A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

WDW1974

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I remember the old Usenet Disney groups. Al always posted pics of the bad stuff, and mentioned them constantly. Micechat really should take that stance again.

Micechat is pretty much dead. When Jim Hill's ex is writing a column based on press releases and Andy Castro is telling the world he has no desire to continue to be used by the site and when the majority of content is simply links to podcasts ... how relevant is it? I do have to respect they waited a decent amount of time after I broke the GotG Tower news before they borrowed it and gave me no credit whatsoever.

That site died the day Al Lutz stopped contributing. There are good people there. And they put lots of effort into it, but they are about to be as important as LaughingPlace.com (yes, I have heard they relaunched message boards and modernized them ... but that should have happened a decade ago. They are dead. Having a total con man as your top insider, who took money and ran with his fanzine, didn't help.)
 

FigmentForver96

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Robert Niles for Theme Park Insider write an article called Why Guardians of the Galaxy > Twilight Zone for Disney's Tower of Terror.
Here's a link to it: http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201605/5069/
People are so dumb. Guardians of the Galaxy is not on the same level as the ride in DisneySea. Like I cannot believe a comparison like that could be made.

The other weird part is how he claims they could keep the hotel theme and make it a secret hide out for the Collector. Like if you need to stretch the theme and story that much it should tell you it doesn't belong
 

WDW1974

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Attendance is not flat at WDW, it's declining. Or in the phrasing that Disney itself used in its official financial report, WDW is experiencing a "modest decrease" in attendance. Brazil's economic and political implosion will only make the decrease worse in the months ahead.

Overall attendance for the entire Parks division is flat only because attendance and spending have increased at Disneyland Resort.

WDW is not busy now. It just isn't. And much of that is masked by all the groups that come in for end of school year trips and the last three weeks of the real convention season ... but I don't care if you waited an hour for Peter Pan this morning, the parks are not busy at all.
 

WDW1974

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I like The Muppet Show too. In 1977, when it was good.

The new show wasn't bad, despite what some say. It wasn't great, but it seemed to settling into a groove and improving and ... typical ABC move. They don't give any show a chance, which makes me very wary of getting hooked on anything.

I suppose we can all be happy that Dr. Ken got a pick up, right?
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

Never heard of him before about six weeks ago and he tweets nonstop about ... Shanghai Disneyland. It's almost like a media campaign is going on.

Anyone know more about him, his history on Twitter, him possibly getting paid by a Disney contractor?
Whoever he is, must be getting paid by the tweet. There's one or two folk on here that may want to rethink their pay schedules....
 

WDW1974

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BUT - I think we both agree the park needs and is thankfully getting more. It's not worth either our time going back and forth about which is slightly better.

I'll be sure to give you my opinions either way in due course. I'm admittedly now uninformed as I'm avoiding all the videos now circulating. Your opinion on Voyage to the Crystal Grotto though... Wasn't that supposed to be the headliner?

I don't think TDS is just slightly better. I know TDS is one of the finest themed environments ever created in that business. I don't see anything to place SDL on that level. I think your excitement about visiting soon is getting the best of you.

No. The headliner was always supposed to be Pirates and since it is the only major attraction to not have its budget axed it appears that it will be as good as anticipated.

Tron was supposed to be one as well, but since about 60% of its budget was cut from 2010 to now ...well, I'm expecting it to look good and not much else.

Crystal Grotto was always supposed to be a C-Ticket type experience. Don't know why people expected more ... I have had the plans of the attraction for a few years (I might have shared them with @Lee) and I don't see anything better or worse there without watching a ride-thru, which I will not do.

Maybe the fact it goes under the castle got people's expectations up. I dunno. It's a very nice, but basic little boat ride with fountains, music and projections.
 

Amused to Death

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Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

I don't do Twitter, but Googling his name pulls up his eleventy-seven SDL tweets from today alone. It also pulls up his (publicly viewable) Facebook page. He appears to be your average 26-year-old over-the-top Disney fanatic based on his FB posts. Disneyland lifestyler material, but hampered by living too far away in Las Vegas. He says he's a student at UNLV and works as "Social Media Manager" for the Rebel Yell. Apparently that doesn't pay, as he also works as a server at a restaurant. Maybe he's on Disney's payroll now, too. LOL!
 

WDW1974

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How disconnected from reality is my old pal, George Kalogridis?

