A Spirited Perfect Ten

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm aware of that RSU's are a common form of payment but in many cases they are given as a 'signing bonus'. And Tim's pay package is still 25% of Iger's and he made FAR more money for AAPL shareholders.
He received stock grants worth $400M in 2011 that vest over 10 years. If the stock goes up those grants become even more valuable. He received grants for 1M shares when the stock price was around $400. That's an average of $40M per year over the 10 years. Since the 7 for 1 stock split and the increase in stock price that initial grant would be 7M shares worth over $800M. That's not a signing bonus. He is taking the bulk of his pay in stock. In addition to receiving 700K shares from the 2011 grant he received and additional 219K shares from a 2010 grant to bring his total shares vesting in 2014 to over 900K shares. The value of the shares that vested in 2014 was over $90M plus his $9M in cash salary and bonus.
 
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TP2000

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I just don't get why this got all the hype and they held back, are there more press events today?

Nope, press event is done.

There are big Attraction changes and enhancements coming to Disneyland before the Diamond Celebration begins May 22nd. Several of those E Ticket attractions are already closed for mysterious five month refurbishments; Soarin' and Matterhorn Bobsleds have already been closed for weeks. Several other rides close next week for months-long refurbishments; Peter Pan, Luigi's, etc. And then there is Haunted Mansion which reopened from its annual refurbishment last week with weird new walls and sets built in the Attic Scene where the Hatbox Ghost animatronic will go just before May 22nd.

There's more stuff to be announced for the Attraction component of the 60th Diamond Celebration. But Tom Staggs was so busy last night trying not to show his "anemic personality" that he just ended up on stage flirting with Steve Davison about the Entertainment component of the 60th.
 
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Nubs70

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Well when I worked in research 10 years ago, there wasn't a way to give a negative answer on most surveys. Back then there was a very convoluted process of how the questions were written and who wrote them.
This is were the problem lays. Willingness to engage in statistical malpractice allows Iger to state the "follow the customer " line with a straight face. The first action item for the new CEO clean house of management at Research and appoint a new individual as CSO/CRO then rebuild the department.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
He received stock grants worth $400M in 2011 that vest over 10 years. If the stock goes up those grants become even more valuable. He received grants for 1M shares when the stock price was around $400. That's an average of $40M per year over the 10 years. Since the 7 for 1 stock split and the increase in stock price that initial grant would be 7M shares worth over $800M. That's not a signing bonus. He is taking the bulk of his pay in stock. In addition to receiving 700K shares from the 2011 grant he received and additional 219K shares from a 2010 grant to bring his total shares vesting in 2014 to over 900K shares. The value of the shares that vested in 2014 was over $90M plus his $9M in cash salary and bonus.

All that is TRUE, I receive options that vest over time so I'm well aware of how they work, The point I was making is Tim Cook got NO options as part of his 2014 compensation.

Not that in prior years he received options which happen to VEST in 2014, Which to my mind is NOT part of his 2014 compensation package.

His 10 year option package was a signing bonus quite common for executives and high level engineers in tech companies, You are awarded a package of options at hire which become more valuable over time, You DONT get them if you are a short timer or job hopper.
 

PhotoDave219

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This is were the problem lays. Willingness to engage in statistical malpractice allows Iger to state the "follow the customer " line with a straight face. The first action item for the new CEO clean house of management at Research and appoint a new individual as CSO/CRO then rebuild the department.

Self fulfilling prophecies.

There will be unintended consequences by focusing on a narrow segment of their audience. And those decision makers will be promoted to positions where they can continue to hurt the company.
 

71jason

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Maybe? But since you bring it up, Jason made the fantastic observation of DTD the other night and their restaurants over here http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/disney-springs-observations.895205/#post-6516448.

The problem IMO is a lack of an adults-only audience. A nice family of four with two kids is not likely to dine at the fancy steakhouse; they want to go to T-Rex/Rainforest. Put in all the fancy places you want, the main audience they cater to is not the audience for the new venues being put in.

I mean, you cant expect locals to go there because they've been alienated & essentially cut out of everything thanks to MM+.

While I agree DTD needs more family-friendly restaurants (particularly QSRs), there IS a market for high-end restaurants in Orlando. But you can't mix it in with shopping or stroller-friendly restaurants, because those are different markets that don't really mix well together. If you want to cater to convention-goers, you have to serve that market more or less exclusively (within a particular area). This is why the gates around PI were genius.

Look at Sand Lake Road--even the McDonalds on the edge of "Restaurant Row" has to be the most kid-unfriendly Mickey Ds on the planet. The exception might be Pointe Orlando, but even there, WonderWorks and Monkey Joes are closed by the time the nightlife scene gets going (and they were grandfathered-in leases, with WonderWorks entrance off the side and kind of its own thing).

Of course, I suspect these are things you only can learn by living in Orlando for years and having friends at every strata of the hospitality industry. I don't expect people who only know the area from a message board or a spreadsheet in their Burbank office to think like this.
 

