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the.dreamfinder

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So...we've got conflicting sources on Variety - in one saying that there is a growing feeling that Gunn will be re-hired, and in the other saying that they don't think it will happen.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-cast-james-gunn-support-1202889736/

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-gunn-disney-wont-rehire-guardians-of-the-galaxy-1202892424/
We’re seeing people inside Disney fighting in the press. So this firing must be very contentious internally.
 

Pixieish

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Forgot to mention Disney is continuing to argue in various courts it had no role in enabling Harvey Weinstein’s sexual abuse of women while at Miramax, under Disney.

Or would we like to keep talking about pedophile jokes?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/disney-seeks-class-action-harvey-weinstein-misconduct-1130622
Because they live in a media black-out? Because none of them ever saw him act like a sleazebag at events? (Please note - those questions are pure sarcasm.) Why do they think people will believe they didn't know anything? They hired "handlers" to keep Lasseter in line.
 

TalkingHead

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AEfx

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So...we've got conflicting sources on Variety - in one saying that there is a growing feeling that Gunn will be re-hired, and in the other saying that they don't think it will happen.
I just don't see how that happens. I know in our little echo chambers we think "well, everyone is for him coming back, he shouldn't have been fired" but there are an awful lot of people who would disagree. People who have never seen a GoG film and don't give a crap about them but who do very much care about "jokes" saying how women should enjoy being raped and "joking" with actual pedophiles about watching kiddie **** together.

People are so focused on who lit the match, though, to really see this.

If Disney hires him back, they are going to get a lot of questions about their sudden reversal and now "approving" of those types of things. I just don't see how they undermine themselves in that way.
 

Princess Leia

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I think we’re beginning to see a huge movement in calling people out who may have seen questionable behaviors in action. Taking Gunn out of the equation (because that’s a different matter), but it is an important discussion to have (though this thread is probably the wrong spot for it). While it’s definitely getting a moment in the film/tv world (Weinstein, Lasseter), it’s gaining traction in the sports world as well (started with Sandusky & Paterno, then everyone linked to Nassar last year, now it’s having a pretty big moment at OSU with Jim Jordan and Urban Meyer). Oh, for the record about the Urban Meyer thing- ESPN was one of the last new sites to cover what came out today.
 

Pixieish

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I just don't see how that happens. I know in our little echo chambers we think "well, everyone is for him coming back, he shouldn't have been fired" but there are an awful lot of people who would disagree. People who have never seen a GoG film and don't give a crap about them but who do very much care about "jokes" saying how women should enjoy being raped and "joking" with actual pedophiles about watching kiddie **** together.

People are so focused on who lit the match, though, to really see this.

If Disney hires him back, they are going to get a lot of questions about their sudden reversal and now "approving" of those types of things. I just don't see how they undermine themselves in that way.
Unfortunately, who lit the match is kind of important in this case - it's cyber-bullying and a targeted attack at its worst, purposely done in the aim to quiet an opposing political viewpoint.

I think Disney will definitely get questions should they choose to reverse their decision, but with all the discussion going on in social media, the big issues aren't being missed - LOTS of people are covering the same points we've all discussed - and that's a good thing. There are lots of ways Disney could gracefully handle bringing him back into the fold. Would it **** off some extremists? Probably. But I'm sure Disney is aware that extremists on either side of the fence aren't a target demographic for any of their studios.

Personally, I'd love to see them rehire him and launch an anti-bullying/anti-cyber attack campaign. I'm not holding my breath, but it would rock.
 

AEfx

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Unfortunately, who lit the match is kind of important in this case - it's cyber-bullying and a targeted attack at its worst, purposely done in the aim to quiet an opposing political viewpoint.
That's just where I disagree. I don't believe in treating a situation one way versus another because of the politics behind them. It is really cut and dry for me. It worries me that this seems like such a strange idea. If he were a conservative taken down by the far-left, we wouldn't even be having the discussion of them "taking it back".

