A Spirited Perfect Ten

lazyboy97o

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I have to agree. the Media started to exaggerate beyond belief with their fear bombardment.. because they know FEAR sells.
I wonder if soon we will start to become completely apathetic and uninterested towards fear based "news".
I mean, a fine example is car drivers.. who.. thanks to the bombardment of too many signage.. that they automatically "ignore" the road signs! I remember reading a story about this.
That the brain just " gets used" too much when things are everywhere.. that they start to become invisible for the brain itself.

you're missing the point.
I'm not sure you get the point. Being desensitized would negate the need for an escape because the overbearing stimuli are already being ignored.

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How is that shifting? Are the Thea Award recipients some secret that is not discussed in public? Maybe you should also keep reading. The "doubter" in this case is pushing the "Disney is a bidness" argument you love to mock.
 
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lazyboy97o

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I actually wonder his reasons.. was Walt aware of his health or was frail of health during the creation of that Walt Inc thing?
Could be there another reason? Could he imagine that Disneyland was finally stable enough to start "farming" it and think "life after the Mouse" ?
The company, which became WED Enterprises, was created a few years prior to Disneyland opening. It was all about two things: financial stability independent of the studio and preparing for Disneyland.
 

zooey

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Very much so. I know a few people who can wallpaper their house with some NDAs.
I've always been curious why people in the know would leak info in the first place. Not the people that post here but all of their contacts. Do the contacts risk their job by doing so or is it more of an understood thing and simply frowned upon within the company or do they just feel very confident in staying anonymous? If it could ever be harmful to their career I don't understand why they would. I'm glad they do don't get me wrong I'm just curious about the motivation.
 

PhotoDave219

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I've always been curious why people in the know would leak info in the first place. Not the people that post here but all of their contacts. Do the contacts risk their job by doing so or is it more of an understood thing and simply frowned upon within the company or do they just feel very confident in staying anonymous? If it could ever be harmful to their career I don't understand why they would. I'm glad they do don't get me wrong I'm just curious about the motivation.

Philosophical questions are down the hall, past the water fountain, make a right, Pass Hop, make another right and find a mansion. Ask for Leota. She knows.
 

AEfx

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I've always been curious why people in the know would leak info in the first place. Not the people that post here but all of their contacts. Do the contacts risk their job by doing so or is it more of an understood thing and simply frowned upon within the company or do they just feel very confident in staying anonymous? If it could ever be harmful to their career I don't understand why they would. I'm glad they do don't get me wrong I'm just curious about the motivation.

Some are in it for "glory" or "kudos" - some simply are in it because they were on the "fan side" once and know how much it means to people. There are those that have their own agenda sometimes, intentionally leaking something they know the fan base will get riled up about in an attempt to induce them to make enough noise to prompt TPTB to make changes. There are many, many reasons (and I'd think most people have some combination of them). I think most of them are on the "up and up" and wouldn't actually leak anything that could be damaging to the company, simply informational.

Given how simple it is to get info out there in a sophisticated enough manner it's really not a "danger" to most folks, generally. The folks that do it smart either funnel information through others they trust, time things so they don't clash (you don't post something the day you get told it, for example), or they don't make 'personal' posts with the same handle/username/etc. For instance, if you posted an "insider info" post and then mention that you have to go feed your dog Spot and go pick up your girlfriend who works at the MK ticket booth, LOL, you are cruising for a bruising (if it's true and not misdirection).

From my understanding here, the reason Disney has gotten so irritable this time is because a) Star Wars (biggest thing like ever) and b) the person(s) who made some recent leaks were way too overzealous and inexperienced, revealing more about themselves/sources than would have been advisable. It's slightly understandable as this is the topic of the decade, if not the century, when it comes to WDW - and theme parks overall - but that's the time that in retrospect, more caution should have been taken versus less due to the excitement.
 

Cesar R M

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Very much so. I know a few people who can wallpaper their house with some NDAs.
Your reply reminds me of a guy back in the 2000's, who instead of using bathroom tiles.. he used free AOL cds to cover his bathroom. :hilarious:

http://www.collegehumor.com/tag/aol-cds

I've always been curious why people in the know would leak info in the first place. Not the people that post here but all of their contacts. Do the contacts risk their job by doing so or is it more of an understood thing and simply frowned upon within the company or do they just feel very confident in staying anonymous? If it could ever be harmful to their career I don't understand why they would. I'm glad they do don't get me wrong I'm just curious about the motivation.
Well, you would also wonder the same about whistleblowers.. everyone has their reasons.
 

