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[Pixieish]

No longer working for a company that he doesn't seem to want anything to do with?

He did seem pretty disgusted with Disney's reaction.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

There were several reasons why his show may have been canceled by ABC. Considering they were the ones who were fine with the Roseanne reboot having a decidedly right-wing slant, it doesn't really hold water that his show was canceled for political reasons. It was, more likely, a financial decision based upon the fact that it was six seasons in, ABC didn't own the show, and it wasn't such a ratings powerhouse that it would have been foolish to cancel it. Disney certainly doesn't have a problem with Tim Allen, as they still have a working relationship with him via Toy Story. He was even at the opening of Toy Story Land.

It was not political or ratings based, their contracts were up and ABC didn’t want to pay.

 

[Nubs70]

Wouldn't it be nice if that's how it worked.

Here is of what I speak

 

[Pixieish]

Here is of what I speak

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Can't like this enough.

 

[Mike S]

I’m going to have to strongly disagree with most of the posters here...

My Great Grandma who is in her 90s can sometimes say things that are culturally insensitive. I understand why. She grew up in another time and even if I spent weeks with her, she just wouldn’t GET IT. She isn’t a bad person, just not totally aware. Her standards of acceptable are different than mine. If she says something wrong- it’s a mistake.

If a person grows up in an insular place where everyone looks the same and thinks the same, and then visits another place where his views clash with typical values- I’d give that person the benefit of the doubt. They just don’t GET IT. It’s a mistake.

If someone is speaking for several hours and they say something stupid, that’s a mistake.

Did James Gunn make a “mistake?” Did he accidentaly make a slip of the tounge where he was misunderstood? Does he not understand taboos? Does he come from a different place where his values are the norm or harmless?

No.

James Gunn was, in his own words, a “provocateur.” His tweets are the exact opposite of a mistake, instead, they are explicitly designed to elicit the responses we are having now. Anything from disgust to laughter. His tweets were designed to create dissension and even hatred among groups of people.

They are inherently polarizing.

Is it a mistake to regularly joke about crimes against children, make fun of those with AIDs, mock LGBT individuals, etc? No.

He KNEW exactly what he was doing.

Now, a decade later, he has worked very hard to escape the past. Like a time bomb, it was bound to go off at some point.

Can people change? Yes. But he cannot escape this unscathed. Directors are influencers and can change culture and public opinion. They are powerful and can sway groups of people to different opinions. Do we want our influencers to be able to make those horrendous statements and then help lead culture? I don’t. Frankly, his comments are messed up. I really struggle to see myself supporting any of his work for a while. Maybe in the future, but not now. He has to pay for the behavior he exhibited back then. “But he apologized!” This level of consistent behavior needs more. He does need to suffer a bit. Call it “the mob mentality,” but what he said and did are beyond the the line of defense.

At the end of the day either The Walt Disney Company has values, or it doesn’t. Period.

I hope he returns, but not for a while. Horn did the hard, but right thing.

Consistent behavior? He stopped for all this time after already being caught and apologizing years ago. Obviously Disney thought it was enough when he was first hired by them. You’re basically saying being able to redeem yourself after doing something wrong shouldn’t be allowed and I fundamentally disagree with that.

 

[Pixieish]

Consistent behavior? He stopped for all this time after already being caught and apologizing years ago. Obviously Disney thought it was enough when he was first hired by them. You’re basically saying being able to redeem yourself after doing something wrong shouldn’t be allowed and I fundamentally disagree with that.

AMEN.

 

[DDLand]

Consistent behavior? He stopped for all this time after already being caught and apologizing years ago. Obviously Disney thought it was enough when he was first hired by them. You’re basically saying being able to redeem yourself after doing something wrong shouldn’t be allowed and I fundamentally disagree with that.

When I made a mistake growing up, my parents would punish me. They would take away something or make me fix what I had done.

So he said sorry about a part of his disgusting comments a few years ago. Then what? He proceeded to make millions and direct and produce various films and attractions. He got a slap on the wrist. It made no impact on his meteoric rise to fame and riches within the Walt Disney Co. Retribution is a part of apologizing, and as far as I can tell, he hasn’t had to do anything more than say sorry. Saying sorry is only the first step. Change takes real effort and even discomfort.

What if I decided I wanted to make fun of victims of abuse on twitter up until it would hinder my career? Does that sound right? Of course not. I would deserve the consequences of my actions.

You simply CANNOT strip consequence from action if you want an honest and healthy society. James will be fine. He’ll have a few million to play with, and then he can work his way back. But not now.

He knew better.

Wow. Just, wow. He already proved he had changed but put him on the chopping block anyway.

For the sake of the other posters I’m going to respond here.

So by your logic, if a enough time goes by without this going public, it’s okay? Come on. He hasn’t proven anything. All I see is a man who was offensive up until it didn’t fit his needs anymore. He stopped not because he wanted to, but because it made financial sense to. Now is the time for him to really grow up.

