A Spirited Perfect Ten

StageFrenzy

StageFrenzy

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WDW1974 said:
One comment on the plethora of SW The Force Awakens related posts today, one that I have said before but will repeat before retreating for my evening constitutional and that is Bob Iger has set things up where this film literally has to be the biggest of all time (or in Avatar/Titanic territory) or Disney's stock will take a hit. The SW bump has already been built into today's DIS value. So, if it only does $400-500 million domestically? Like I said ... Bob has stupidly overplayed his hand instead of simply talking up the film, and now this literally has to be a Top 3-4 of all time deal.

And I honestly have major doubts as to whether that will happen.
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This is one occasion where Bobby is fine, domestically speaking. It would have to be a literal and littoral Titanic to not be successful. I think ole bob has more to worry about a Lusitania and the global market. International folks what is the cultural awareness of Star Wars other than good branding in the 80's?
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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WDW1974 said:
One comment on the plethora of SW The Force Awakens related posts today, one that I have said before but will repeat before retreating for my evening constitutional and that is Bob Iger has set things up where this film literally has to be the biggest of all time (or in Avatar/Titanic territory) or Disney's stock will take a hit. The SW bump has already been built into today's DIS value. So, if it only does $400-500 million domestically? Like I said ... Bob has stupidly overplayed his hand instead of simply talking up the film, and now this literally has to be a Top 3-4 of all time deal.

And I honestly have major doubts as to whether that will happen.
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I have reason to believe that Uncle Bob is as much of a Star Wars geek as the rest of us .... and that very well may be why he's positioning the film that way.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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StageFrenzy said:
How about every imperialistic culture.
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It was a planned bankruptcy from the start. The construction company drags its feet until the owners go bankrupt, then sweep the project up at a 90% discount.

Asia Pulp & Paper (APP) did this to an American paper machine company named Beloit. APP talked Beloit into financing, $2B, the construction and installation of machines for APP. Full payment was subject to performance guarantees. Facilities were built, machines failed guarantees, Shortly after Beloit files Chapter 7, the machines miraculously met the performance guarantees, and APP got the machines for pennies on the dollar.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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StageFrenzy said:
This is one occasion where Bobby is fine, domestically speaking. It would have to be a literal and littoral Titanic to not be successful. I think ole bob has more to worry about a Lusitania and the global market. International folks what is the cultural awareness of Star Wars other than good branding in the 80's?
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Titanic, Lusitania,... With 5 films releasing so tightly together, if there is a wet fart Jar Jar moment early on, it could sink the remaining films.
 
StageFrenzy

StageFrenzy

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Nubs70 said:
It was a planned bankruptcy from the start. The construction company drags its feet until the owners go bankrupt, then sweep the project up at a 90% discount.

Asia Pulp & Paper (APP) did this to an American paper machine company named Beloit. APP talked Beloit into financing, $2B, the construction and installation of machines for APP. Full payment was subject to performance guarantees. Facilities were built, machines failed guarantees, Shortly after Beloit files Chapter 7, the machines miraculously met the performance guarantees, and APP got the machines for pennies on the dollar.
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Sounds like capitalism to me
 
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Bolna

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StageFrenzy said:
International folks what is the cultural awareness of Star Wars other than good branding in the 80's?
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Last week, an evening with a group of girls from work, we are all between 35 and 45, we talked about whether anyone of us was interested in seeing Ant Man as some of us had seen previous Marvel movies together. Most were not that excited. But then someone mentioned the new Star Wars movie coming out later that year and every single one in the group said that they will make sure to see that film and how excited they were. In my generation Star Wars is big here in Germany. We grew up with it. And then who ever did not see them the first time round got to see the remastered versions of the original trilogy when they were re-released in the 90s. But I can't tell you what the 20somethings are thinking about Star Wars...
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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WDW1974 said:
The castle park conceit has proven to be damn near unstoppable for 60 years now. It carries a sorta ... dare I say? ... MAGIC to it.

That said, I don't agree about other concepts not coming close.

In the 1980s and into the 90s, EPCOT Center was absolutely a quintessential part of the Disney experience and it was a VERY different experience than the Epcot of the 21st century. VERY.

I'd also point to TDS as a park that does quite well as a second gate (although it too has been dumbed down to some degree by toons and, of course, the phenomenon that is Duffy!)
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Oh believe me, EPCOT Center as I knew it in the early 90's was a thing of beauty. I just meant that Disney never took to the idea of the park as something they HAD to build again, whereas the Magic Kingdom has always been the hub around which new resorts are built.

I would love to see a resort with EPCOT Center as the primary park, or even another one with it as a secondary. But it's never happened. No Disney Park other than the Magic Kingdom has been successfully "franchised". Isn't that kind of . . . insane? How are they NOT desperate to find another park style for them to build repeatedly that has the pulling and staying power of the MK?
 
