A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Kman101]

The more I read about him the more I feel genuine hatred for Weinstein. I tend to be a very forgiving person who wants to give everyone a second chance. But all I want for that piece of crap is for him to be tortured day and night for the rest of his miserable life. And it’s not just the fact that he assaulted so many women personally, it’s that he is so disproportionately responsible for maintaining an environment where this was considered the norm and just something women had to deal with to be successful in Hollywood. How many men followed in his foot steps (both inside and outside of Hollywood). How many women were affected because of his actions, beyond those he personally assaulted/raped? I don’t care how much negotiating Rose McGowan did before outing him. If getting as much of his money as she could helped her deal with his crimes against her than why not? I say they liquidate all of his assets and distribute it between all of his victims. It won’t make Up for what was done to them (no amount of money ever could) but it will at least allow them some kind of consolation and hopefully some kind of comfort going forward.

Well said. I agree with you.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Just when I thought Weinstein-gate had gotten as crazy as it could, then this bombshell drops. Out of the well-known people involved, I gave Rose McGowan the biggest pass in terms of waiting 20 years to say anything while this continued, because she was very young at the time and never had the power that say Paltrow, Jolie, etc. had. I was totally wrong.

Love how the NYT SJW's this up by totally misleading with the headline, and tries to minimize the severity of what actually happened by how they couch it in the article. But the facts are the facts.

The highlights: McGowan has been writing a book. This summer, he lawyers discovered that back when she got her initial settlement 20 years ago, she didn't actually sign a confidentiality agreement. So, "somehow" she made it known that it was going to be in her book. Weinstein offered her a million bucks to sign a new confidentiality agreement.

She countered and asked for six million. Hoping he would settle on three.

Then the story broke, and the day *after*, she instructed her lawyer to rescind the counter.

That's Hollywood, folks. It's all a show and everything is for sale. The fact that the NYT leads with the headline of "Refusing Weinstein's Hush Money..." is absolutely laughable. She didn't refuse crap. She was in the middle of negotiations and her leverage vanished. The information and her involvement had already become public knowledge. Her silence wasn't worth a cent by the time she pulled the offer.

From the NYT piece.

In 1997, Ms. McGowan had reached a $100,000 settlement with Mr. Weinstein, but that agreement, she learned this summer, had never included a confidentiality clause. Ms. McGowan, who was most widely known for her role as a witch on the WB show “Charmed,” had recently developed a massive following as a fiery feminist on Twitter, but she was now, at 44, a multimedia artist, no longer acting, her funds depleted by health care costs for her father, who died eight years ago.

“I had all these people I’m paying telling me to take it so that I could fund my art,” Ms. McGowan said in an interview. She responded by asking for $6 million, part counteroffer, part slow torture of her former tormentor, she said. “I figured I could probably have gotten him up to three,” she said. “But I was like — ew, gross, you’re disgusting, I don’t want your money, that would make me feel disgusting.”

 

[ford91exploder]

Whether someone waits 20 minutes or 20 years, the man is still a sexual predator. I don't care if they have book deals or want some money. So it doesn't count anymore if they wait too long? That's how some of the posts are coming across. It's pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and say they should have come forward when it happened but this is, sadly, very common in Hollywood. People get scared. Why is that hard to understand? They've become conditioned to sexual harassment, both men and women in the industry. It was "the norm" but now there's power in speaking out. Once one person finally speaks out, the rest begin to come forward. I don't know why @AEfx seems intent on putting blame on Paltrow, McGowan ... at least that's how it's coming across.

Weinstein is still a disgusting predator.

As are most of his ilk in Hollyweird, over time the 'normals' have been driven out leaving behind only these disgusting creatures.

Ever wondered why so many films recently include stuff that you would have needed to go to a seedy theater in the red light district or the 'adult' section of the video store for.

The films today reflect the imaginations of their creators think on that for a while

 

[ford91exploder]

They create them all the time, they just don't bother to build any of them.

They do however build the cheap souvenir shops though. Now with 'design by Ikea'

 

[AEfx]

Weinstein is still a disgusting predator.

And no one said he wasn't.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Got these 5 minutes ago. At DAK now. The crane is right by the slides that were closed

 

[VJ]

I know dear Spirit has abandoned us, but I'm pretty sure this thread has the distinct honor of having jumped the shark.

 

[AEfx]

From the NYT piece.

Yup - that's the part of the article that really made me miss the journalistic integrity that NYT had once upon a time. "Part-counter-offer" - bullcrap, that's exactly what it was - a counter-offer. Trying to minimize that fact now is just completely disingenuous.

To those questioning why this matters, it matters because it's the truth - and the truth is that all this "women power"/"no compromise" nonsense that McGowan is now trying to pass off (and has been trying to pass off for several years now, since her career effectively ended) is bullcrap, she offered it up for sale. Not 20 years ago. A matter of weeks ago.

This really is completely independent of Weinstein - he's a disgusting creep who deserves everything he is getting, and more. There is no one responsible for his heinous actions other than him. But we also shouldn't be looking to people who offer their integrity up for sale as "heroic" examples, either.

