A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

[Mike S]

Because sometime in the 1970's, early 1980's when what was previously considered appropriate punishment became child abuse in the public mind, this completely reverse, over-compensating mentality rapidly took over that children were to be treated as little gods and goddesses who were to be kept placated and pleased at all times.

I was among that first generation of kids who were told we were all "special" blah blah - so I can recognize how it's progressed. I still have that tendency when I see an "exit closed" sign on the road..."hmmm, well, I could just sneak off, right? That's for everyone else"... pass my brain for a millisecond before I forget the life lessons I have thankfully learned to correct this thinking.

We've gone from "children should be seen but not heard" to "children shall be worshiped and courted and the center of attention at all times".

To paraphrase Syndrome, "when everyone's special, no one will be."

 

[Cesar R M]

The injection of sensors in real plants as well as adding artificial plants seems to me to suggest crap is going to be destroyed within that first year of opening. I don't Disney Research did the study to see how many little kids and immature adults pulling away and grabbing things would their creations sustain.

easy solution.. make all plants give electrical shocks as well.
So an with the Johnny ...." Knoxville wanna be syndrome... gets close to the plants by ignoring all "do not pass" warning signs, gets a nice "dont taze me brah" kind of treatment.

Probably as off topic as one can get, so message me if you have an answer/opinion:
As an educator, I am really curious as to why members of this board think that our society seems to not be as "classy" as we used to be...
I agree with this sentiment by the way, just wanting to know why you think it "is what it is" today.

Probably because people who usually have no manners can go to places they werent used to or didnt know?
Or because kids nowadays its "cool" to destroy things and film that?

 

[futurecastmembr]

I was discussing vilifying the privileged, entitled, spoiled, soft, and weak youth of today.

People have always said that stuff about young people. The world keeps turning. The difference is that now every kid has an iPhone and a twitter account. Plus, any fringe or niche group has a voice and everyone has a camera so of course you're going to see a lot of stupidity.

 

[Cesar R M]

I just looked it up. It's disgusting how some people behave.

Where did you look for this? I cant find anything.

 

[PhotoDave219]

People have always said that stuff about young people. The world keeps turning. The difference is that now every kid has an iPhone and a twitter account. Plus, any fringe or niche group has a voice and everyone has a camera so of course you're going to see a lot of stupidity.

..... I hope everyone else sees the irony in that post that I do.

 

[futurecastmembr]

..... I hope everyone else sees the irony in that post that I do.

 

[Cesar R M]

People have always said that stuff about young people. The world keeps turning. The difference is that now every kid has an iPhone and a twitter account. Plus, any fringe or niche group has a voice and everyone has a camera so of course you're going to see a lot of stupidity.

Kinda Agree, except people were buried in their printed books/newspapers.

..... I hope everyone else sees the irony in that post that I do.

Its night and day clear lol.

But he's somewhat right.
Its the same when old people claim how "violent" the world is. Technically we're living in one of the least violent decades.
There has been mass murders, genocides..etc..
The difference now is.. the scope and reach fo the newspapers and information.
You can get informed of everything in seconds now.

Kinda how people also say "people are more stupid now". Id say the levels of stupid are the same (in percentage of the population). Just that we are a lot more now.

 

[Mike S]

Where did you look for this? I cant find anything.

http://ultimateorlando.blogspot.com/2013/03/tony-baxter-painting-now-in-mk-btmrr.html?m=1

 

[ProfSavage]

Returning to the thread like...

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

Clears throat and steps on soap box.....

My parents expected us to work and "earn our keep" so to speak. Everyone had chores, a paper route, a babysitting gig, something. We were not poor, but they had been and knew that instilling these values in us would benefit us to create a life that was better than theirs. It worked. We were rewarded for good grades and accomplishments. We took exactly one out of state vacation to visit relatives. I had two "generations" of children. My two daughters who might be considered the children of boomers like me (GenX?) and my second two, a girl and a boy that were born in 1988 and 1989 who came along later (GenY?)