Here's a message to WDW's CMs from The Head Queen of the Kingdom:


A Message from George: Crafting Memories, Creating Dreams
May 13, 2016 in Walt Disney World
For several years now, Walt Disney World has been investing in steps to further elevate the Guest experience. We are not setting our sights on simply raising attendance; rather, we are concentrating on making certain that every Guest has an unforgettable experience—one that vastly exceeds expectations. It’s what Walt was talking about when he said, “… quality will win out.” And it remains true today.
In fact, this week, we’ve demonstrated it.
Last night, at the ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex, we hosted the Closing Ceremonies for Invictus Games Orlando 2016—the world’s premier adaptive sports competition for wounded, sick or injured armed services personnel and veterans. During the four days of competition, athletes from 14 nations competed in sports ranging from wheelchair tennis, rugby, and basketball to swimming and track and field … and in doing so engaged the hearts of an entire world. If you witnessed the competition in person or on ESPN, you undoubtedly were inspired, and perhaps shed some tears of pride. And the venue we prepared for this event was absolutely world-class—a fitting tribute to the heroism of the competitors.
Add to this that, in just two days, we at Walt Disney World will—for the first time—have all four neighborhoods open in our retail, dining and entertainment district. We will also reveal the heart and soul of that district—the springs for which it is named. When completed, Disney Springs will double the number of shops, restaurants and other venues for guests to explore, resulting in more than 150 establishments. And all will exist in an amazing location that speaks to the site’s backstory—from The Ganachery, where items suggest the shop’s “roots” as a pharmacy, to Morimoto Asia Restaurant, where conveyer lines of bottles and a rooftop sign hint that the building once bottled spring water.
Within these venues, that great Guest experience was delivered—and will be delivered—thanks to the spirit, vision and indomitable, can-do attitude of one of the most amazing groups of people on earth: the Cast of Walt Disney World Resort.
Your hard work, dedication and willingness to go above and beyond do us proud. They did so with a major event that had the attention of royalty and former heads of state. They do so as we unveil the newest neighborhood in a shopping, dining and entertainment district that will soon welcome literally millions of Guests. And they are evident in the way that our Guests love this very special place.
If you have been reading these messages for a while, you know that I usually close them with a call to action. This week, my call is this: be proud of what you have done and be proud of what you are doing. Few organizations in the world could pull off what you accomplish so seemingly effortlessly. Even fewer concentrate so intensely on the Guest experience, and that is a very big part of what makes Disney … Disney.
GeorgeK_esig_2014.png

George A. Kalogridis
President, Walt Disney World Resort
 

futurecastmembr

Active Member
Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

Never heard of him before about six weeks ago and he tweets nonstop about ... Shanghai Disneyland. It's almost like a media campaign is going on.

Anyone know more about him, his history on Twitter, him possibly getting paid by a Disney contractor?

If Disney is hiring people to hype up Shanghai they are doing a horrible job because it is very hard to find pictures and videos even if you are looking for them. I know China censors the internet and has separate social media sites but still, it's a little strange that in the internet age a new Disney park just opened and the best you can see of it is a couple short, poorly filmed videos.
 

WDW1974

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I don't do Twitter, but Googling his name pulls up his eleventy-seven SDL tweets from today alone. It also pulls up his (publicly viewable) Facebook page. He appears to be your average 26-year-old over-the-top Disney fanatic based on his FB posts. Disneyland lifestyler material, but hampered by living too far away in Las Vegas. He says he's a student at UNLV and works as "Social Media Manager" for the Rebel Yell. Apparently that doesn't pay, as he also works as a server at a restaurant. Maybe he's on Disney's payroll now, too. LOL!

If he was working for Disney or, more likely, a Disney contractor, then he'd have to appear like a 'normal crazy fanboi' ...
I'm just curious if people noticed him on the Tweeter say ... 16 months ago or 22 months ago ... or, if like me, he just sorta popped up (fanbois do that all the time!) when the buildup to the debut of SDL began.
 

WDW1974

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If Disney is hiring people to hype up Shanghai they are doing a horrible job because it is very hard to find pictures and videos even if you are looking for them. I know China censors the internet and has separate social media sites but still, it's a little strange that in the internet age a new Disney park just opened and the best you can see of it is a couple short, poorly filmed videos.

I have found loads of stuff out there. I don't watch videos because I am planning on visiting the park fairly soon. I will look at still pics and read comments from people. There's plenty out there. ... As opposed to pics of Bob Iger at the park. (Yes, that will change in a month!)
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
How disconnected from reality is my old pal, George Kalogridis?

Here's a message to WDW's CMs from The Head Queen of the Kingdom:


