etc.

 

[RSoxNo1]

What's the solution to overcrowding at the Magic Kingdom? More attractions that add capacity will draw additional guests to eat up that capacity and then some. It's a catch-22.

A good first step would actually be a crackdown on Main Entrance Pass privileges for CPs, Seasonals, and part-timers. Let those people admit themselves but no guests unless they have a resort reservation. They don't spend any money on merchandise or F&B anyways, so what's there to lose?

This is the same argument as the third tracks for Soarin' and Toy Story Mania. Adding to the capacity of individual rides helps solve the problem at those rides, but it doesn't eliminate the need to add more attractions. At the larger scale, MK needs more capacity with the additions of more rides, but by itself it doesn't solve the problem. New attractions also need to be added to the other parks as well.

 

[dizneycrazy09]

Fair enough. I was a local from 2011 - 2014 and was at the park frequently, often with (professional) cast member friends. Maybe my friends pointed things out to me that I wouldn't have otherwise noticed and then I started looking for it.

Much to my dismay, I will probably be looking for it now as well. Thanks for ruining my bliss

 

[NearTheEars]

what about system crashes?

Thankfully I have not experienced one yet, only read about it. Obviously if/when I do, that will certainly shape my opinion of the system.

 

[71jason]

I agree that the CP remains terribly flawed. The entire culture of the program promotes the "take a semester off and party in Disney World" attitude.

I know, right? Why don't they stress the educational opportunities of working in a job close to your related field of study?

Oh yeah. Because you'll work as a janitor or blow bubbles all day.

 

[Rasvar]

What I'm saying is AdvClub 1989 - 2007 was very different from 2008 - 2009. And while it could get busy, especially the early years, and always had regulars (most of whom drank their weight in liquor), it wasn't until the end that the non-paying Disney-obsessed fans took over. I think the opposite will happen with Sam's. Heavy Disney-fan presence at first, tapering off within a month or two, tops. Except for Gay Day, Marathon Sunday, the occasional Skipper's birthday, etc.

I'll concur with this. I was pretty regular in the club from 89 until around 2003. Lack of new content had things going a bit stale for me. I would still stop in until it closed, but the last few years AC seemed to be a lot harder for me to deal with. I usually liked to settle into a chair and "drink my weight in liquor" all night long and enjoy the show (both cast and guests) and conversation. It got to the point where even getting a drink was getting tough.

 

[71jason]

Think ***** (no rhyme intended).

Seriously, in what language is the acronym for "Double Income, No Kids" a dirty word?

 

[Funmeister]

The AC is an odd case and I hate to use it for comparison purposes. It seems 95% of online Disney fans only found in its final few years (internet and all), when, like the Dole Whip and fireworks on Poly beach before and Orange Bird after, it became the "hip" Disney thing. The final year or so of its existence, it was inundated with CPs under 21, because suddenly they were frozen out of every other PI venue. And once the closing was announced, well, the lifestylers went into overdrive in an attempt to somehow save the venue.

What I'm saying is AdvClub 1989 - 2007 was very different from 2008 - 2009. And while it could get busy, especially the early years, and always had regulars (most of whom drank their weight in liquor), it wasn't until the end that the non-paying Disney-obsessed fans took over. I think the opposite will happen with Sam's. Heavy Disney-fan presence at first, tapering off within a month or two, tops. Except for Gay Day, Marathon Sunday, the occasional Skipper's birthday, etc.

I understand what you are saying but....um....I was talking about 1997 when I worked in marketing (for Disney) and would host clients there. It was a problem as far back as then I am sorry to say. Maybe not to the same level but it was still a problem.

 

[Cesar R M]

They're even worse when tacked on to a game that already cost you $60 to buy.

like those half finished and half content Call of Duty games?

 

[Cesar R M]

Thankfully I have not experienced one yet, only read about it. Obviously if/when I do, that will certainly shape my opinion of the system.

well, like I had said before, I was there in feb.. not that much crowds.. yet the system crashed A LOT on the weekend.

the system is definitively not for primetime.. yet they shoved it anyway.
Probably due of budgets or financial pushes

 

[PhotoDave219]

A lot of people would say that's good show.