Fast forward with the two youngest, I tried as best I could to emulate my parents values with my children. The attitude that the next generation should have it better than the last resulted in a culture of coddling and was well represented everywhere I looked. My son received participation trophies. The schools sent home literature about self esteem initiatives. Try as I might to have a "normal" birthday party for my 6 year old, after she attended parties where private venues were rented and catering was the norm. I had a normal party. I baked the cake, decorated my humble abode, did face painting on all the party guests with a kit I bought, played some games and had prizes for the winners etc. The kids loved it! The parents, not so much. Their attitude was "When we hosted your child, we rented out the poolside room at the local indoor pool, had pizza delivered from their favorite restaurant, and gave everyone a prize.

As my income increased, I caved and started the "keep up with the Joneses" routine. I remember once mentioning to my then husband, "what do I have to do for the next birthday party, rent an elephant?". All of their friends had cell phones. I told them they would have to wait until their teens. They pouted and complained to their friends that I was old fashioned and didn't understand. I stood my ground but when the elder of the two turned 13, I got them each a phone because they are 18 months apart and I knew talking to eachother was necessary.

One thing I would NOT do, is treat them like mere children. They were "adults in the making". They were not protected from the news, the real world or the realities of finances. They were brought in to family budget decisions anXd knew the limitations of said budget.

The schools, the parents, the peer pressure is all very real. Short of home-schooling and living off the grid, it is a jungle out there. Fortunately, my kids have had the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" in various endeavors of their life which helped them greatly. Over protection, over-parenting, over-protecting, over-expecting, over-promising etc. isn't working to create responsible, caring, considerate, humane, or even realistic adults. Yes, my children are now adults. With real adult problems. And they can deal with them.

It was hard to raise Gen-Yers. I cannot imagine now that my oldest daughters have children ( GenXers, they were raised by a hard working single mom) I cannot imagine the pressure they are under to be helicopter parents or over-protective or raise PLSF (precious little snowflakes). Oddly, my grandchildren were raised by great mom's who taught them to appreciate everything and everybody. They are polite. They are funny. They have great vocabularies. They have daily chores. They do their homework before they watch TV or use their electronics. They have select one extracurricular activity to focus on etc.

I do not think we are "doomed". I worry more about the generation that follows the "Millenials". However, the entitlement mentality has taken over everywhere. When everyone is so easily "offended" and "being offended" is now taking on an equivalent footing as an assult, that is disturbing.

Drops Mike. Steps off soapbox.

 

[brb1006]

Final reminder that the first teaser for the Live-Action Beauty And The Beast will be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning.

 

[ProfSavage]

Clears throat and steps on soap box.....

My parents expected us to work and "earn our keep" so to speak. Everyone had chores, a paper route, a babysitting gig, something. We were not poor, but they had been and knew that instilling these values in us would benefit us to create a life that was better than theirs. It worked. We were rewarded for good grades and accomplishments. We took exactly one out of state vacation to visit relatives. I had two "generations" of children. My two daughters who might be considered the children of boomers like me (GenX?) and my second two, a girl and a boy that were born in 1988 and 1989 who came along later (GenY?)

Fast forward with the two youngest, I tried as best I could to emulate my parents values with my children. The attitude that the next generation should have it better than the last resulted in a culture of coddling and was well represented everywhere I looked. My son received participation trophies. The schools sent home literature about self esteem initiatives. Try as I might to have a "normal" birthday party for my 6 year old, after she attended parties where private venues were rented and catering was the norm. I had a normal party. I baked the cake, decorated my humble abode, did face painting on all the party guests with a kit I bought, played some games and had prizes for the winners etc. The kids loved it! The parents, not so much. Their attitude was "When we hosted your child, we rented out the poolside room at the local indoor pool, had pizza delivered from their favorite restaurant, and gave everyone a prize.

As my income increased, I caved and started the "keep up with the Joneses" routine. I remember once mentioning to my then husband, "what do I have to do for the next birthday party, rent an elephant?". All of their friends had cell phones. I told them they would have to wait until their teens. They pouted and complained to their friends that I was old fashioned and didn't understand. I stood my ground but when the elder of the two turned 13, I got them each a phone because they are 18 months apart and I knew talking to eachother was necessary.

One thing I would NOT do, is treat them like mere children. They were "adults in the making". They were not protected from the news, the real world or the realities of finances. They were brought in to family budget decisions anXd knew the limitations of said budget.

