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A Spirited 15 Rounds ...
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No Name
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For such an active participant and helpful organizer of the forum, I find myself shocked that you still hold such fundamental misunderstandings of theme. Do you not see that in many films starring animals, particularly Zootopia, the animals simply serve as an analogy for human social conflict? Do you not see that It's Tough to be a Bug largely contributes to the theme of the park and is indeed an often praised example of animated characters in DAK? Comments like these poke more holes in your own misunderstandings than at anyone else.
Animaniac93-98
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peter11435
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The two examples you cited of theme being broken are not in fact breaking the theme.Actually, it points to you professing the orthodoxy of thematic purity without reconciling the acceptance of how it's already been broken and the brokenness accepted.
I just want consistency.
And thanks for initiating my heresy trial!!
brb1006
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Looks like second tweet that was in french complete with a screenshot got deleted.
lazyboy97o
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Because by “Disney” they mean the movie studio. They’re not really interested in themed entertainment beyond the Disney parks. What’s more bizarre is how that has morphed into a disdain towards the art of crafting the medium because theme is a threat towards a favorite film being included in the parks. There is a glee in “disproving” theme and quality, as though work doesn’t improve with practice or that there is a difference between trying and coming up short and just not caring.
the.dreamfinder
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So, then, the commonness of bugs and the talking animals toons of Lion King are OK for DAK thematically?
V_L_Raptor
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As far as the common bugs go, what are they talking about in their presentation at AK?
Doesn't matter. I've run across people who reject any common animals you find in their home neighborhood for DAK.
Phil12
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Well, for them to be realistic, they need to let the animals speak in their own languages and use captions to translate into the various human languages. After all it's rather bizarre to have all animals speaking fluent English since it's obvious that Disney is using voice over actors to dub the dialog. The only real exception to that would be Dug:
solidyne
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Searching for the "N" or even the "BN" every month? Ah., the 80's....Heck, I'm old enough to remember full frontal nudity in PG films. Not that I used to search the HBO Guide as a child to look for such things. Heavens, no.
V_L_Raptor
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I've run across people who reject any and all old-fashioned EPCOT Center pavilions because they didn't include explosions alongside flatulence jokes. Who cares? Besides, I didn't ask them or the sources you're citing here.
IIRC, ITTBaB uses cartoon bugs to do a quick spin of ecology with an emphasis on entomology. Dismissing that for theme because it's relayed through common animals is playing the "One of these things is not like the other..." game and failing catastrophically.
peter11435
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Yes. Nothing about the theme of DAK requires its subject matter to be rare or exotic.
Then those people don’t understand theme either.
Bairstow
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I don't.
That movie was a lousy fit on day one and only became more incongruous with the rest of the park with time. Its message might work with the certain literal interpretations of the park's stated purpose, but giant (magical?) talking insects are totally at odds with the storytelling conventions the rest of the park so rigidly adheres to. The silver lining is that all the "fictional" talking animals in the park are containerized inside shows.
cjkeating
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But doesn't ITTBAB meet the three values of AK?
FigmentJedi
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I think it's more about the dissonance of having a silly bug cartoon inside this gigantic, elaborate tribute to nature as a whole.
It'd be like having a ride based on a low-budget TV show inside the Chinese Theater.
Bairstow
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Maybe? Does it matter?
The mission statement is not what has made Animal Kingdom special; it's been the park's unusually cohesive approach to certain aesthetic modes and themes: a steadfast dedication to contextualing the guests' presence in each area and utilization of each attraction, an exploration of the vanishing of culture in an increasingly shrinking world, and the admiration, if not fetishization, of the the architectural chaos which arises from adversity and/or poverty. The focus on animals is probably what lead the Rohde and his team to their approach, but in the long run has proved somewhat incidental.
This is why Dinoland is ultimately more useful to the park than the bug movie.