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the.dreamfinder

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That's a biggie among his supporters - many mention that they don't excuse the tweets and they think they were disgusting, while also making note of how changed he is now.

I'll be honest...I really didn't know jack about him as a person before this, but the more I read about him (especially the interviews) the more I like him.
Here’s a good interview that should give folks an idea of who he is. (NSFW)
http://podbay.fm/show/450637314/e/1344841200?autostart=1
 
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Rodan75

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That's just it - and what that article above seems to ignore - almost no one actually thinks he is a pedophile, or at least that this is what it means. They didn't fire him because a few dozen crazies said he was, they fired him over the content of the tweets and blog posts, and/or who some were associated with (which the article completely ignored, as well - it makes no sense why they didn't try to debunk that if it isn't true, and makes all the sense in the world why they would leave it out like nearly everyone else has, because it is the part that breaks the narrative).

Some are trying to play it all off as a conspiracy theory like he didn't do anything wrong at all, I think some sides are being disingenuous.
TBH I didn’t read the wired article, if that is what you are referencing.

However, the more generic twitter or commentary response I read, the more I see that some people who aren’t paying attention think he was fired for being a pedophile and attacking the #SaveGunn folks for defending pedos. (I genuinely don’t believe they are simply Trolling, not all of them anyway.).

If Disney brings him back they have to address the whole narrative, not just the bits and pieces folks are using to justify their positions. (Which I think we are agreeing on).

And because they have to address the whole narrative, it makes it trickier to handle. Which again, makes it unlikely they even try. Depends on how much Feige or any other exec at Disney is willing to go to bat for him. Which requires more courage than we’ve seen from any mid-level exec.

I still think there is a thin chance they try to thread this needle, but it could be possible. I’m still at 20 yes / 80 no.
 

Pixieish

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TBH I didn’t read the wired article, if that is what you are referencing.

However, the more generic twitter or commentary response I read, the more I see that some people who aren’t paying attention think he was fired for being a pedophile and attacking the #SaveGunn folks for defending pedos. (I genuinely don’t believe they are simply Trolling, not all of them anyway.).

If Disney brings him back they have to address the whole narrative, not just the bits and pieces folks are using to justify their positions. (Which I think we are agreeing on).

And because they have to address the whole narrative, it makes it trickier to handle. Which again, makes it unlikely they even try. Depends on how much Feige or any other exec at Disney is willing to go to bat for him. Which requires more courage than we’ve seen from any mid-level exec.

I still think there is a thin chance they try to thread this needle, but it could be possible. I’m still at 20 yes / 80 no.
There's definitely a segment of people that can't get past the tweet content at all. It's like they've walked face-first into a brick wall so it blocks out everything else.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Chris Miller and Phil Lord would be awesome at directing a GotG film.
Except after they were fired from Solo, I'm not sure if Disney would consider hiring them again for quite some time.
That gets to the crux of our problem. This is bigger than Gunn, it’s about the kinds of people who can actually create populist art in the 21st century.

James Mangold said it best
 

Rodan75

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That gets to the crux of our problem. This is bigger than Gunn, it’s about the kinds of people who can actually create populist art in the 21st century.

James Mangold said it best
And this is one of the reasons why I think Disney will at least think about Gunn more closely than they would have before. They may really end up having trouble finding talent for the Director's chair on these movies.
 

Princess Leia

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And this is one of the reasons why I think Disney will at least think about Gunn more closely than they would have before. They may really end up having trouble finding talent for the Director's chair on these movies.
If you look at Phase 1, outside of Branagh and Whedon, there weren’t any big name/creative directors. Phase 2 opened the field a bit and would have had Edgar Wright, alongside Shane Black, Whedon and Gunn. Phase 3 really seems to have been the best for director influence.
 

AEfx

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That gets to the crux of our problem. This is bigger than Gunn, it’s about the kinds of people who can actually create populist art in the 21st century.

James Mangold said it best
And this is one of the reasons why I think Disney will at least think about Gunn more closely than they would have before. They may really end up having trouble finding talent for the Director's chair on these movies.
Oh, we shouldn't kid ourselves. There is no shortage of talent. What about all these women/gay/black/Hispanic/etc. etc. directors that we keep hearing can't get work? Surely some of them are talented enough to helm a Marvel or Star Wars film. Let's not pretend Gunn was some irreplaceable entity.

Mangold seems to be inferring about Rian Johnson as well - well, Rian Johnson in my eyes has proven himself to be a hack, so I guess that is in the eye of the beholder.

If I were a person who frequented The Mary Sue, I would see these statements as problematic as it presumes that only middle-aged "CIS" straight white guys can handle big budget superhero and sci-fi features.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Oh, we shouldn't kid ourselves. There is no shortage of talent. What about all these women/gay/black/Hispanic/etc. etc. directors that we keep hearing can't get work? Surely some of them are talented enough to helm a Marvel or Star Wars film. Let's not pretend Gunn was some irreplaceable entity.

Mangold seems to be inferring about Rian Johnson as well - well, Rian Johnson in my eyes has proven himself to be a hack, so I guess that is in the eye of the beholder.

If I were a person who frequented The Mary Sue, I would see these statements as problematic as it presumes that only middle-aged "CIS" straight white guys can handle big budget superhero and sci-fi features.
He is referring to Rian, but also how poisonous making these films is now.

Do you seriously believe minorities or LGBTQ filmmakers will be able to get these jobs with the use of weaponized harassment?
 

the.dreamfinder

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Rodan75

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Oh, we shouldn't kid ourselves. There is no shortage of talent. What about all these women/gay/black/Hispanic/etc. etc. directors that we keep hearing can't get work? Surely some of them are talented enough to helm a Marvel or Star Wars film. Let's not pretend Gunn was some irreplaceable entity.

Mangold seems to be inferring about Rian Johnson as well - well, Rian Johnson in my eyes has proven himself to be a hack, so I guess that is in the eye of the beholder.

If I were a person who frequented The Mary Sue, I would see these statements as problematic as it presumes that only middle-aged "CIS" straight white guys can handle big budget superhero and sci-fi features.
He is referring to Rian, but also how poisonous making these films is now.

Do you seriously believe minorities or LGBTQ filmmakers will be able to get these jobs with the use of weaponized harassment?
I totally don't think that Gunn is irreplaceable, and per my posts yesterday, I think the business side may have a stronger case against Gunn than the 'Disney morals side'. (Not getting GoTGv2 to $1B)

But if you take both the Gunn situation, along all of the other situations that have occurred with Directors recently...damned if you do well...fired if you make a mistake. Talented, experienced Directors who have choices, won't choose Disney and these movies are too big for rookie Directors to handle or face scrutiny on.

It is a real problem that is creeping up for Disney.

It isn't the end of the world, but it is a talent management concern that Disney has to face.
 
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