The schools, the parents, the peer pressure is all very real. Short of home-schooling and living off the grid, it is a jungle out there. Fortunately, my kids have had the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" in various endeavors of their life which helped them greatly. Over protection, over-parenting, over-protecting, over-expecting, over-promising etc. isn't working to create responsible, caring, considerate, humane, or even realistic adults. Yes, my children are now adults. With real adult problems. And they can deal with them.

It was hard to raise Gen-Yers. I cannot imagine now that my oldest daughters have children ( GenXers, they were raised by a hard working single mom) I cannot imagine the pressure they are under to be helicopter parents or over-protective or raise PLSF (precious little snowflakes). Oddly, my grandchildren were raised by great mom's who taught them to appreciate everything and everybody. They are polite. They are funny. They have great vocabularies. They have daily chores. They do their homework before they watch TV or use their electronics. They have select one extracurricular activity to focus on etc.

I do not think we are "doomed". I worry more about the generation that follows the "Millenials". However, the entitlement mentality has taken over everywhere. When everyone is so easily "offended" and "being offended" is now taking on an equivalent footing as an assult, that is disturbing.

Drops Mike. Steps off soapbox.

This. Absolutely.

I'm a year or so older than your two youngest children, saw and experienced the same things growing up you described (the birthday parties being indulgent and extravagant, etc) and my parents just didn't play that. And know that I am an educator, I see it first hand in my college aged students that are about 10-12 years younger than me now. They complain about grading "not being fair." It hurts me, physically.

 

[ProfSavage]

Final reminder that the first teaser for the Live-Action Beauty And The Beast will be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning.

Still not sure how I feel about this

 

[FigmentForver96]

Clears throat and steps on soap box.....

My parents expected us to work and "earn our keep" so to speak. Everyone had chores, a paper route, a babysitting gig, something. We were not poor, but they had been and knew that instilling these values in us would benefit us to create a life that was better than theirs. It worked. We were rewarded for good grades and accomplishments. We took exactly one out of state vacation to visit relatives. I had two "generations" of children. My two daughters who might be considered the children of boomers like me (GenX?) and my second two, a girl and a boy that were born in 1988 and 1989 who came along later (GenY?)

Fast forward with the two youngest, I tried as best I could to emulate my parents values with my children. The attitude that the next generation should have it better than the last resulted in a culture of coddling and was well represented everywhere I looked. My son received participation trophies. The schools sent home literature about self esteem initiatives. Try as I might to have a "normal" birthday party for my 6 year old, after she attended parties where private venues were rented and catering was the norm. I had a normal party. I baked the cake, decorated my humble abode, did face painting on all the party guests with a kit I bought, played some games and had prizes for the winners etc. The kids loved it! The parents, not so much. Their attitude was "When we hosted your child, we rented out the poolside room at the local indoor pool, had pizza delivered from their favorite restaurant, and gave everyone a prize.

As my income increased, I caved and started the "keep up with the Joneses" routine. I remember once mentioning to my then husband, "what do I have to do for the next birthday party, rent an elephant?". All of their friends had cell phones. I told them they would have to wait until their teens. They pouted and complained to their friends that I was old fashioned and didn't understand. I stood my ground but when the elder of the two turned 13, I got them each a phone because they are 18 months apart and I knew talking to eachother was necessary.

One thing I would NOT do, is treat them like mere children. They were "adults in the making". They were not protected from the news, the real world or the realities of finances. They were brought in to family budget decisions anXd knew the limitations of said budget.

The schools, the parents, the peer pressure is all very real. Short of home-schooling and living off the grid, it is a jungle out there. Fortunately, my kids have had the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" in various endeavors of their life which helped them greatly. Over protection, over-parenting, over-protecting, over-expecting, over-promising etc. isn't working to create responsible, caring, considerate, humane, or even realistic adults. Yes, my children are now adults. With real adult problems. And they can deal with them.

It was hard to raise Gen-Yers. I cannot imagine now that my oldest daughters have children ( GenXers, they were raised by a hard working single mom) I cannot imagine the pressure they are under to be helicopter parents or over-protective or raise PLSF (precious little snowflakes). Oddly, my grandchildren were raised by great mom's who taught them to appreciate everything and everybody. They are polite. They are funny. They have great vocabularies. They have daily chores. They do their homework before they watch TV or use their electronics. They have select one extracurricular activity to focus on etc.