Sounds like she regained her working-class values…

 

[Funmeister]

You Obviously have no idea. CP CM's work both low level and higher level positions. Most of the regular cast members under 35 were once CP's as well btw. For that matter CP's are regularly made trainers, coordinators and other positions of authority. Now sure there are some idiots amongst the thousands of CP's but for the most part everyone works their butts off.

You are delusional. You sound like one of the CP's who came down thinking everything was Mickey Mouse and pixie dust only to realize it was a business. A business with a real side of sweeping up voban on hot concrete after a rain storm. A real business of having to work overnight for a Night of Joy. A reality of not being able to watch a parade because you had to restock shelves before the last rush of the night. Get off your pity party. Poor baby...did you not get your sugar cookie while waiting in line to get your resin Cast frame during the Cast Christmas party or was that before your time? Entitlement...>SMH< You are one of those that the Company can never do enough.

 

[flynnibus]

Oh yeah. Because you'll work as a janitor or blow bubbles all day.

well you can network inbetween toilet swabs... that's valuable

 

[Smiddimizer]

Call me crazy, but I feel like Star Wars would be a better fit as a Tomorrowland replacement instead of at DHS.

If you can bear with me here, think of how the four original lands at DL could loosely provide the basis for the four parks at WDW...

Fantasyland= MK (brands, fairy tales)
Tomorrowland = Epcot (the realistic future, and the fantasy futures of the past)
Frontierland = DHS (re theme the park as an idealistic vision of the American dream, with old Hollywood, old New York, and the Old West....plus animation and Pixar. Call it Disney's American Adventure, I don't know)
Adventureland = AK

I know Walt didn't really intend for it to be a melting pot for brands, but good or bad that's the current Reality of Fantasyland. Sorry for the imagineering tangent.

 

[Funmeister]

Call me crazy, but I feel like Star Wars would be a better fit as a Tomorrowland replacement instead of at DHS.

If you can bear with me here, think of how the four original lands at DL could loosely provide the basis for the four parks at WDW...

Fantasyland= MK (brands, fairy tales)
Tomorrowland = Epcot (the realistic future, and the fantasy futures of the past)
Frontierland = DHS (re theme the park as an idealistic vision of the American dream, with old Hollywood, old New York, and the Old West....plus animation and Pixar. Call it Disney's American Adventure, I don't know)
Adventureland = AK

I know Walt didn't really intend for it to be a melting pot for brands, but good or bad that's the current Reality of Fantasyland. Sorry for the imagineering tangent.

CRAZY! lol If I remember... "A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far, far, away..." Doesn't really have that futuristic land of tomorrow feel to me.

 

[sporadic]

You are delusional. You sound like one of the CP's who came down thinking everything was Mickey Mouse and pixie dust only to realize it was a business. A business with a real side of sweeping up voban on hot concrete after a rain storm. A real business of having to work overnight for a Night of Joy. A reality of not being able to watch a parade because you had to restock shelves before the last rush of the night. Get off your pity party. Poor baby...did you not get your sugar cookie while waiting in line to get your resin Cast frame during the Cast Christmas party or was that before your time? Entitlement...>SMH< You are one of those that the Company can never do enough.

Sounds like someone got sprinkled with something that wasn't pixie dust. I don't get how anything he was saying implies entitlement?

EDIT: I meant entitlement by the negative definition (2) of course. Are CPs / CMs not in fact entitled to park access as part of the benefits / compensation? Sounds to me like it's just someone who was proud of their job.

entitlement
noun en·ti·tle·ment \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\
1) the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
2) the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
3) a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group

 

[flynnibus]

CRAZY! lol If I remember... "A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far, far, away..." Doesn't really have that futuristic land of tomorrow feel to me.

Someone else's past... may be our future

 

[Funmeister]

Someone else's past... may be our future

There was a bit of sarcasm...hard to relay that.