Disneyhead'71

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I'm not sure we disagree with each other on this. The Disney Difference is what generates brand loyalty, isn't it, as far as the parks are concerned? Even if that loyalty is blind loyalty, and that may be true, and that's a great shame, because, as I think you're saying, that lets TDO get away with a lot of penny-pinching that Walt would never have put up with. The thing is - the Disney magic still exists, but most of it lives on in the films Walt made, and that his predecessors made (at least those who understood his style of storytelling - the creators of the Silver Age films like The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast). Those films are the entry point for those who visit Disney parks, and that's why, in my opinion, it's foolish for Iger to look beyond the studio for attraction concepts, stuff like Avatar and Star Wars - that's not what people are looking for in a Disney park. They want that Disney magic (why else would a dated dark ride like Peter Pan's Flight have such high attendance? It's certainly not due to its cutting-edge technology!) Is that what you meant when you said that the executives need to pay attention and learn? Because I agree. I'm just in despair that it will ever happen as long as Iger holds the reins. :(
There are, without a doubt, a lot of "Brand Advocates", such as yourself, me, and even Spirit, in the Disney fandom. I do not believe that is most people visiting WDW.

Myself, I am an amusement park fan, that goes to the Disney parks because through out most of my lifetime they have been the highest quality, most entertaining parks on the planet. But I don't care if Captain America with his 40s get-up is doing Meet and Greets on Main Street, or Stark Expo is in Epcot (I have changed my mind on the inclusion of characters in Epcot and I still can't bend far enough to have Arendelle in World Showcase). I personally think Marvel, Star Wars, Indy, and Muppets fit right in with the Disney family of products. I mean, they all happily coexist in a tiny 4 isle section at Anybigboxstore, USA. It's not like it's Harley Davidson or Hart and Huntington Tattoos. For that you have to go to Downto...wait, Dismay Springs or that dark(ish) side alley in CityWalk.
 

Goofyernmost

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I went to Alaska via DCL, and I can tell you that these cruises are 80% or more ADULTS.
Most of them were above 40 years old.. and a big bunch of them were very old couples (70+ years)

Not exactly a kiddy Cruise imho.

I think both Alaska's and Panama's are more adult geared.
The ports of call are probably the reason for the adult heavy make up of an Alaskan Cruise. That wouldn't be necessarily true of all destinations. I'd think that the heaviest concentration of families and kids would be in the shorter Caribbean jaunts.

BTW, since I am only three years away from being 70, I'd appreciate it if you would not refer to that as old. There's alive and there is dead. Those are the only two ways a human can be in my opinion. Or at least refer to it as "mature" so I can still get my discounts. The preceding was a public service announcement! ;)
 

Cesar R M

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The ports of call are probably the reason for the adult heavy make up of an Alaskan Cruise. That wouldn't be necessarily true of all destinations. I'd think that the heaviest concentration of families and kids would be in the shorter Caribbean jaunts.

BTW, since I am only three years away from being 70, I'd appreciate it if you would not refer to that as old. There's alive and there is dead. Those are the only two ways a human can be in my opinion. Or at least refer to it as "mature" so I can still get my discounts. The preceding was a public service announcement! ;)
but..but.. you're a grumpy old man, your icon says so. :eek:

:hilarious:

(ps, my prior message about "mature" individuals wasn't mean to insult or anything like that)
 

Goofyernmost

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but..but.. you're a grumpy old man, your icon says so. :eek:

:hilarious:

(ps, my prior message about "mature" individuals wasn't mean to insult or anything like that)
Yes, I know... I was just kidding with you so you perhaps you can now see that I am not only not old, I am not grumpy either, ever. ;) It's just an image that I am trying to foster. You know... good cop vs. bad cop? :joyfull:
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
All that is TRUE, I receive options that vest over time so I'm well aware of how they work, The point I was making is Tim Cook got NO options as part of his 2014 compensation.

Not that in prior years he received options which happen to VEST in 2014, Which to my mind is NOT part of his 2014 compensation package.

His 10 year option package was a signing bonus quite common for executives and high level engineers in tech companies, You are awarded a package of options at hire which become more valuable over time, You DONT get them if you are a short timer or job hopper.
A signing bonus isn't typically 10X your base salary. It's hard to call $400M a signing bonus. Whatever you want to call it, he negotiated a package to run the company for the next 10 years which included a base salary plus equity. It's not uncommon for tech company executives to take most or all of their pay in stock.

If Bob Iger's renewed contract had included grants of DIS shares worth $47M per year in Disney stock and a base salary of $8 per hour would he be making the same amount of money as a fry cook at Cosmic Rays? Nope. You can't compare 2 CEOs pay without including equity.

IMHO both guys are grossly overpaid but neither company's shareholders care since they brought results.
 

Lord_Vader

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An interesting article on how the firm that developed MagicBands for Disney are now pitching the same tech for hospitals. Guess they didn't have an exclusive contract with the Mouse!

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3041595/a-disney-magicband-for-hospitals?utm_source

It depends, Disney may get royalties for the design and software. RFID is the future for IDs plain and simple, the bands are fairly comfortable, durable, and water-proof which makes them uniquely suited for medical centers as well as theme parks.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It depends, Disney may get royalties for the design and software. RFID is the future for IDs plain and simple, the bands are fairly comfortable, durable, and water-proof which makes them uniquely suited for medical centers as well as theme parks.

Seems like a lame idea honestly. The big idea in Magicbands is the long range reader and how that knowledge can alter the theme park experience and how the parks are operated. What opportunity parallels that in a hospital? Every patient already has tags... and for safety protocols you'd want steps to ensure you are reading THIS band, not other bands.. so you're going to be doing close contact stuff anyways when checking IDs or entering patient info. The bands aren't gathering patient data except proximity.

Magicbands also have no 'fail safe' like a printed bracelet has. Things like allergy tags exist so people can get visual re-enforcement WITHOUT having to pull of records, etc.

Magicbands work in a theme park because you are willing to compromise on some aspects (resiliency, technology dependence, etc) to gain others. You can't compromise safety or accuracy when it comes to medicine.
 

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