BrerJon

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
How are they NOT desperate to find another park style for them to build repeatedly that has the pulling and staying power of the MK?
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My guess is they were burned when they tried it in Paris, so now only stick to what has been a proven success.

There are many reasons why DSP is the worst Disney park (DHS might take that title now, although I think weather, food and Fantasmic still give it the edge), but very few of the problems in the French park are to do with the theme.

I'm sure Disney thinks it is though, so the chances of building another 'clone' park are slim, whereas cloned rides and mini-lands are very much in-vogue, as we will soon see if the bright orange towers of RC Racers start to rise behind the Chinese Theatre.
 
BrerJon

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WDW1974 said:
It's a small amount of people in all, but the UKers are offered it practically year round because they're likely to spend 14-30 days in O-Town and see just as much MAGIC in a Clermont rental home or a Sea World area timeshare. It definitely holds more UKers hostage than Americans and that is by design.
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It is interesting that Brits tend to like having a big house with a pool and many bedrooms to themselves for $800 a week, whereas Americans tend to prefer to splurge on a Deluxe Resort for $300-400 a night.

Deluxe Resorts just don't seem to appeal to many Brits and come across as poor value for money, likewise villas just don't seem to appeal to Americans. So there's definitely a big cultural difference, not just in terms of vacation length.
 
FigmentJedi

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WDW1974 said:
Thanks to the Denny's commercials (why am I craving one of their $2.99 sundaes, the best value in American desserts, right now?) I was reminded that Ant-Man in no way ends the onslaught of comic films this summer, not even Marvel comics based films. Nope, we're just around the corner from the opening of the latest rebooting of The Fantastic Four. Now, are the Marvel fanbois going to show up for that one? Or are they not counting since they are not controlled by DIS so they likely won't have a scene with some dude named Thanos wearing a necklace (no, not a pearl one!) made of Infinity Stones as Captain America and Captain Marvel (no, not the Shazam dude, he's a DC property and controlled by WB) do battle while 67-year-old Robert Downey Jr's Iron Man suit, now powered by Cialis, can't get him up (in the air!)?
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Marvel fans already hate and dismiss the film as just an ashcan product. Fantastic Four's rights includes a lot of Marvel's classic villain concepts, Dr. Doom being the biggest thing, but also Galactus, the Skrulls, Kang the Conqueror and pretty much every iconic "cosmic antagonist" that MCU isn't using right now. And Marvel's childish "If Fox isn't gonna play ball, let's just ignore the characters they own the movie rights to" attitude towards the situation is making fans just as bitter.

Also, Thanos doesn't need a necklace of stones, that's what the Glove is for.
 
jt04

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WDW1974 said:
I largely agree (yep, there's that one time for 2015!) I think some folks are awful eager for Pixar to fail, which is unfortunate. They put out two mediocre (though not awful) films in Cars 2 and Brave (which was a miracle it wasn't unwatchable considering what went on behind the scenes) and very good prequel in Monsters U and for some reason they were viewed as over by some.

In some ways they've just been victims of their own greatness.

I'm not so sure about Good Dinosaur, but I underestimated a dino film this summer and won't make the same mistake twice.
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I used statistics (heh) from BOM and shortly after they went in and changed them up somewhat. Though my numbers should prove largely correct. It seems everyone reads your spirited thread these days. And since I prefer to post on these forums only for my own amusement and to exchange ideas with wdw fans I will again excuse myself from your thread. Sometimes I post here because I do not notice I am in this thread. Which makes The Mom have a bad day. Nobody wants that. Thanks.
 
Smiddimizer

Smiddimizer

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WDW1974 said:
Spirited Weekend Musings (the VERY last until fall):

I've been putting bits and pieces together regarding the proposed Frontierland project for MK and ... color me incredibly NOT impressed. If I've learned anything while watching this park change so radically over the last 15-plus years is that it is morphing into something that I don't like very much, something that's pretty antithetical to what the whole idea of the park was to begin with. I really couldn't care less how busy the place is. Whenever I drive by Walmart the parking lot is plenty full there as well.
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So... rapids and concrete? I've been afraid since this buzz started that they're basically doing to FL what they did to the hub.
 
truecoat

truecoat

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BrerJon said:
My guess is they were burned when they tried it in Paris, so now only stick to what has been a proven success.

There are many reasons why DSP is the worst Disney park (DHS might take that title now, although I think weather, food and Fantasmic still give it the edge), but very few of the problems in the French park are to do with the theme.
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Do or do not, there is no try.

They should have followed this advice. This park was a clone in name only.
 

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