A Spirited Perfect Ten

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
Hey, wanna see the newest reason that Bob Iger should be booted out of the company?


I don't get this show.
I've only seen the trailer, but didn't all these people die horribly before reproducing?

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VulcanCafe

Active Member
Hey, wanna see the newest reason that Bob Iger should be booted out of the company?
I watched the beginning online, it was brutal. That said I'm not in the target demo at all.

It performed huge and will likely be a series.

Add 6.6m live viewers plus 1.4m online app viewers and 'premiere night viewership for Descendants would eclipse the 7.7 million who tuned in for the TV premiere of the first High School Musical movie in 2006' Source: http://deadline.com/2015/08/descendants-premiere-ratings-disney-channel-1201489249/

It will be a money printing machine.
 

FigmentJedi

Well-Known Member
I watched the beginning online, it was brutal. That said I'm not in the target demo at all.

It performed huge and will likely be a series.

Add 6.6m live viewers plus 1.4m online app viewers and 'premiere night viewership for Descendants would eclipse the 7.7 million who tuned in for the TV premiere of the first High School Musical movie in 2006' Source: http://deadline.com/2015/08/descendants-premiere-ratings-disney-channel-1201489249/

It will be a money printing machine.
Unfortunately, it already is a series. They're doing a CG shorts series. Looks totally not like a cash-in on Monster High or anything...
 

gmajew

Premium Member
Unfortunately, it already is a series. They're doing a CG shorts series. Looks totally not like a cash-in on Monster High or anything...


It will stay a move franchise for them... talk is of a second movie. I watched it Sunday with my kids it is as bad as high school musical etc but my 7 year old loved it my 11 year old liked parts...

The main girl is the current hot property they are trying to push on the disney channel with her show and now this is her second disney channel movie. She is the new Selena or Miley for the channel right now.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Im just gonna go through your post point by point and I'll break it up into 2 separate posts as to not create a wall of text and please dont take offense as Im only offering my counter points and mot importantly, just my opinion. Im not trying to prove you wrong or be a jack azz although it may come across that way.

it really does make everything so much easier. You have a better shot of guaranteeing access to certain attractions, you don't HAVE to spend all afternoon waiting in winding queues, standing, drenched in sweat
Im a bit confused by this. You only have 3 FP+ selections per day. Unless your only experiencing 3 attractions per day, you are still going to wait in a winding queue, standing, for everything else, including the FP+ kiosk machine to get another FP+ after your initial 3. As far as being drenched in sweat, thats gonna happen in the hot Florida sun as soon as you walk 50 feet or more regardless of using FP+ or not.

For the discussion on revenue generation of MM+, I think a lot of people are missing the key change MM+ has had on park behavior. People don't spend all day in lines waiting for rides. Guests "wait" for rides in gift shops, restaurants, in the walkways, and see street entertainment.
FWIW, nobody here missed that. That discussion has been had, and beaten to a bloody pulp, many times. But again, this goes back to my first comment. You only have 3 FP+ per day, and while that does save some time, your far from having an entire day of "no waiting in lines". The FP+ selections usually fall into a certain part of the day, (morning, afternoon, or evening), so if you use your FP+ selections in the morning, the rest of your day is straight up old school waiting in line, and yes, even in line at kiosk to obtain additional FP+.

I dont think "park behavior" is any different. You make it seem as if every park guest automatically goes to a gift shop or ice cream stand while "waiting" for their FP+ window. Most are cramming in more attractions. People loved Mickey Ice cream bars before FP+ and they arent going to buy more than normal simply because they are waiting for their FP+ window. How was legacy FP any different? You still had to wait for your return time. Did people not know the shops and ice cream stands existed back then while they were waiting for their return window, the same way they wait for their FP+ window now? And the fact that Disney hasnt added much in terms of UNIQUE merchandise to the shops that people are supposedly "waiting in" doesnt give the guest much of a selection to browse through. Most of the shops sell the exact same thing, so after day one of a trip, youve already seen most of the merch available. There will always be parents who will buy their kid that plush mickey doll or that Elsa dress. That was going to happen regardless, it did not happen because of FP+.
 

pax_65

Well-Known Member
Im a bit confused by this. You only have 3 FP+ selections per day. Unless your only experiencing 3 attractions per day, you are still going to wait in a winding queue, standing, for everything else, including the FP+ kiosk machine to get another FP+ after your initial 3.

