A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
So, if John Lasseter is guilty of sexual assault, it's okay since he saved WDW a Animation and made the company billions? Your words.
Absolutely not, it’s just harder for victims to speak up and remove him because he’s “essential”.
From Twitter:
@VFXSoldier @JTennor @cartoonbrew The moral to this story is to never give any one person so much power. Otherwise they become too big to fail.
https://twitter.com/mattmerk/status/933130884357615616
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Absolutely not, it’s just harder for victims to speak up and remove him because he’s “essential”.
From Twitter:

Nope it means the victims are fired on things like 'insubordination' and efforts are made to make them unemployable ever again.

Sexual harassment is at its core about a power differentual in that the victim must submit or suffer consequences.
 

RandySavage

Well-Known Member
Can be worse Ike Perlmutter would bring this up a few orders of magnitude on the nightmare scale
Unfortunately, it was said on the CEO thread that Chapek is Perlmutter's proxy, which is why he's getting the look. Perlmutter wouldn't be considered for the job himself due to age (74), and would prefer being puppetmaster versus in the public spotlight - as his insane behavior has shown (the whole tennis club fiasco).

Replacing Great Movie Ride (a POTC/HM/Horizons-level classic) with the Mickey Cartoon ride - for me, the catastrophic equivalent of replacing old Penn Station with New Penn Station - is all I need to know to see a continuing dimming future under Chapek. Was hoping for a turnaround under a new leader who gets(remembers) it.
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, it was said on the CEO thread that Chapek is Perlmutter's proxy, which is why he's getting the look. Perlmutter wouldn't be considered for the job himself due to age (74), and would prefer being puppetmaster versus in the public spotlight - as his insane behavior has shown (the whole tennis club fiasco).

Replacing Great Movie Ride (a POTC/HM/Horizons-level classic) with the Mickey Cartoon ride - for me, the catastrophic equivalent of replacing old Penn Station with New Penn Station - is all I need to know to see a continuing dimming future under Chapek. Was hoping for a turnaround under a new leader who gets(remembers) it.
I go both ways on GMR. Is Chapek to blame for killing it, or his predecessors for not updating it in 28 years to keep it more relevant?

I so hate to say it, because I love the ride, but topics like Tarzan, gangsters, cowboys, musicals were barely relevant in '89. Trying to force them on today's kids is never going to work.

Think of the possibilities if gangster/cowboy became GotG/SW with a Ravager or First Order agent performing the hijack? Swap the musicals for Tangled/Frozen/PatF...the lost opportunities there are depressing.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I go both ways on GMR. Is Chapek to blame for killing it, or his predecessors for not updating it in 28 years to keep it more relevant?

I so hate to say it, because I love the ride, but topics like Tarzan, gangsters, cowboys, musicals were barely relevant in '89. Trying to force them on today's kids is never going to work.

Think of the possibilities if gangster/cowboy became GotG/SW with a Ravager or First Order agent performing the hijack? Swap the musicals for Tangled/Frozen/PatF...the lost opportunities there are depressing.

GMR was about the history of film and it's evolution, It was not about the latest HOT IP, It put some distance between HOT IP's, Yet It did miss things like Star Wars which made SciFi mainstream, It needed an update and expansion, Not a new mickey to extend the copyright another 70 years.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Replacing Great Movie Ride (a POTC/HM/Horizons-level classic) with the Mickey Cartoon ride - for me, the catastrophic equivalent of replacing old Penn Station with New Penn Station - is all I need to know to see a continuing dimming future under Chapek.
This analogy is hyperbolic.

Most things said about Runaway Railway have been positive. While it might not reach the levels of GMR, and while I'd rather have an updated GMR, it's certainly not a weak replacement by any means. LPS, new tech, theme song, a proper attraction for Mickey, hardly similar to this.
new-york-penn-station.jpg
 

RandySavage

Well-Known Member
This analogy is hyperbolic.

Most things said about Runaway Railway have been positive. While it might not reach the levels of GMR, and while I'd rather have an updated GMR, it's certainly not a weak replacement by any means. LPS, new tech, theme song, a proper attraction for Mickey, hardly similar to this.
new-york-penn-station.jpg
To complete the slightly hyperbolic analogy, the Penn Station main waiting room that preceded the above:
Original_Penn_station_Central_Credit_AF_Sozio.jpg

"Once, one entered New York like a god, now one scurries in like a rat."

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Using the rat as a transition: everything I've seen about the new ride has been underwhelming (to my eye) - If it replaced Animation, fine, but when I think about what has been sacrificed: the park's thesis statement, as someone put it, and one of the few surviving examples of my favorite attraction type which moves steadily towards extinction: narrated, long and atmospheric, with detailed sets, lighting, sound and production design, lots of outstanding animatronics and FX, all tangible and all serving to educate and enrich, as well as entertain, the participant.

Thankful I had my time in the prime years of that Attraction type.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
To complete the slightly hyperbolic analogy, the Penn Station main waiting room that preceded the above:
Original_Penn_station_Central_Credit_AF_Sozio.jpg

"Once, one entered New York like a god, now one scurries in like a rat."

***
Using the rat as a transition: everything I've seen about the new ride has been underwhelming (to my eye) - If it replaced Animation, fine, but when I think about what has been sacrificed: the park's thesis statement, as someone put it, and one of the few surviving examples of my favorite attraction type which moves steadily towards extinction: narrated, long and atmospheric, with detailed sets, lighting, sound and production design, lots of outstanding animatronics and FX, all tangible and all serving to educate and enrich, as well as entertain, the participant.

Thankful I had my time in the prime years of that Attraction type.
I'm well aware of the dichotomy of Penn Station as I use it on a weekly basis.

Losing GMR is a tough pill to swallow...but would I rather see one of my favorite attractions rot away without any major updates for years, or reinvigorated with something that at least might come close to the original? Updating GMR extensively clearly wasn't happening so it's either one of those two options.

MGM's thesis statement was lost long ago - as well as the significance of GMR as its signature attraction. It was a 'great' ride, and will be sorely missed, but I doubt it's going to be as much of a drop off as you are implying.
 

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