A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

[the.dreamfinder]

Germane given the earlier discussion of SWE being shoehorned into and at the expense of DL.

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[ford91exploder]

"If there's one rule I live by, it's lubricate everything."

Especially in new england where the extremes of temp and humidity + salt cause corrosion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Their (China's) CM's aren't dressed to operate a power washer.

They shouldn't have to be doing 'any' of the cleaning. That's why TDO has a custodial staff.

What's good enough for TDO's custodial management isn't good enough for the Pavilions store/restaurant/attraction management.

Disney now staffs all custodial and maintenance positions in China?

You know there was a founder of a company that still bears his last name that once said, "If we can dream it, we can do it." And they used to actually INNOVATE and INVENT and just plain old CREATE, and not just wait for technology to mature, they used to mature it themselves! I wish I could remember who that was...oh, wait

Walt didn't say that...

 

[RobotWolf]

Walt didn't say that...

It was Tom Fitzgerald.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

It was Tom Fitzgerald.

But like, in their defense, Tom Fitzgerald is BASICALLY the new Walt.

 

[BlueSkyDriveBy]

Germane, given the earlier discussion of SWE being shoehorned into and at the expense of DL.
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OMG!

Worked @ DL in the late seventies; took summer graveyard shift for extra $$ and daytime sleeping at the beach. (My SoCal tan was incredible. Miracle if I don't get skin cancer from it.) Knew the upper backstage area well; multiple trips each night for trash disposal of merch shipping boxes we emptied into the onstage storage areas. Unless you've driven around that backstage area, you really don't know how effn HUGE this swath of dirt actually is!

I'm in shock. Lots of memories flooding in. And now... it's all gone. For a soap opera in space.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Germane, given the earlier discussion of SWE being shoehorned into and at the expense of DL.
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Wow, that's much worse than I thought. Looking at this picture really hammers in the severity of what's happening. We literally have a photographic representation of the heart and soul of Disneyland dying right before our very eyes.

 

[Amused to Death]

I honestly don't have a clue who in O-Town has the time or talent to do that ... they're too busy looking for freebies at cupcake parties. You think Brigante is going to do it ... how about Mongello? WDW has never been better!

I should have jumped on this back when I lived all of five minutes away. It would be a little hard for me now. Although I suppose I could take care of setting up the website and then let others do the reporting.

Wasn't there a site called WDWBlues?

I'd go with TragicKingdom.com, but some clown is squatting on it.

 

[BlueSkyDriveBy]

Thanks to the wonders of Google and satellites... here's the damage (forgive my lame PS skills):

If memory serves, that long building bordering Disneyland Drive is the old paint shop. I have no idea if it's also scheduled for demolition; I'd be surprised if they kept it.

Either way, it's a massive chunk of DL real estate.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I guess that goes both ways though, can either of us comment on it? It's all one big assumption. That's part of the fun of the back and forth debate here

The arena and the petting zoo took over an area formerly occupied by a Walt-era E-ticket. The way we are throwing around the word destroy these days, I'd say that's up there. If we really want to talk about something mucking up the ROA - it was Fantasmic. Yet, when the end result is good, suddenly it fits neatly into what Walt would want. I have nothing against either and love Fantasmic, by the way.

The arena and BBQ/zoo are the only actual things that were guest accessible areas that are going away. Otherwise a ride is being shortened (~13%), another re-routed, Fantasmic is getting proper dedicated storage. That's it - well unless you are a lover of backstage areas.

Although yes, I can certainly comment on the trees and everything else I mentioned. It's all publicly available info at this point anyways.

I don't want to be obnoxious about it, but there are a few things I've staunchly 'assumed'. Even recently against the insider grain that have been on point. This is one of those times I'm being staunch. I don't mean to be a contrarian all the time, but I just like to jump in when I have something different to add to a conversation. If I don't, I'd rather not clutter things up with more of the same.

I also wouldn't be surprised that if they had done Discovery Bay and Land of Legends (a Tall Tales themed area that would have been anchored by Western River Expedition), they'd have probably shrunk the river about as much as Star Wars is going to. And at the very least, it sounds like they're trying to keep both big boats functional. If Discovery Bay happened, they were going to permanently dock the Columbia.

 

[Quinnmac000]

I still really don't get how ABC plans to get above 4th in ratings when they cancelled Nashville which actually did best L+7 and overseas plus provided synergy for all the country music specials for Dogward Dog show about a talking dog and Imaginary Mary with i don't even know what that is in the teaser trailer.

 

[Mike S]

I also wouldn't be surprised that if they had done Discovery Bay and Land of Legends (a Tall Tales themed area that would have been anchored by Western River Expedition), they'd have probably shrunk the river about as much as Star Wars is going to. And at the very least, it sounds like they're trying to keep both big boats functional. If Discovery Bay happened, they were going to permanently dock the Columbia.