I think a lot of FP+ supporters miss the fact that the standby line doesn't function like it did prior to FP+. They've increased capacity on the FP+ line, so they're pulling fewer people from the standby line. As a result, this line moves slower. So the standby wait times for popular attractions seem to be longer now than ever before. For me, personally, I feel like I spend MORE time waiting in line than I did prior to FP+ (and even before legacy FP).
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Im just gonna go through your post point by point and I'll break it up into 2 separate posts as to not create a wall of text and please dont take offense as Im only offering my counter points and mot importantly, just my opinion. Im not trying to prove you wrong or be a jack azz although it may come across that way.


Im a bit confused by this. You only have 3 FP+ selections per day. Unless your only experiencing 3 attractions per day, you are still going to wait in a winding queue, standing, for everything else, including the FP+ kiosk machine to get another FP+ after your initial 3. As far as being drenched in sweat, thats gonna happen in the hot Florida sun as soon as you walk 50 feet or more regardless of using FP+ or not.


FWIW, nobody here missed that. That discussion has been had, and beaten to a bloody pulp, many times. But again, this goes back to my first comment. You only have 3 FP+ per day, and while that does save some time, your far from having an entire day of "no waiting in lines". The FP+ selections usually fall into a certain part of the day, (morning, afternoon, or evening), so if you use your FP+ selections in the morning, the rest of your day is straight up old school waiting in line, and yes, even in line at kiosk to obtain additional FP+.

I dont think "park behavior" is any different. You make it seem as if every park guest automatically goes to a gift shop or ice cream stand while "waiting" for their FP+ window. Most are cramming in more attractions. People loved Mickey Ice cream bars before FP+ and they arent going to buy more than normal simply because they are waiting for their FP+ window. How was legacy FP any different? You still had to wait for your return time. Did people not know the shops and ice cream stands existed back then while they were waiting for their return window, the same way they wait for their FP+ window now? And the fact that Disney hasnt added much in terms of UNIQUE merchandise to the shops that people are supposedly "waiting in" doesnt give the guest much of a selection to browse through. Most of the shops sell the exact same thing, so after day one of a trip, youve already seen most of the merch available. There will always be parents who will buy their kid that plush mickey doll or that Elsa dress. That was going to happen regardless, it did not happen because of FP+.

BTW.... How the hell did we get back on this topic again?
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I always have my iPhone with Apple Pay. I'm very happy to not carry my wallet with me in the parks (To be fair my phone case is my wallet anyways) and I spend more in the parks because of it.
You never had to bring your wallet with you prior to MM+ either. I havent used a wallet since I was a teenager and Ive never had any problems at Disney. I can keep a CC or cash in my pocket or backpack just as easy as my pone. Citing Apple Pay as a benefit in WDW isnt really any different than the old KTTW Card. Is taking out your Iphone and scanning it really any faster than scanning the card or just using cash? Ill help you solve that mystery without calling on the Scooby Doo gang to pull up in the Mystery Machine.....no, it isnt. And Apple pay does have its fare share of problems and hazards.

Your last sentence though, (the bolded) is the mindset of society today that continues to baffle me. Your saying that you spend your hard earned money more haphazardly simply because you can use your phone to pay for things? Its like admitting that your SMART phone makes you DUMB (no offense, just using that phrase). @lazyboy97o and a few others made some good points yesterday, and its true that studies have shown removing a CC or cash from the system has an effect on the spending habits of some people and thats understandable. Whats crazy is that if you know the effect is happening (which you admitted), how can you not utilize a little self control? Blaming your phone or MB for causing you to spend more money is more of an excuse for spending more than you should/would, and not a valid reason to justify it.

