PhotoDave219
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There has to be some Manipulating happening. Likely a lot of first clicks and then park hopping to MK.
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There has to be some Manipulating happening. Likely a lot of first clicks and then park hopping to MK.
I see a lot of US based fans talking about all of SDL's E-Tickets and them having more than any park has opened with and ... I'm really befuddled. Leaving out non-castle parks because people sometimes have difficulty considering non-rides to be E caliber, I'm just as confused.
DLP, for instance, opened with PotC, PM, Small World, BTMRR, Star Tours and added Space Mountain very quickly.
At SDL, what is E-caliber (leaving shows out because, again, most fans don't include those)? Pirates ... Soarin' ... and ... and ... I know people want Tron to be and Roaring Rapids, but the former is incredibly short (and lost over half its original budget) and the latter ... well, I personally have a hard time with any raft ride being rated that highly ... and this one has had issues getting operational. But even then ... let's say all four are 'E' caliber. That's it. And their hourly capacity is so much lower than the DLP lineup.
DLP, for instance, opened with PotC, PM, Small World, BTMRR, Star Tours and added Space Mountain very quickly.
At SDL, what is E-caliber (leaving shows out because, again, most fans don't include those)? Pirates ... Soarin' ... and ... and ... I know people want Tron to be and Roaring Rapids, but the former is incredibly short (and lost over half its original budget) and the latter ... well, I personally have a hard time with any raft ride being rated that highly ... and this one has had issues getting operational. But even then ... let's say all four are 'E' caliber. That's it. And their hourly capacity is so much lower than the DLP lineup.
Mike S
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Reminds me of that Frozen Summer Fun that was hastily put together a few years ago.
Sadly, that's the life of being a significant voice (or owning a significant site) in today's fan community. You have to either ignore it or feed off of it. I do a bit of both myself!
I still don't believe the MK numbers are all they are claimed to be. The crowds you see at MK maybe two-three weeks a year (tops) are seen at TDL over half the year, for instance. I don't think MK numbers are faked or anything like that. ... I think WDW employs all sorts of misdirection with its numbers, though. Hard ticket parties, cast comps, hopping etc ... they have a methodology that massages legit numbers and gets them to say anything.
Here we are on what is traditionally known as the first Saturday of the summer season and I'll bet you that many MK attractions are walk-ons right now (likely with posted waits of 20-30-45 minutes).
Big C 73
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It was rather quaint (in the measure of the foremost attendance numbers) in the Magic Kingdom yesterday evening, and the majority of this whole past week just as well.
I admit it, one of my guilty pleasures is reading Derek Burgan's (known to me as "that dude who writes an outlet store column and can you believe it? HAS AN INTERN?!?!") monthly blogs about the treasures (and mostly trash) that gets dumped into O-Town's Disney outlet stores. I even sat having coffee doing a running tab of how much of his own money he was burn...I mean spending at said store recently ... I think I stopped at $75. Then I started to realize that being part of Len Testa's little empire must pay better than I thought.
He needs to expand coverage to Cast Connection (although TDO likely wouldn't like that) because it truly is astounding what crap Disney keeps in warehouses and then attempts to foist on its cast and ... Guests smart enough to know the outlets exist. There is stuff at both locales that never saw the light of day in an actual WDW retail location and it fascinates how Disney will attempt to sell things that other companies would have given away or thrown out.
He needs to expand coverage to Cast Connection (although TDO likely wouldn't like that) because it truly is astounding what crap Disney keeps in warehouses and then attempts to foist on its cast and ... Guests smart enough to know the outlets exist. There is stuff at both locales that never saw the light of day in an actual WDW retail location and it fascinates how Disney will attempt to sell things that other companies would have given away or thrown out.
MerlinTheGoat
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I was at AK last night. I missed the Jungle Book and Awakening shows. From videos online, JB looks like what it is- a hastily cobbled together interim show until RoL is done (kind of like the show they had in EPCOT while Communicore was being gutted for Innoventions). Probably more comparable to the streetmosphere stuff already present in the park. Nothing special, but also not anything inappropriate or even bad either. The night lighting on the tree is nice, and I spotted one of the animal sculptures moving via projection (which was a cool little effect that seems to play occasionally). Though I did think the leaves were supposed to having lights on them throughout the night (as in individual lights and not just projected spotlights shining out of the top), maybe that is only for RoL and I misinterpreted...