First I'm hearing of WRE going to Disneyland.

I actually just had a thought... What if it was resurrected with the tech of Shanghai Pirates?

 

[gmajew]

Their (China's) CM's aren't dressed to operate a power washer.

They shouldn't have to be doing 'any' of the cleaning. That's why TDO has a custodial staff.

What's good enough for TDO's custodial management isn't good enough for the Pavilions store/restaurant/attraction management.

That is what is different today from the past. In the past employees would pick up clean up and do it with a smile on there face. Now they won't touch it because it is not there job. It is everywhere problem with the workforce in general.

 

[wdwfan4ver]

Robert Niles for Theme Park Insider write an article called Why Guardians of the Galaxy > Twilight Zone for Disney's Tower of Terror.
Here's a link to it: http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201605/5069/

 

[WDW1974]

Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

Never heard of him before about six weeks ago and he tweets nonstop about ... Shanghai Disneyland. It's almost like a media campaign is going on.

Anyone know more about him, his history on Twitter, him possibly getting paid by a Disney contractor?

 

[ford91exploder]

Look, I know you don't believe Stana is leaving for reasons other than budgetary reasons, but I do. And once that happened, the better decision was to cancel the show than try to retool it without her. My husband, my Dad and I all reached the same conclusion that without Beckett, we just would stop watching the show. We can't be the only household that reached that conclusion. Battlebots is still just summer fare, and not taking a spot away from regular season shows.

The regular season shows I predict will be a flood of cheap to produce 'reality' shows and the schedule will be extremely light on scripted dramas. Just like battlebots is cheap to produce.

That said ABC leaves the craptastic 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.' on the schedule because 'Synergy' yet removes 'Agent Carter' from the summer schedule which was a far better show. If I want to watch a show where the good guys get slaughtered by an unstoppable bad guy I can watch Arrow on the CW which has better production values.

 

[ford91exploder]

Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

Never heard of him before about six weeks ago and he tweets nonstop about ... Shanghai Disneyland. It's almost like a media campaign is going on.

Anyone know more about him, his history on Twitter, him possibly getting paid by a Disney contractor?

Are we even sure he's real not some figment out of CP?

 

[WDW1974]

Robert Niles for Theme Park Insider write an article called Why Guardians of the Galaxy > Twilight Zone for Disney's Tower of Terror.
Here's a link to it: http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201605/5069/

Was going to comment on this and saw the post. Disappointing that Robert Niles continues his plunge down the Lifestyler Ladder by kissing up to Disney social media with crap content like this. I'd expect it from the low levels and low lifes, but really?!?!

What a weak column. All I can think about with that and the recent Micechat column is Disney is very desperate to spin this as a good thing. Oh, and I appreciate so much how everyone has borrowed the 'news' from this site -- AND ME -- and no one gave credit.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Just wondering from my friends here who troll the Twitverse ... but what do you know about this twinky Dakota McKinnon 'kid'?

Never heard of him before about six weeks ago and he tweets nonstop about ... Shanghai Disneyland. It's almost like a media campaign is going on.

Anyone know more about him, his history on Twitter, him possibly getting paid by a Disney contractor?

That guys scares me....well they all mostly do but him in particular.

 

[WDW1974]

I agree with @WDW1974 that I am getting too old for "just wait". I do not want to visit promises anymore. The park formerly known as Disney MGM Studios inspired my daughter to become an artist, illustrator and animator. The park that Epcot was, inspired my children to look beyond the existing and embrace the possible. I was older when I had them and will collect retirement payments in a week.

I worry that I may never see the promised WDW of the future.

I look back to my childhood ... and my teens ... and my 20s ... and even into my 30s ... and WDW was constantly adding fresh content and plussing existing content. You were always given new reasons to return before you ever left, from preview centers to 'Coming Soons' and 'What's New Around Our World' in the back of brochures, park maps etc.

It is astounding how stale WDW has become in the 21st century. All the time.

And how they tout things like the Star Wars Launch Bay where you can meet Kylo Ren as an actual reason to visit. BTW, I need to find it, but recently Disney placed on the Hub 27 reasons to visit DHS ... some of them literally were things like 'Feel like the star you are as you sip a latte or iced tea at Starbucks" (I am not blanking you!)

The most amazing thing is how ignorant and arrogant management is. For instance, Disney really believes that come five weeks from now when Soarin and Frozenstrom open that EPCOT will essentially be 'fixed' because they will be the only two draws in an empty park (well, three if you include the Frozen sisters meet-greet-and-grope). Since experiencing those three 'attractions' without a FP will take your entire day, they see no reason to actually do a damn thing.