 

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Mickey's 90th Birthday D23 Panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2018

 

[Mike S]

When I made a mistake growing up, my parents would punish me. They would take away something or make me fix what I had done.

So he said sorry about a part of his disgusting comments a few years ago. Then what? He proceeded to make millions and direct and produce various films and attractions. He got a slap on the wrist. It made no impact on his meteoric rise to fame and riches within the Walt Disney Co. Retribution is a part of apologizing, and as far as I can tell, he hasn’t had to do anything more than say sorry. Saying sorry is only the first step. Change takes real effort and even discomfort.

What if I decided I wanted to make fun of victims of abuse on twitter up until it would hinder my career? Does that sound right? Of course not. I would deserve the consequences of my actions.

You simply CANNOT strip consequence from action if you want an honest and healthy society. James will be fine. He’ll have a few million to play with, and then he can work his way back. But not now.

He knew better.

Wow. Just, wow. He already proved he had changed but put him on the chopping block anyway.

 

[TeriofTerror]

That is NOT what happened. Not that I can blame her for being upset after the entirety of social and traditional media screamed she was an evil racist for the past two months.

Roseanne sent the tweet at like 2:30AM, and it was deleted by her own accord and she apologized at like 7:30AM, *before* the media even got a hold of it.

Hours after that, she is fired from her own television show. And since, the media has continued to label her a definitive racist and has tried to completely erase her from the map.

Yes, she admitted was on Ambien and alcohol - which people LOVE to make jokes about, but apparently they have forgotten about the countless stories about people on Ambien driving and doing all sorts of things because it impairs judgement. Not to mention, as she has said from the beginning, she thought the woman was white. Judging by a lot of pictures, in many, I can see exactly why.

Yet, she didn't even say that stuff until it was clear people were not going to stop hounding her and making sure her reputation was ruined. You go back and read the original apologies - she took full responsibility, but people didn't accept her apology and demanded more. So she gave further explanation, and then people come after her all over again for making "excuses" - it would be comical if not so tyrannical, it is the equivalent of grabbing someones arm and repeatedly using it to hit them while saying "stop hitting yourself, why are you hitting yourself?"

The videos she has released over the weekend are a product of the fact that the woman has well-known mental illnesses, and this has been two months of an unprecedented attack on her where 80%+ of it is completely politically fueled. People don't want to hear the facts, they just want to put her in some "evil racist!" box because she supported the President. Let's not pretend it is anything otherwise.

So I cannot blame her, after having her career destroyed, being tossed out like trash, and having her legacy basically erased over a drunken tweet sent in the middle of the night, for looking at the camera and screaming "I THOUGHT SHE WAS WHITE!" since no one apparently will listen or care. She has nothing to lose at this point. Have you seen the mountains and mountains of bile that has been spilled her way over this? No human, particularly one that already has mental health issues, is going to perform well when the mob is a) not satisfied with them no matter what they say, and b) has already issued the "death" sentence so quickly and definitively without even listening to what was being said.

Disney isn't hiring back Roseanne, nor is it hiring Gunn. And the folks that have a problem with that are just going to have to make peace with the fact that by cheering what happened to Roseanne (zero tolerance, complete erasure) or Milo Yiannopoulous or Billy Bush, they set the stage for this one - and the ones that are happening in the future (some of which are about to happen as we speak).

"Rick and Morty" fans, brace yourselves - Dan Harmon is next. The social media mobs have already moved on from Gunn, they have their next target already in motion. Dan Harmon Deletes Twitter Account After His 2009 Baby Rape Video Resurfaces.

Wait, wait, wait; I combine alcohol and Ambien with regrettable frequency, yet somehow I've never made any racist tweets.
Probably because I'm not, you know, racist.

 

[Indy_UK]

I sadly just can’t get over the fact that Gunn made jokes about sexual acts on a child. People say it’s a joke but for me, it’s a joke too far....

 

[AEfx]

Wait, wait, wait; I combine alcohol and Ambien with regrettable frequency, yet somehow I've never made any racist tweets.
Probably because I'm not, you know, racist.

Nor are you in any way, shape, or form, original, apparently. There are like 7,000,000 people who have made that joke over the past two months, it is spent. Can't you be more original in your snark?

As I said, it does impair judgement. And judgement means what jokes are and are not funny and/or should or should not be shared to the world.

Not to mention, anyone who seriously thinks Roseanne is a racist is just intellectually dishonest based on all evidence. She didn't know the woman was black. What she said was ignorant, not racist. There used to be a difference.

But I know, it's so easy to make the painfully overdone and obvious joke, virtue signal, and then snap away...because you think it is justified because you want to believe that this is a picture of a abhorrent racist:

 

[Pixieish]

Nor are you in any way, shape, or form, original, apparently. There are like 7,000,000 people who have made that joke over the past two months, it is spent. Can't you be more original in your snark?