So all I really did was just walk around the park a bit and rode the night safari. I was concerned the park lighting would not be enough, but I was wrong. It is gorgeous at night to just walk around and enjoy the sights. An already gorgeous park during the day is still just as much so after dark, very pleased.
The night safari I was less pleased with. I am aware from riding during the day that the experience can vary depending on animal activity. That for me was not a problem, there actually were plenty of animals. The problem is that they were all just EXTREMELY difficult to see. The lighting itself is not poorly designed from a color perspective, but there is just not enough light to see things very effectively. Even up close (we did get pretty close to some of the animals) it is very hard to see them. The pictures Disney released of the ride before it opened (a month or so ago) are not at all accurate to how visible the animals are. The one cool aspect was the sunset effect. It doesn't really look like a sunset from afar, rather more like a savanna fire or something actually, but it does look fairly nice when closer to it. Either way I found it to be a pretty effect personally.
But the more serious issue is the discomfort in riding. I walked away with some back pain, and my mom walked away with some motion sickness and had her hip arthritis aggravated. Not issues we ever have when riding during the day. There were many occasions where the driver was not staying on the road at all, and going WAY too fast in places they shouldn't. I do not think this was fully excusable even with the added darkness. Doubt i will ride this much at night again unless they can continue tweaking the experience. Maybe i will ride again to see if I can get a less reckless driver, but the lighting problems are likely not going to be fixed. But I would like to experience it at actual sunset.
But I do highly recommend Animal Kingdom as a whole at night, it is absolutely lovely just to walk around and enjoy the scenery. Even missing some of the other new nightly events I enjoyed myself. Sorry for the long post, just wanted to give some of my impressions.
EDIT- By the way, the park was not as crowded as I expected it to be. The safari was the longest wait, but that is fairly normal (it wasn't even that long). I also think it was running at considerably reduced efficiency, the line was definitely moving much slower than normal and jeeps were arriving and leaving much slower. Did not seem because of backups on the road, perhaps because of the darkness. The other rides weren't even that long, earlier in the evening just after dark Kali, Everest and Dinosaur only had posted 10 minutes waits. Even later they weren't super long either. And security was sending EVERYONE through the metal detectors last night.
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Nickels5
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I get that but the previews I saw tonight for the Kong ride left me unimpressed. But keep letting the hype machine get to you.
Absimilliard
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I know some kind of "insider" from France was at SDL recently. I believe he's a Disney plant as he and another guy went out of their way to trash you. He also guaranteed that EVERY ride and show at SDL will be up on opening day. He also claimed that we've known for years (gee, who revealed that?) that Toy Story Land was coming.
On the topic of SDL, I was recently told one possible reason for the Pirates Stunt Show delay: a main sewage pipe broken under the stage and flooded the facility with 6 feet of raw sewage! For Roaring Rapids, I see two possible reasons: river rapids are the most difficult ride to test and adjust and so many things can go wrong. Or, the dinosaur who is supposed to scare the guests off the boat is not working correctly, which is a problem if he was to reach into the ride envelope.
BrianLo
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Why would they want that though? I understand the motivation for keeping their ailing parks like DHS inflated. But wouldn't they want to crow about their massive attendance gains at DCA since they spent all that money trying to do just that?
Or is it just a case of first clicks really not representing actual crowd flow at DLR?
lazyboy97o
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More importantly, why would AECOM care so much?
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Because it allows them to compare different themed entertainment venues accurately
lazyboy97o
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
the TEA numbers are compiled by AECOM (the statisticians not the construction company)
lazyboy97o
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Yes... Stating that doesn't explain their interest in keeping Walt Disney World's numbers inflated.
Cesar R M
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plot twist.. its actually an Universal Studios restaurant toilet paper.There's only one problem with that picture. Disney would never pay for themed toilet paper any more
Cesar R M
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Its part of the human nature I think... sometimes we just love seeing a cascading trainwreck of misery and stupidity.It's kind of funny that the only one that follows these folks around here is you.
I kind of rely on you like I do my friends who watch that Kardashian show. It's nothing I'd waste my time at, but when something outrageous happens I know you follow them all so closely that we'll hear about it.
Cesar R M
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But why would still keep underreporting DCA? they still want to claim that Disney World is the prima dona, the golden eggs goose until Shanghai Disneyland opens?
Makes me wonder, were cupcakes involved in THEIRs?
Cesar R M
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'til they have to leave the dinosaur AA in Yeti Disco mode.
You mean the hype of the Jungle Book show? or the Night Safaris?
The hype train goes both ways... Yours is just blinded by Disney.