 

[AEfx]

I don’t care how much negotiating Rose McGowan did before outing him. If getting as much of his money as she could helped her deal with his crimes against her than why not?

That's the point. McGowan didn't "out him". Someone else did, while McGowan was in the process of negotiating another payout to keep silent - a woman with integrity and far less fame and resources who did what was right, not for her pockets, but for justice to be served and to prevent this from continuing. Yet suddenly, McGowan is the hero of the situation.

 

[bclane]

That's the point. McGowan didn't "out him". Someone else did, while McGowan was in the process of negotiating another payout to keep silent - a woman with integrity and far less fame and resources who did what was right, not for her pockets, but for justice to be served and to prevent this from continuing. Yet suddenly, McGowan is the hero of the situation.

I understand your point. I just don’t expect a victim of a sex crime to act/behave or respond to anything the same way I would expect anyone else to respond/act/behave...especially when dealing with the person that assaulted/raped them. They will always always always get a free pass from me for pretty much everything short of committing a sex or other serious crime of their own. I have had to deal with this on a very personal level and know how much it permanently changes a person...even after they have put the pieces of their life back together. So I admit I am completely biased and always will be on this subject.

 

[AEfx]

I understand your point. I just don’t expect a victim of a sex crime to act/behave or respond to anything the same way I would expect anyone else to respond/act/behave...especially when dealing with the person that assaulted/raped them. They will always always always get a free pass from me for pretty much everything short of committing a sex or other serious crime of their own. I have had to deal with this on a very personal level and know how much it permanently changes a person...even after they have put the pieces of their life back together. So I admit I am completely biased and always will be on this subject.

I understand you are going to interpret the facts in the way that you are going to, but I was just correcting the record - she had no role in this coming out, and was in negotiations to accept another financial settlement in order to maintain her silence. You can give her a "pass" on that, whatever one wants to call it - but this current narrative that she is some feminist champion that she is promoting, and the media is pushing, is completely a Hollywood fiction.

 

[bclane]

I understand you are going to interpret the facts in the way that you are going to, but I was just correcting the record - she had no role in this coming out, and was in negotiations to accept another financial settlement in order to maintain her silence. You can give her a "pass" on that, whatever one wants to call it - but this current narrative that she is some feminist champion that she is promoting, and the media is pushing, is completely a Hollywood fiction.

She wasn’t the first, but it seems to me that she is certainly a power behind more women coming forward and in my book that’s a good thing.

 

[ford91exploder]

Ummm I respectfully disagree Star Wars is huge and is ripe to endlessly expand off of. And insanely popular

Across multiple generations even! So whyin the hell did Disney cheap out on this. Star Wars was the 'potter swatter' but as per the finance driven nature they did the bare minimum, Heck SWW should have been an indicator especially the last one where traffic was jammed for hours!!!!

 

[peter11435]

Across multiple generations even! So whyin the hell did Disney cheap out on this. Star Wars was the 'potter swatter' but as per the finance driven nature they did the bare minimum, Heck SWW should have been an indicator especially the last one where traffic was jammed for hours!!!!

Yeah... two billion dollar lands and an inclusive research are certainly cheaping out and doing the bare minimum.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Yeah... two billion dollar lands and an inclusive research are certainly cheaping out and doing the bare minimum.

Its really bizarre, but ford’s right. SW:GE is all about get rich quick upcharges like specialty merch/food and prepaid guaranteed access. Star Wars is evergreen, but lots of money can be made by strip mining it now and worrying about the consequences later.

 

[peter11435]

Its really bizarre, but ford’s right. SW:GE is all about get rich quick upcharges like specialty merch/food and prepaid guaranteed access. Star Wars is evergreen, but lots of money can be made by strip mining it now and worrying about the consequences later.

I think it's a little early to imply the land will be all about upcharges. Certainly there will be specialty merch and food but the same can be said for pandora, carsland, potter etc. Obviously the entire project is designed to drive revenue growth, that's kinda the point.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

What they should have done in Anaheim is a third park with SW, Marvel, and some Pixar that way they have an extra park and they don't have to ruin thematic integrity.

 

[Nj4mwc]

Yeah... two billion dollar lands and an inclusive research are certainly cheaping out and doing the bare minimum.

When it comes to Star Wars that is cheating out though

 

[Nj4mwc]

What they should have done in Anaheim is a third park with SW, Marvel, and some Pixar that way they have an extra park and they don't have to ruin thematic integrity.

I think Star Wars could definitely fill out its own park but I can agree with this, especially combining it with marvel

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Disney should have built a Sci-Fi adventure park with Star Wars, Marvel, The Incredibles, Buzz Lightyear and TRON as the main areas of focus. Maybe a variation of Mysterious Island / Discoveryland to go with it.

Then they could have redone Tomorrowland in the mold of '67 with a new Adventure Thru Inner Space, Circle-Vision, Peoplemover, Carousel Theatre & 3-D movie show etc.