I do not think we are "doomed". I worry more about the generation that follows the "Millenials". However, the entitlement mentality has taken over everywhere. When everyone is so easily "offended" and "being offended" is now taking on an equivalent footing as an assult, that is disturbing.

Drops Mike. Steps off soapbox.

Perfect to the letter. I had to wait until 15 to get a phone and it was a very basic flip phone in an age where they had passed that. Then one year later the phone, if you were trusted, became a phone that could slide with a keyboard. The IPhone was not a thing until adulthood and I had to get a very old model and pay for my plan.

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

This. Absolutely.

I'm a year or so older than your two youngest children, saw and experienced the same things growing up you described (the birthday parties being indulgent and extravagant, etc) and my parents just didn't play that. And know that I am an educator, I see it first hand in my college aged students that are about 10-12 years younger than me. They complain about grading "not being fair." It hurts me, physically.

Thank you for the validation. My youngest is still in college and complains about the "Political Correctness" culture and the lack of discourse in his chosen field...emergency management. He, ummm, found out that a particular professor, despite disagreeing with said son, actually liked my son's "devil's advocate" positions and encouraged him to continue. He was stunned. He thought he would get a "D" for disagreeing with his teacher. Instead, he was rewarded with an "A" for a well thought out, well supported position.

Meanwhile, back at WDW which he attended only once...Epcot (back in better days) was his and his sister's favorite park and The Studios...then MGM still had the animation studio. Mulan was being drawn. My daughter is an artist/animator/illustrator because of MGM Studios. My son has an understanding of how his brain works because of Cranium Command. They both love Science Fiction because of me and the fact they got to see a Mars rover replica operated by NASA personnel in the courtyard near the fountain.

They loved the whole "behind the scenes" aspect of MGM and the joy of discovery at Epcot. We can never go back. Ouch!

 

[PhotoDave219]

Clears throat and steps on soap box.....

My parents expected us to work and "earn our keep" so to speak. Everyone had chores, a paper route, a babysitting gig, something. We were not poor, but they had been and knew that instilling these values in us would benefit us to create a life that was better than theirs. It worked. We were rewarded for good grades and accomplishments. We took exactly one out of state vacation to visit relatives. I had two "generations" of children. My two daughters who might be considered the children of boomers like me (GenX?) and my second two, a girl and a boy that were born in 1988 and 1989 who came along later (GenY?)

Fast forward with the two youngest, I tried as best I could to emulate my parents values with my children. The attitude that the next generation should have it better than the last resulted in a culture of coddling and was well represented everywhere I looked. My son received participation trophies. The schools sent home literature about self esteem initiatives. Try as I might to have a "normal" birthday party for my 6 year old, after she attended parties where private venues were rented and catering was the norm. I had a normal party. I baked the cake, decorated my humble abode, did face painting on all the party guests with a kit I bought, played some games and had prizes for the winners etc. The kids loved it! The parents, not so much. Their attitude was "When we hosted your child, we rented out the poolside room at the local indoor pool, had pizza delivered from their favorite restaurant, and gave everyone a prize.

As my income increased, I caved and started the "keep up with the Joneses" routine. I remember once mentioning to my then husband, "what do I have to do for the next birthday party, rent an elephant?". All of their friends had cell phones. I told them they would have to wait until their teens. They pouted and complained to their friends that I was old fashioned and didn't understand. I stood my ground but when the elder of the two turned 13, I got them each a phone because they are 18 months apart and I knew talking to eachother was necessary.

One thing I would NOT do, is treat them like mere children. They were "adults in the making". They were not protected from the news, the real world or the realities of finances. They were brought in to family budget decisions anXd knew the limitations of said budget.

The schools, the parents, the peer pressure is all very real. Short of home-schooling and living off the grid, it is a jungle out there. Fortunately, my kids have had the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" in various endeavors of their life which helped them greatly. Over protection, over-parenting, over-protecting, over-expecting, over-promising etc. isn't working to create responsible, caring, considerate, humane, or even realistic adults. Yes, my children are now adults. With real adult problems. And they can deal with them.

It was hard to raise Gen-Yers. I cannot imagine now that my oldest daughters have children ( GenXers, they were raised by a hard working single mom) I cannot imagine the pressure they are under to be helicopter parents or over-protective or raise PLSF (precious little snowflakes). Oddly, my grandchildren were raised by great mom's who taught them to appreciate everything and everybody. They are polite. They are funny. They have great vocabularies. They have daily chores. They do their homework before they watch TV or use their electronics. They have select one extracurricular activity to focus on etc.