A Message from George: Crafting Memories, Creating Dreams
May 13, 2016 in Walt Disney World
For several years now, Walt Disney World has been investing in steps to further elevate the Guest experience. We are not setting our sights on simply raising attendance; rather, we are concentrating on making certain that every Guest has an unforgettable experience—one that vastly exceeds expectations. It’s what Walt was talking about when he said, “… quality will win out.” And it remains true today.
In fact, this week, we’ve demonstrated it.
Last night, at the ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex, we hosted the Closing Ceremonies for Invictus Games Orlando 2016—the world’s premier adaptive sports competition for wounded, sick or injured armed services personnel and veterans. During the four days of competition, athletes from 14 nations competed in sports ranging from wheelchair tennis, rugby, and basketball to swimming and track and field … and in doing so engaged the hearts of an entire world. If you witnessed the competition in person or on ESPN, you undoubtedly were inspired, and perhaps shed some tears of pride. And the venue we prepared for this event was absolutely world-class—a fitting tribute to the heroism of the competitors.
Add to this that, in just two days, we at Walt Disney World will—for the first time—have all four neighborhoods open in our retail, dining and entertainment district. We will also reveal the heart and soul of that district—the springs for which it is named. When completed, Disney Springs will double the number of shops, restaurants and other venues for guests to explore, resulting in more than 150 establishments. And all will exist in an amazing location that speaks to the site’s backstory—from The Ganachery, where items suggest the shop’s “roots” as a pharmacy, to Morimoto Asia Restaurant, where conveyer lines of bottles and a rooftop sign hint that the building once bottled spring water.
Within these venues, that great Guest experience was delivered—and will be delivered—thanks to the spirit, vision and indomitable, can-do attitude of one of the most amazing groups of people on earth: the Cast of Walt Disney World Resort.
Your hard work, dedication and willingness to go above and beyond do us proud. They did so with a major event that had the attention of royalty and former heads of state. They do so as we unveil the newest neighborhood in a shopping, dining and entertainment district that will soon welcome literally millions of Guests. And they are evident in the way that our Guests love this very special place.
If you have been reading these messages for a while, you know that I usually close them with a call to action. This week, my call is this: be proud of what you have done and be proud of what you are doing. Few organizations in the world could pull off what you accomplish so seemingly effortlessly. Even fewer concentrate so intensely on the Guest experience, and that is a very big part of what makes Disney … Disney.
GeorgeK_esig_2014.png

George A. Kalogridis
President, Walt Disney World Resort

Geez this George has either sold his soul or is absolutely delusional or both.
 

WDW1974

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I guess that goes both ways though, can either of us comment on it? It's all one big assumption. That's part of the fun of the back and forth debate here

The arena and the petting zoo took over an area formerly occupied by a Walt-era E-ticket. The way we are throwing around the word destroy these days, I'd say that's up there. If we really want to talk about something mucking up the ROA - it was Fantasmic. Yet, when the end result is good, suddenly it fits neatly into what Walt would want. I have nothing against either and love Fantasmic, by the way.

The Walt-era E-Ticket disappeared in 1977, wasn't an original attraction and was changed multiple times by Walt himself. The RoA wasn't as impacted by Fantasmic as you are pushing here. You could stop the show tomorrow and the place looks largely as it did before. When Fantasmic isn't being performed, it doesn't impact the area at all.

The Star Wars Experience is like a giant tumor on the back of DL. Again, whether you like SW or not, the point is destroying so much of the park for an IP that doesn't belong there (unless you are a SW geek who doesn't care and just wants to pilot the 77 Pinto that Hans Solberger drives in the original film: The Wrath of George Lucas!)

The arena and BBQ/zoo are the only actual things that were guest accessible areas that are going away. Otherwise a ride is being shortened (~13%), another re-routed, Fantasmic is getting proper dedicated storage. That's it - well unless you are a lover of backstage areas.

No, what also is going away beyond all of those trees that have been cut down and hacked away is possibility: as in the possibility of putting something there that actually belongs or fits more naturally. As to the backstage areas, moving the horses off-site is going to lead to PETA pulling a Blackfish on Disney down the road about transporting them daily and within a decade you won't have horse-drawn streetcars. Take that to the bank. You also had the Pope House, a pre-DL structure get moved off-site.
Although yes, I can certainly comment on the trees and everything else I mentioned. It's all publicly available info at this point anyways.

Not really. You have no idea what trees were destroyed -- the vast, vast majority were removed ... and replanting isn't the same. I've been told since 2004-05 that the trees in Town Square and the Hub just need time to grow in. No, they don't. They are shrubs that are not able to grow much more because Disney wants the castle to tower over the park. Big trees and shade go against that edict.

I don't want to be obnoxious about it, but there are a few things I've staunchly 'assumed'. Even recently against the insider grain that have been on point. This is one of those times I'm being staunch. I don't mean to be a contrarian all the time, but I just like to jump in when I have something different to add to a conversation. If I don't, I'd rather not clutter things up with more of the same.

I think your opinion is obnoxious here. Frankly, I think all the SW and Marvel lovers who want their beloved IP thrown into Disney parks with no regard for the fact it is out of place to be obnoxious. If Bob truly had faith in how much people wanted to step into environments based on that IP, he could have built the 3rd park that Disney has land for, which also would have acted like a pressure valve on overcrowded DL ... again, if that IP is truly as beloved as people say.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I have stalked his twitter and instagram, because that's my expertise :D His Instagram is laced with the pretty typical obsessed Disney twink "omg I'm so fab look at me I'm at Dizney" fare. His Twitter, on the other hand, reeks of that truly cringeworthy Disney BRAND advocating that is so deeply despised on this forum. Would not surprise me if he let the Mouse take his soul and mind in exchange for this free publicity.

I had no idea these guys started their careers working for Disney

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Props to the first to correctly place this character.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I wonder if George was let anywhere near Michelle Obama or Prince Harry. I am working my minions to find out what private events may have occurred during the games.

Seriously, They would not let a Disney employee within a kilometer of either of those two the closest he got was a video link. Georgie is a mere servant on par with a royal footman.
 

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