A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

Nmoody1

Well-Known Member
Well, just like that I am back in England from my 2 days in Shanghai.

I was 15 people from the front of line for park opening, then, despite having e tickets we were sent to ticket windows to pick up paper tickets .. We then headed to the turnstiles and missed an opportunity to be in coral 1a. ..but made it into 1b. Aside from this hiccup (and 3 western suits giving us false info), everything was set out very well... and it very much felt like they had anticipated much larger numbers. I didn't see an body walking around with a number 4 (donald) wristband, but peering through a fence by the metro, an area had been set up.

The park opened slightly earlier than announced, all the Cast lined along Mickey Avenue was a lovely touch... Most looked genuinely excited and despite hating that boxy looking castle for as long as I can remember, in person I was in awe! It really needs to be seen to be appreciated. Headed to get a fastpass for Soarin(g) and went straight on Pirates. I was blown away - there are some amazing effects, whilst we moan about screens - these were on point and transitions between screen and set was perfect. We had a small blip in the scene between the boat battle - but most people didn't realise. I'll say it again, I stepped off of that ride and was literally speechless. If Avatar boat ride ends up like that, I am all for it!

We caught the parade... it has a nice energy and some good costumes. It's also a mostly a good mix of dancer to character ratios - I'd like to see a couple more characters in the parade - mushu would have been good. I didn't see Mickey, but I may have missed him in the excitement. I stood next to where the parade steps off... right in front of the toy story toilets and peered through the fence at a ground cleared expanse!

Fantasyland is huge - with quite obvious areas for expansion (I'm sure you've seen the picnic spots). We did Peter Pan and Crystal Grotto after fireworks and walked on both. Peter pan was good, smooth and had a classic feel about it... almost too classic in a park that is so modern. Crystal Grotto we were told to do at night. It's pretty and cute.you won't see me petitioning for it to come to the US, but it makes for a very good alternative to Storybook canal.

Tomorrowland has done something I wish they had done in New Fantasyland - built am attraction and added dining on top. Genius! Imagine a ride through beat and the beast underneath be our guest! Buzz was ok. Industrial looking. I won't rave about it, but the lasers and the light up targets were welcome! With fountains, and Tron, the land is very kinetic and once they replace Marvel Universe (I didn't see many approach) the land will feel a bit fuller. When we got fastpasses for Tron there was a 30 min wait for tron and a 60 minute wait for jet packs. Tron desperately needs more lockers!

We fastpassed Soaring - which was the slowest moving line of the day. I think it was having tech issues. Pre show woman seemed annoying - but she was speaking Mandarin! Just an observation - through pre show video was shot at DCA (it has the round buttons on the seat belts) but they use the florida style button in Shanghai. .. just an observation! :)

I like the new smells... although it's very bath and body works. I do miss the orange and fir though! Like the nods to Disneyland - I won't spoil it for anyone.Did look for a cameo from Bob Iger like Michael Eisner had, but I didn't notice it on this trip!

Food in the park was good. We ate in Barbosa's bounty. I had ribs and most of the group had chicken. There were no complaints. But there were Shanghai themed napkins!

Later in the day I had a muffin at Remy's patisserie - it was ok. Not ground breaking as muffins go. I'd have like there to have been a few more pastry options here. Everything looked nice, but seating was sparse. We had to sit with some random folks, who didn't appreciate sitting with strangers. On that note, most westerners and visitors from Tokyo were all so excited to be there and there were many conversations, hello's and good feeling.

To wind up (I need my bed!) Gardens of Imagination was smaller and less garden - like than I had thought it would be. It needs some fountains or something.

Fireworks show was too long and lacking impressive pyro. I am a fan of old, less eco friendly pyro though! The lasers were great but the fountains were lost on such a big castle.

Adventure Isle has great theming and the entrance to Treasure Cove looking toward the land has so much depth. .. you really are pulled in - something that due to positioning of Roaring Mountain there isn't much pull in from Gardens of Imagination... I'm guessing if an everest mountain makes it there, that will be the weenie, at least from outside the land.

I love tomorrow land's design, it just needs more substance.

FANTASYLAND needs more in the way of dark rides, but for the size of it, more attractions will be welcome when they arrive.

Disney have done a fantastic job here. I actually have very few negative things to say. And I took the fastpass system as acknowledgement that MyMagic+ is dead!
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Much like it didn't have much sense to have Soarin' Over California in Epcot. You're right, but I'm glad they're upgrading it there too, as much as I loved the original.
Exactly, prior to yesterday, The ride did not make sense in Epcot but and made sense in DCA. Today it makes perfect sense in Epcot and no sense in DCA. I am hoping this is a temporary arrangement. The park that is about the world should have the world version and the park about California should have the California version.
 

CJR

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Much like it didn't have much sense to have Soarin' Over California in Epcot. You're right, but I'm glad they're upgrading it there too, as much as I loved the original.

One made more sense than the other though. Epcot isn't themed to California, but Soarin worked because it was The Land. Sure it was concentrated in CA, but it wasn't necessarily out of place like the new film is in DCA. It'll be nice for DCA to have something new, but I am hopeful the old film or a new one (over California) will take its place once the Around the World film has worn out its newness.
 