As I said, it does impair judgement. And judgement means what jokes are and are not funny and/or should or should not be shared to the world.

Not to mention, anyone who seriously thinks Roseanne is a racist is just intellectually dishonest based on all evidence. She didn't know the woman was black. What she said was ignorant, not racist. There used to be a difference.

But I know, it's so easy to make the painfully overdone and obvious joke, virtue signal, and then snap away...because you think it is justified because you want to believe that this is a picture of a abhorrent racist:

Another one I can't like enough!

 

[FigmentForver96]

Nor are you in any way, shape, or form, original, apparently. There are like 7,000,000 people who have made that joke over the past two months, it is spent. Can't you be more original in your snark?

As I said, it does impair judgement. And judgement means what jokes are and are not funny and/or should or should not be shared to the world.

Not to mention, anyone who seriously thinks Roseanne is a racist is just intellectually dishonest based on all evidence. She didn't know the woman was black. What she said was ignorant, not racist. There used to be a difference.

But I know, it's so easy to make the painfully overdone and obvious joke, virtue signal, and then snap away...because you think it is justified because you want to believe that this is a picture of a abhorrent racist:

If you wrote a book on this topic I would buy the hell out of it. People just don't get it. They think that somehow they are fighters, warriors, upholders of moral justice and truth when really they are just people looking for issues. I'd wager many people don't even truly know why they get offended by most things, they just have such an overwhelming desire to fit in with the majority that they blindly follow their lead. Dangerous

 

[TeriofTerror]

Nor are you in any way, shape, or form, original, apparently. There are like 7,000,000 people who have made that joke over the past two months, it is spent. Can't you be more original in your snark?

As I said, it does impair judgement. And judgement means what jokes are and are not funny and/or should or should not be shared to the world.

Not to mention, anyone who seriously thinks Roseanne is a racist is just intellectually dishonest based on all evidence. She didn't know the woman was black. What she said was ignorant, not racist. There used to be a difference.

But I know, it's so easy to make the painfully overdone and obvious joke, virtue signal, and then snap away...because you think it is justified because you want to believe that this is a picture of a abhorrent racist:

Original? Perhaps not. But true, all the same.
And let's not pretend as though this were an isolated incident on her part.

 

[AEfx]

Original? Perhaps not. But true, all the same.
And let's not pretend as though this were an isolated incident on her part.

Oh yeah, there was also a tweet from 2013 that people misinterpreted too, right. If we are going to go back there, then we shouldn't be arguing about James Gunn, then. If you want to go back and talk history then it is the same situation.

Given how while trying to make a joke you inadvertently admitted above to abusing prescription drugs with alcohol, frequently, no less, though, I will rephrase - anyone who actually thinks Roseanne is a virulent racist and just didn't make an ignorant joke is either being intellectually dishonest, or otherwise unable to congnatively look at the facts.

 

[TeriofTerror]

Oh yeah, there was also a tweet from 2013 that people misinterpreted too, right. If we are going to go back there, then we shouldn't be arguing about James Gunn, then. If you want to go back and talk history then it is the same situation, then.

Given how while trying to make a joke you inadvertently admitted above to abusing prescription drugs with alcohol, frequently, no less, though, I will rephrase - anyone who actually thinks Roseanne is a virulent racist and just didn't make an ignorant joke is either being intellectually dishonest, or otherwise unable to congnatively look at the facts.

I don't care what the ethnicity was of the person she was referencing; her statement was deplorable in any context.

 

[flynnibus]

The problem is... no one is allowed to joke anymore.

Everyone takes any words as if they are the worst possible offensive or hate.

We used to use words in humor.. because... people knew what the extremes the word conveyed. Cue... Chris Rock's "I hate n***" stand-up.

Now, even the word used in intellectual uses... some people act like you just punched their baby by having the nerve to say the world aloud. Even when the word isn't used in spite, hate, or anything.

The problem is people are more afraid of the WORDS now than actually what the words were intended to do.

I think its a continuation of the lack of interest in understanding.. and the 'leap to conclusions' attitude most people have these days.

It's entirely possible to have jokes that are simply in bad taste... but now people put bad taste in the same category as those who physical harm others, etc.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

 

[Nubs70]

If you wrote a book on this topic I would buy the hell out of it. People just don't get it. They think that somehow they are fighters, warriors, upholders of moral justice and truth when really they are just people looking for issues. I'd wager many people don't even truly know why they get offended by most things, they just have such an overwhelming desire to fit in with the majority that they blindly follow their lead. Dangerous

People like to be offended by things they are not involved in. If you were offended, too bad, grow a pair and do not think you have any "right" to some apology.

One is only due an apology if they are first person involved. This tangential group offense victimhood epidemic needs to stop.