Disney has recognized the millennial generation is a tech generation. They are bringing their kids to the parks for the first time, and make up the bulk of visitors currently. They also are exceptionally finicky about experiences that are bureaucratic or have inefficiencies that could be solved through better use of technology. They often favor less popular or more expensive options if they are more accessible through the internet or smart phones. Without embracing their methods of consumption, Disney would see significantly lower demand in the next decade. So I think a lot of what we see in frustration with users of MM+ is the failure of some to be adopters. There are hiccups in the system, and it isn't perfect, but technology is always about iteration and progression. If every release could be tested in every situation for every use before release, we wouldn't ever release.

IMO, the fact that Disney is recognizing the millennial generation and/or the technical desires people have for their everyday life does not necessarily make your vacation experienced as good as they claim it will. It has its benefits and it has it problems. People think technology should be the answer to making everything easier. Ive had many vacations since MM+ started and in the end, not much has changed. Wait times are not much different, the amount of attractions you can do in a day is not much higher or lower either. I dont hate MM+. Ive learned to use it in a way that best suits our needs, and thats mostly using the MDE app which is the only good thing to come out of MM+ (IMO) but I'll never buy the company line that MM+ was created to enhance my vacation experience. And I get that "Disney is a business" and they have every right to make a profit, thats fine. But dont pee on my head and tell me its only rain. Take those golden showers to Cafe Risque or Rachels, @PhotoDave219 can give you directions.
 

Horizons1

Well-Known Member
I totally agree. I know a lot of people on here like to gripe about MM+ and booking in advance, but when it comes down to it, it really does make everything so much easier. You have a better shot of guaranteeing access to certain attractions, you don't HAVE to spend all afternoon waiting in winding queues, standing, drenched in sweat. It has eliminated the need to run on gate opening to the big attractions to get fast passes. (Yes folks, before MM+, the FP's were all gone for big attractions minutes into the day starting....)

The charge that wait times have dramatically increased based on the increased capacity of FP usage does have some truth. However, crowd levels are also way up in the parks and many attractions are not drawing the crowd they used to.(Pirates, Tiki, Stitch, Philhar). Changing tastes has left certain rides with stupid wait times for no very good reason other than, every kid loves Peter Pan.(For the record I can remember Peter Pan having a an hour+ wait time in September in 2005. (When I was a college kid with an annual pass and weekdays free.)

For the discussion on revenue generation of MM+, I think a lot of people are missing the key change MM+ has had on park behavior. People don't spend all day in lines waiting for rides. Guests "wait" for rides in gift shops, restaurants, in the walkways, and see street entertainment. Guests don't fret buying an ice cream cone or popcorn and not being allowed to enter a queue. This also means increased opportunities for access to street vendors, which is why you'll see a few more carts around the parks. This is also why you will see a renewed push for more sit down dining options in the park. The psychology of not using a credit card shouldn't be minimized but not the main focus of the discussion. Ease of payment does make a difference. As a passholder my magicband doesn't usually have a credit card attached to it, but I always have my iPhone with Apple Pay. I'm very happy to not carry my wallet with me in the parks (To be fair my phone case is my wallet anyways) and I spend more in the parks because of it.

Disney has recognized the millennial generation is a tech generation. They are bringing their kids to the parks for the first time, and make up the bulk of visitors currently. They also are exceptionally finicky about experiences that are bureaucratic or have inefficiencies that could be solved through better use of technology. They often favor less popular or more expensive options if they are more accessible through the internet or smart phones. Without embracing their methods of consumption, Disney would see significantly lower demand in the next decade. So I think a lot of what we see in frustration with users of MM+ is the failure of some to be adopters. There are hiccups in the system, and it isn't perfect, but technology is always about iteration and progression. If every release could be tested in every situation for every use before release, we wouldn't ever release.

Soo, how much is Disney paying you?
 

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