I never said we should excuse or accept crap dialog. But to say that any dialog in the film wasn’t appropriate for the saga is laughable given the history of the films. They’ve been all over the place from iconic quotes to cringeworthy dialog to massive errors in continuity from the beginning.
Ugh, just reading that makes me cringe. I truly hate Jar Jar. The only thing that would have redeemed him for me would have been if he had turned out to be an actual undercover agent of Sidious. Anything short of that and he was just a terrible racist caricature (and not the only one) that should have never been allowed in a Star Wars movie. JMO of course.
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How DARE you interrupt this Star Wars argument that's been going on for days with something that might actually fit the original topic of the thread!
This is simply not true. Lucas never had a complete story. First it was a 12 film anthology series with maybe a sequel or two and a single prequel about Obi-wan, Anakin and Darth Vader. Splinter of the Mind’s Eye was the first sequel and not written by Lucas. The Empire Strikes Back originally revealed that Obi-wan killed Anakin before he was merged with Darth Vader. Even when the prequel trilogy was finally started, Lucas had no outline, just an end point and wrote each film individually. The idea that Star Wars is some grand, singular story created by Lucas is a myth. Even the Journal of the Whills comes from early script work on Star Wars, and only Star Wars.
Star Wars did not begin with “The Emperor is dead.” That is a huge difference that is repeatedly ignored by this point.
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You are essentially saying that Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are poorly written then. There was ZERO background on Palpatine (Emperor). Same for Yoda and Vader as well. We did get them later though (years later) which is what I mentioned may happen with Snoke in future episodes.
So many Star Wars fans ripped on Lucas for episodes 1, 2 and 3 and said Lucas lost his way, yet now they trot out how Lucas is upset with Disney and how his stories would have been great. Was Zahn not upset with all the material Lucas did not use either? Sure, it would have been cool if Han and Leia had twins and they become ultra powerful Jedis and if Luke had gone to the dark side and then come back and the grey Jedis and all the cool stuff from the EU, but they didnt go that way. And I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if they had, the same fans who are upset now would criticize them for copying the EU and not being original.
You’re wrong. So much backstory went into Palpatine BEFORE the original trilogy was written. As I said before, you can find much of that backstory in the preface of the Star Wars novelization. It doesn’t have to be told onscreen. Writers write backstories as a tool and guideline to help them write about the characters current motivations. The fact is none of this sort was written about Snoke - on or offscreen. But the detailed history of Palpatine was written before the movies.
Here's the thing: The Emperor was pretty self-explanatory. I mean, the Empire kinda needs to have some Emperor at the top and we also learn that he's Darth Vader's nastier boss/teacher.
That does not change the fact that back in the 80's when Empire and RoTJ were released, nobody was complaining that we did not get a backstory on The Emperor. Was anybody upset that we did not get a backstory on Vader? Not that I recall. The issue now is that we know so much about the characters because there were 6 Star Wars movies before TFA premiered. Fans had to wait decades before Phantom Menace was released and then Palpatine backstory was told. Judging by your Avatar (if the picture is you), I would say you were young when episodes 4,5 and 6 were released. Did you read the Star Wars novelization before Empire and RoTJ hit theaters?
If you were to take away any knowledge you had of Star Wars and had never seen any of the 6 movies before seeing TFA and TLJ, would Snoke not be "self-explanatory" ?
Again, these questions arise only because we have knowledge of Star Wars from the prior movies. When fans first saw A New Hope, Empire or RoTJ, nobody questioned how The Emperor or Vader came to be. It was just accepted as good vs evil. It is no different now, except we KNOW there is a backstory and some fans WANT/NEED to know it RIGHT NOW!!!
No, the complaint is that (or my complaint is) is that they didn’t develop one - for internal use or theatrical use.
So if JJ Abrams or Johnson tweeted today that there was indeed a backstory written for Snoke would you have a different opinion of the movie? What is the difference if they write it prior, or take their time to develop a background as the movies progress? I dont understand how having the knowledge of a story existing (even though you cant read it) would affect your opinion of the movie. And please understand I am not trolling or being rude. I appreciate discussions such as this as we are both obvious fans and its good to get different viewpoints.