Nmoody1

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Celebration Cafe, which you listed as one of the food places in Toy Story Land back a few years ago, is actually open and serving food. Though it's not themed to Toy Story at all, and I don't know if that plans to change.

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I hope they at least change something, because nothing in that picture invokes the feeling of a celebration. Except for the fact that celebrations usually look temporary...

I don't know of anyone replied, but the imagery was on temporary tarps... This will most certainly get the toy story treatment!
 

BrerJon

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Disney have done a fantastic job here. I actually have very few negative things to say. And I took the fastpass system as acknowledgement that MyMagic+ is dead!

Are you saying they use paper FastPasses? That's good news.

It's interesting to me that the Chinese don't seem to have much love for Peter Pan, whereas in every other castle park it's one of the longest lines, wonder if that's due to poor IP recognition.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
But the truly State of the art part is the WiFi guidance system. It is a far more complex system that Energy/GMR.
The reason I heard that they went with that type guidance system is because people in the queue get a good look at the trucks and they really wanted them to look like actual trucks. Which they do.
The guidance system is a complete waste of money. A guide-by-wire system could easily have been just as invisible without the added expense and headache of making it work. The tires have already started to wear their path into the surface making their route plenty visible to those in the queue. Unnecessary technology doesn't make up for a lackluster attraction.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
To be fair, I think people would just be happy about a new actual ride in WDW. LOL. As has been said here, gotta give credit to Universal for actually building things.

Oh yeah, Most of us would be overjoyed at the ADDITION of a new E-ticket ANYWHERE on Disney property. Sadly there are no no new E-tickets anywhere in sight Soarin over Pandora and the boat ride let's face it are at best D-ticket attractions.

It's just the Disney Fanboi's have this weird mindset where the cuts in quality and service are MAGICal and anything NEW built anywhere else automatically sucks, Theme park Stockholm Syndrome I guess.
 

shortstop

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Oh yeah, Most of us would be overjoyed at the ADDITION of a new E-ticket ANYWHERE on Disney property. Sadly there are no no new E-tickets anywhere in sight Soarin over Pandora and the boat ride let's face it are at best D-ticket attractions.
I don't think us regular folk have enough information on the new attractions to comment on their caliber, but I find it hard to believe they'd spend so much on Avatarland and NOT have at least one of the attractions be an E.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I don't think us regular folk have enough information on the new attractions to comment on their caliber, but I find it hard to believe they'd spend so much on Avatarland and NOT have at least one of the attractions be an E.


Assuming the rumors we've heard are correct the Banshee ride is simply an upgraded Soarin system, And let's face it Soarin is not a E-ticket experience and it's hard to imagine making that system a E-ticket. Most of the Avatar spend is on the environment not the attraction systems.

You are correct there is insufficient data for a conclusion but based on what Disney has done recently Pandora will have been designed to be cheap to maintain like NFL even if that compromises the attraction experience.
 

shortstop

Well-Known Member
Assuming the rumors we've heard are correct the Banshee ride is simply an upgraded Soarin system, And let's face it Soarin is not a E-ticket experience and it's hard to imagine making that system a E-ticket. Most of the Avatar spend is on the environment not the attraction systems.

You are correct there is insufficient data for a conclusion but based on what Disney has done recently Pandora will have been designed to be cheap to maintain like NFL even if that compromises the attraction experience.
All I can say is I hope that's not the case. Sounds like FoP will be slightly more than just an upgraded Soarin', and if the river ride uses tech from Shanghai PotC, then well I'm relatively optimistic about that one too.
 

mickey v-neck

Active Member
Oh yeah, Most of us would be overjoyed at the ADDITION of a new E-ticket ANYWHERE on Disney property. Sadly there are no no new E-tickets anywhere in sight Soarin over Pandora and the boat ride let's face it are at best D-ticket attractions.

It's just the Disney Fanboi's have this weird mindset where the cuts in quality and service are MAGICal and anything NEW built anywhere else automatically sucks, Theme park Stockholm Syndrome I guess.

You're judging two attractions you've never ridden and know very little about, yet others are the ones with the "weird mindset?"

Solid take, bro.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
I don't know how the show buildings compare in size, but given Shanghai was in development before Avatar, dare we hope that the Pandora boat ride is a reskin of Shanghai's pirates? If it's of that caliber, in addition to a more personalised Soarin', those would be two pretty impressive anchors for the land. Hopefully it's more Sunken Treasure than Crystal Grotto.
 

No Name

Well-Known Member
Are you saying they use paper FastPasses? That's good news.

It's interesting to me that the Chinese don't seem to have much love for Peter Pan, whereas in every other castle park it's one of the longest lines, wonder if that's due to poor IP recognition.

Yes, they use paper fastpass, like WDW's old fastpass system. One difference is that the stations/feeders are at one central location in each land rather than at the front of each ride (which I think is an improvement).

And the lines are long for Peter Pan at the other parks because the capacity is atrocious. Magic Kingdom, Disneyland, and Tokyo all have abysmal capacity. However, Paris and Shanghai's boats have two rows instead of one, which allows for a greater number of riders per hour, and therefore keeps the line shorter.

So Shanghai and Paris would be a fair comparison, but the other parks, not so much.
 

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