A Spirited Perfect Ten

rael ramone

Well-Known Member
I think you will see a strong correlation between those who play fantasy sports (not the FanDuel gambling variety) but those who are hard core players who have more interest in managing their virtual 'team' and those that will be willing to pay 20 bucks for a ESPN. Perhaps 10-15% of total cable subscribers.

Looks like they have another idea for 'content'...

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3032586-espn-opens-websites-e-sports-section-investing-in-coverage

What's next, Dungeons & Dragons tournaments?
 

JediMasterMatt

Well-Known Member
Well my latest addition.. Metallica Pro.. is waiting for some hard-core modding.. \^^/

Sweet. Metallica (and maybe AC/DC) and Tron (I own that one) are the only modern Sterns I like. I currently have my game room full (even had to kick out my MAME cabinet) with pins. The current lineup is: Twilight Zone, Addams Family, Funhouse, Attack from Mars, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Indiana Jones Pin Adventure, Star Wars (Data East), and Tron. I'm debating about swapping my TOTAN out for a Wizard of Oz in the next few weeks.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Looks like they have another idea for 'content'...

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3032586-espn-opens-websites-e-sports-section-investing-in-coverage

What's next, Dungeons & Dragons tournaments?

While the contestants don't have the curb appeal of some other sports.. the amount of airtime people spend on places like twitch.tv watching gaming would blow people's minds. HOURS and HOURS and HOURS. A sample is the event Games Done Quick. They were just here in town for their annual event.. 24/7 streaming for a WEEK of people doing marathons, speed runs, etc. Just through people watching the stream.. they collected over $1.2 million for the charity to prevent cancer. At peaks they had over 220k viewers simultaneously...

Trust me, the demographic is not your madison ave favorites.. but interest is out there - http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/13/11-amazing-speedruns-from-awesome-games-done-quick-2016
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
After our trip in Dec to WDW... that was our general conclusion as well. DLR was decorated better, and of course the seasonal overlays are better. I personally like MK's castle better, but decorations in DLR seem to be all over the parks, while at WDW it seemed to be narrowly done.

My overall was.. WDW at holidays.. not worth a special trip. DLR was a nice icing on the top..
I think the fireworks specials are pretty much what makes it worth.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Why is the rotation joystick of interest? They're not unique to the Magic Kingdom.
I know its not unique.. but considering how many feel its the inferior design with the fixed guns, and how with the hand-held guns no one seems to use the stick.. that its still part of the design in a park that isn't just a carbon clone.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
I know its not unique.. but considering how many feel its the inferior design with the fixed guns, and how with the hand-held guns no one seems to use the stick.. that its still part of the design in a park that isn't just a carbon clone.
so, The new design could be like MIB at Universal?
while you do not control the car, you have full angle to shot your pistol.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
While the contestants don't have the curb appeal of some other sports.. the amount of airtime people spend on places like twitch.tv watching gaming would blow people's minds. HOURS and HOURS and HOURS. A sample is the event Games Done Quick. They were just here in town for their annual event.. 24/7 streaming for a WEEK of people doing marathons, speed runs, etc. Just through people watching the stream.. they collected over $1.2 million for the charity to prevent cancer. At peaks they had over 220k viewers simultaneously...

Trust me, the demographic is not your madison ave favorites.. but interest is out there - http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/13/11-amazing-speedruns-from-awesome-games-done-quick-2016

No question there is interest but that interest is probably best served by Internet based services who can deliver a tailored experience as opposed to a mass market platform like ESPN.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
While the contestants don't have the curb appeal of some other sports.. the amount of airtime people spend on places like twitch.tv watching gaming would blow people's minds. HOURS and HOURS and HOURS. A sample is the event Games Done Quick. They were just here in town for their annual event.. 24/7 streaming for a WEEK of people doing marathons, speed runs, etc. Just through people watching the stream.. they collected over $1.2 million for the charity to prevent cancer. At peaks they had over 220k viewers simultaneously...

It's even more amazing to me than the "fantasy sports" craze. I mean, watching someone else play video games used to be a punishment for not having enough controllers or for games that didn't allow two players LOL. Yet, people just sit and watch people play video games all day long.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
According to the article/survey, 56% won't pay $8 for ESPN & ESPN2. Then to maintain price, the price goes up to $20 a home. And only 6% would pay $20.

The question then is how much will that 6% have to pay for ESPN to maintain certain profit levels.

Let's say 10 million homes pay $8 a month for both channels - resulting in $80 million in fees (I'm using 10 million for ease of math).