Phil12

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I actually wonder his reasons.. was Walt aware of his health or was frail of health during the creation of that Walt Inc thing?
Could be there another reason? Could he imagine that Disneyland was finally stable enough to start "farming" it and think "life after the Mouse" ?
The reasons for Walt's behavior are clear. I think we all remember the Oswald the Lucky Rabbit incident of 1928. Even though Walt had made a small fortune with Snow White in 1938 he was then faced with the cartoonist strike in 1941. Walt's career had been a checkerboard of successes and failures. He wanted something to insulate himself and his family from the hard times.

Unfortunately (as proven in the Clement Melancon lawsuit) Walt went too far in extracting money from both the studios and Disneyland into his own private company. I think people forget that Walt was not a majority owner in either the studios or in Disneyland so he had no compunctions about taking money from both:
http://www.joshuakennon.com/wed-enterprises-inc-the-private-family-holding-company-of-walt-disney/

Walt seemed to think it was his right to siphon money away from both companies but his brother Roy helped to correct some of Walt's financial misdeeds.
 
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PhotoDave219

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Some are in it for "glory" or "kudos" - some simply are in it because they were on the "fan side" once and know how much it means to people. There are those that have their own agenda sometimes, intentionally leaking something they know the fan base will get riled up about in an attempt to induce them to make enough noise to prompt TPTB to make changes. There are many, many reasons (and I'd think most people have some combination of them). I think most of them are on the "up and up" and wouldn't actually leak anything that could be damaging to the company, simply informational.

Given how simple it is to get info out there in a sophisticated enough manner it's really not a "danger" to most folks, generally. The folks that do it smart either funnel information through others they trust, time things so they don't clash (you don't post something the day you get told it, for example), or they don't make 'personal' posts with the same handle/username/etc. For instance, if you posted an "insider info" post and then mention that you have to go feed your dog Spot and go pick up your girlfriend who works at the MK ticket booth, LOL, you are cruising for a bruising (if it's true and not misdirection).

From my understanding here, the reason Disney has gotten so irritable this time is because a) Star Wars (biggest thing like ever) and b) the person(s) who made some recent leaks were way too overzealous and inexperienced, revealing more about themselves/sources than would have been advisable. It's slightly understandable as this is the topic of the decade, if not the century, when it comes to WDW - and theme parks overall - but that's the time that in retrospect, more caution should have been taken versus less due to the excitement.
Mice, as they say.

Money. Ideology. Conscience. Ego.
 

lazyboy97o

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Considering you ignored the part where I mention "I WONDER".. and then added an example.. (aka I was wondering, not stating a fact or claiming it will happen)...
No surprise @PhotoDave219 as you on ignore.
I didn't ignore anything. You're wonderings are a true, factual statement. Desensitization is real. But it is a concept that undermines the supposed business need for Disney to be a place of mindless escape. That's the topic you jumped into.

Im still confused as to why you are making a big stink to support the "Disney is a bidness" argument you continually love to mock.
 

lazyboy97o

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Because the " But Disney is a Business" wasnt used to shut down the opposition or terminate the conversation. Hell, I have yet to see that exact phrase in the conversation.
which means another image macro!

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The argument (because I never said the phrase was used) is right there at the outset in a post you Liked:
In today's world, most people won't pay for that, most people won't wait in line for that. I might, you might, others might, but again, not nearly enough to keep a business running.

And oddly enough, the whole issue of the viability of edutainment is a strawman argument in regards to the distinction of 'escapism' versus 'reassurance' (my original point).
 
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doctornick

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Why? You've already said you don't count examples because that is not indicative of revenue.

So, to be clear, despite being repeatedly asked (and again and again and again) to list specific examples to support your claim that "education entertainment is dead at Disney but thriving in the industry" you have refused to do so. Why don't you actually list them? You made a claim; back it up if you expect to be taken seriously.
 

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