I also think reversing this decision would bring out more than just "crazy right wingers" who objected - it happened so "quickly" from our view that they didn't get time to weigh in. Had Disney let this go on longer than they did, the outrage very likely would have spread to the other side, as well.
 

Pixieish

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That's just where I disagree. I don't believe in treating a situation one way versus another because of the politics behind them. It is really cut and dry for me. It worries me that this seems like such a strange idea. If he were a conservative taken down by the far-left, we wouldn't even be having the discussion of them "taking it back".

I also think reversing this decision would bring out more than just "crazy right wingers" who objected - it happened so "quickly" from our view that they didn't get time to weigh in. Had Disney let this go on longer than they did, the outrage very likely would have spread to the other side, as well.
See, I don't care which side someone falls on. If this whole thing were perpetrated by someone on the alt-left, I would be just as angry that Disney caved.

EDIT: Caved is the wrong word here...I should have said "allowed themselves to be manipulated".
 

AEfx

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Why I’m still pessimistic about the odds of Gunn being rehired- The average moviegoer has zero idea who James Gunn is, and probably don’t care that he is the screenwriter as well. If I wasn’t such a huge nerd, I wouldn’t either.
There is that, too. With all due respect to the work he did on the GoG films (and I am aware of how much he is responsible for), in terms of the bigger picture, I think they risk more reversing the decision than just letting this slide away.

I may be totally wrong. They could decide in an hour to announce they are hiring him back. I've learned that with this stuff, you can never say never about anything. But I just don't see how they walk this back - if they had started with an "investigation" or something, or a leave of absence, maybe, like they tried with Lassetter - but he was fired, full stop.

Most of all, because it would undermine all the past and future decisions they make in regards to situations like this.
 

AEfx

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See, I don't care which side someone falls on. If this whole thing were perpetrated by someone on the alt-left, I would be just as angry that Disney caved.

EDIT: Caved is the wrong word here...I should have said "allowed themselves to be manipulated".
I get that and you do - but I don't believe a lot of people agree. I think there are a lot of people who are angry about who they "caved" to, above all else, and would have reacted much differently had some other group been the ones to spark the flame. Even if they felt the same way about the actions, and expressed feelings of regret, I do not believe they would be actually asking/expecting Disney to reverse themselves.
 

Princess Leia

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There is that, too. With all due respect to the work he did on the GoG films (and I am aware of how much he is responsible for), in terms of the bigger picture, I think they risk more reversing the decision than just letting this slide away.

I may be totally wrong. They could decide in an hour to announce they are hiring him back. I've learned that with this stuff, you can never say never about anything. But I just don't see how they walk this back - if they had started with an "investigation" or something, or a leave of absence, maybe, like they tried with Lassetter - but he was fired, full stop.

Most of all, because it would undermine all the past and future decisions they make in regards to situations like this.
Didn’t the Weinstein stuff take a few days at least to start resulting in cancelled/postponed projects? That’s the most infamous of the current cases, but it still took time. Disney jumped the gun (pun intended) by firing Gunn. Do I think they planned to probably fire Lasseter as soon as it came out? Kind of- I feel like they wanted to wait and see how public opinion was with the matter. Roseanne? I think that was in the cards as soon as they announced a revival.

To bring it to Urban Meyer (I’m a Buckeye and used to be his neighbor, this situation is very much on my radar right now), OSU did the right thing by putting him on leave. Regardless of whether or not he knew about the 2015 incident (it’s looking like he did), OSU is taking time to investigate the situation, as they should.
 

AEfx

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Didn’t the Weinstein stuff take a few days at least to start resulting in cancelled/postponed projects? That’s the most infamous of the current cases, but it still took time. Disney jumped the gun (pun intended) by firing Gunn. Do I think they planned to probably fire Lasseter as soon as it came out? Kind of- I feel like they wanted to wait and see how public opinion was with the matter. Roseanne? I think that was in the cards as soon as they announced a revival.
That's just it - I don't think they jumped it quite as quickly as we think they did. I just don't believe that Disney was somehow totally blindsided by this. I do think they were blindsided by the minor backlash, though. Which hopefully will impact their decision making in the future.
 
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