Only 4.4 million are willing to pay that $8 a la carte. For $20 a month for those my math comes out to $88 million (there could be other factors that they are weighing in). EDIT: Actually its based on another WP reporter saying 30% switching to an online ESPN service would need to charge $20.

But only 600,000 of those 10 million homes will pay $20 a month. 600,000 x $20 comes out to a mere $12 mil (down from $80 mil).

How many people are willing to pay $133 a month for two sports channels, when you can get sports content from the 4 over the air networks, Fox Sports, TBS, CBS Sports, NBC Sports, Big 10 network....

And what does that do to ESPN ad rates?

Maybe they'll be a sequel to the ESPN 30 for 30 film 'Broke', but will interview ESPN executives :eek:

They're going to move to a begging-for-content model, otherwise known as "give it to us for free"
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I know its not unique.. but considering how many feel its the inferior design with the fixed guns, and how with the hand-held guns no one seems to use the stick.. that its still part of the design in a park that isn't just a carbon clone.
Being in-the-round is the only thing that really has set the Buzz Lightyear rides apart from other shooter rides.

so, The new design could be like MIB at Universal?
while you do not control the car, you have full angle to shot your pistol.
No, the joystick to turn the vehicle is visible in the photo so you do control the car. The gun being fixed to the car like the Magic Kingdom is not related to that feature.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
I know its not unique.. but considering how many feel its the inferior design with the fixed guns, and how with the hand-held guns no one seems to use the stick.. that its still part of the design in a park that isn't just a carbon clone.
I think fixed guns are a deliberate design choice. It forces the rider to move the car, rather than the gun, which greatly enhances the experience.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No, the joystick to turn the vehicle is visible in the photo so you do control the car. The gun being fixed to the car like the Magic Kingdom is not related to that feature.

Why do you feel the need to repeat what I already know? As I said in the earlier post "how with the hand-held guns no one seems to use the stick"

Disney makes design updates all the time when cloning stuff. I just found it interesting they've kept the rider controlled spinning car (which clearly is more complex/cost) in bringing this attraction over in a park that is not just direct clones. And in doing so keeping a feature that has feature that has been largely panned and is ignored by most. It's mostly redundant when people have the free rein of the gun, and the moving of the vehicle could have been made automatic and simplified.. or even replaced by another attempt at improving the ride concept.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I think fixed guns are a deliberate design choice. It forces the rider to move the car, rather than the gun, which greatly enhances the experience.

I agree with the principle.. but it's not what happens in practice. That's why I say it's a failed feature (that is complex and expensive) and given the opportunity to redo the ride or optimize it.. this feature remained the same.
 

Rodan75

Well-Known Member
According to the article/survey, 56% won't pay $8 for ESPN & ESPN2. Then to maintain price, the price goes up to $20 a home. And only 6% would pay $20.

The question then is how much will that 6% have to pay for ESPN to maintain certain profit levels.

Let's say 10 million homes pay $8 a month for both channels - resulting in $80 million in fees (I'm using 10 million for ease of math).

Only 4.4 million are willing to pay that $8 a la carte. For $20 a month for those my math comes out to $88 million (there could be other factors that they are weighing in). EDIT: Actually its based on another WP reporter saying 30% switching to an online ESPN service would need to charge $20.

But only 600,000 of those 10 million homes will pay $20 a month. 600,000 x $20 comes out to a mere $12 mil (down from $80 mil).

How many people are willing to pay $133 a month for two sports channels, when you can get sports content from the 4 over the air networks, Fox Sports, TBS, CBS Sports, NBC Sports, Big 10 network....

And what does that do to ESPN ad rates?

Maybe they'll be a sequel to the ESPN 30 for 30 film 'Broke', but will interview ESPN executives :eek:


Anyone else think it is hilarious that the Washington Post is reporting on a slow collapse of an old big media institution and making it sound much worse than it actually is. If the media prognosticators had their way the WP would have been out of business nearly a decade ago.

It is true that ESPN will shrink, but as it shrinks it will still be the largest most dominant player since everyone else will shrink faster and more dramatically. I think these news reports are correct in stating that ESPN will no longer be the growth engine of TWDC, however, there is no need to panic and throw ESPN's profitability out the window. And ESPN shouldn't do anything that would hasten negative impacts to its profitability.

Someone really needs to turn the cord cutting spotlight back to the cable companies and figure out why $50-$60 worth of transmission fees = $140 cable bill. $7 for ESPN isn't the real issue with Cable/Linear video bills.
 

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