I do not think we are "doomed". I worry more about the generation that follows the "Millenials". However, the entitlement mentality has taken over everywhere. When everyone is so easily "offended" and "being offended" is now taking on an equivalent footing as an assult, that is disturbing.

Drops Mike. Steps off soapbox.

I owe you a drink, kind sir.

 

[PhotoDave219]

This. Absolutely.

I'm a year or so older than your two youngest children, saw and experienced the same things growing up you described (the birthday parties being indulgent and extravagant, etc) and my parents just didn't play that. And know that I am an educator, I see it first hand in my college aged students that are about 10-12 years younger than me now. They complain about grading "not being fair." It hurts me, physically.

Grading isn't fair. It's a reflection of how much they student has learned.

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

I owe you a drink, kind sir.

I'm a female, but okay...where and when? Orlando in 2018 when I actually venture back?

 

[ThemeParkJunkee]

Grading isn't fair. It's a reflection of how much they student has learned.

If the student hasn't learned...well you know the rest. At University, there are no participation trophies.

 

[ford91exploder]

Clears throat and steps on soap box.....

My parents expected us to work and "earn our keep" so to speak. Everyone had chores, a paper route, a babysitting gig, something. We were not poor, but they had been and knew that instilling these values in us would benefit us to create a life that was better than theirs. It worked. We were rewarded for good grades and accomplishments. We took exactly one out of state vacation to visit relatives. I had two "generations" of children. My two daughters who might be considered the children of boomers like me (GenX?) and my second two, a girl and a boy that were born in 1988 and 1989 who came along later (GenY?)

Fast forward with the two youngest, I tried as best I could to emulate my parents values with my children. The attitude that the next generation should have it better than the last resulted in a culture of coddling and was well represented everywhere I looked. My son received participation trophies. The schools sent home literature about self esteem initiatives. Try as I might to have a "normal" birthday party for my 6 year old, after she attended parties where private venues were rented and catering was the norm. I had a normal party. I baked the cake, decorated my humble abode, did face painting on all the party guests with a kit I bought, played some games and had prizes for the winners etc. The kids loved it! The parents, not so much. Their attitude was "When we hosted your child, we rented out the poolside room at the local indoor pool, had pizza delivered from their favorite restaurant, and gave everyone a prize.

As my income increased, I caved and started the "keep up with the Joneses" routine. I remember once mentioning to my then husband, "what do I have to do for the next birthday party, rent an elephant?". All of their friends had cell phones. I told them they would have to wait until their teens. They pouted and complained to their friends that I was old fashioned and didn't understand. I stood my ground but when the elder of the two turned 13, I got them each a phone because they are 18 months apart and I knew talking to eachother was necessary.

One thing I would NOT do, is treat them like mere children. They were "adults in the making". They were not protected from the news, the real world or the realities of finances. They were brought in to family budget decisions anXd knew the limitations of said budget.

The schools, the parents, the peer pressure is all very real. Short of home-schooling and living off the grid, it is a jungle out there. Fortunately, my kids have had the "Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat" in various endeavors of their life which helped them greatly. Over protection, over-parenting, over-protecting, over-expecting, over-promising etc. isn't working to create responsible, caring, considerate, humane, or even realistic adults. Yes, my children are now adults. With real adult problems. And they can deal with them.

It was hard to raise Gen-Yers. I cannot imagine now that my oldest daughters have children ( GenXers, they were raised by a hard working single mom) I cannot imagine the pressure they are under to be helicopter parents or over-protective or raise PLSF (precious little snowflakes). Oddly, my grandchildren were raised by great mom's who taught them to appreciate everything and everybody. They are polite. They are funny. They have great vocabularies. They have daily chores. They do their homework before they watch TV or use their electronics. They have select one extracurricular activity to focus on etc.

I do not think we are "doomed". I worry more about the generation that follows the "Millenials". However, the entitlement mentality has taken over everywhere. When everyone is so easily "offended" and "being offended" is now taking on an equivalent footing as an assult, that is disturbing.

Drops Mike. Steps off soapbox.

Just wait till the inevitable war with China the precious snowflakes will find out quick about that reality sucks thing