A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Bairstow]

Considering how many times they have redone super weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if they make the "doomsday" machines or certain weapons of ridiculous power.

Well it's kind of incumbent upon the writing at this point.
If the end of a Star Wars trilogy ends with a huge galaxy-spanning threat being neutralized, it's difficult to do this from a screenwriting perspective without a climactic battle that blows up a great number of them. Without setting up some sort of contrived way of connecting all these far-flung baddies, this means you've got to blow up a planet, huge super-weapon, or other central mcguffin to communicate to the audience that threat has been met and defeated.

Superhero movies suffer from the same convention. Whenever you raise the stakes to magical/interplanetary end-of-the-world scenarios, they all seem to boil down to a big bad guy using a device to shoot blue energy at the sky while defended by a swarm of robot/insect-like minions that have to be mowed down, final-level-in-a-video-game-style as our heroes are en route to the showdown.
http://observer.com/2016/08/a-quick-word-from-the-giant-sky-beam-in-every-superhero-movie/

 

[Cesar R M]

I always come into Spirit threads late. It’s always the same sequence:

1. Read Spirit’s post
2. See “Stay on topic” in the original post
3. Read a couple pages of comments that are on topic
4. Skip ahead a few pages, see a group of people having arguments over stuff that was nowhere in the original post.

I guess it’s too late to force (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) them to take it to PMs, but I suppose half the reason they don’t is so they can:

A) Have the last word in the public forum
B) Keep checking to see how many people liked their comments for fulfillment, and possibly tally up the winner at a later date

Didn't Spirit quit anyway?

I havent heard from him in a long time since his announcement. He just replies small snipets there and here.

 

[Cesar R M]

Well it's kind of incumbent upon the writing at this point.
If the end of a Star Wars trilogy ends with a huge galaxy-spanning threat being neutralized, it's difficult to do this from a screenwriting perspective without a climactic battle that blows up a great number of them. Without setting up some sort of contrived way of connecting all these far-flung baddies, this means you've got to blow up a planet, huge super-weapon, or other central mcguffin to communicate to the audience that threat has been met and defeated.

Superhero movies suffer from the same convention. Whenever you raise the stakes to magical/interplanetary end-of-the-world scenarios, they all seem to boil down to a big bad guy using a device to shoot blue energy at the sky while defended by a swarm of robot/insect-like minions that have to be mowed down, final-level-in-a-video-game-style as our heroes are en route to the showdown.
http://observer.com/2016/08/a-quick-word-from-the-giant-sky-beam-in-every-superhero-movie/

That trope as killed so many movies that looked sort of decent. From Galactus to FEAR/CHROMA in Green Lantern.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I hope they have some sort of interesting backstory for a guy that’s just a shady smuggler.
It seems to me like his life didn’t get interesting until he got caught up with the rebels. And obviously we know that story. Maybe the climax is that famous Kessel Run record?

On a side note, I LOVED Rogue One. Like you said, basing it on an event worked to perfection IMO.

Agree about solo...he was a two bit con artist prior to ANH...I think the Lego directors took like a slapstick sorta approach with it and disney lost their gords because of the marketing aspect of a non action hero take on Lucas films ultimate action hero actor...

Which is again bad management cause how DIDNT they know? It's either a comedy, or it's not...does no one read the scripts anymore?...

But at least you have the falcon and can do something with that..

What can you do with obiwan...who's entire life from 18 to death has been covered?

Was he born in a manger or something?

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I disagree because there's NO untold backstory of obiwan...how's that gonna play?

But I don't think anyone wanted a solo one either...

I think "big events" was the way to go...why rogue 1 mostly worked.

True. I want the Vader, Palpatine and Tarkin movie. The three of the m together would make a interesting story of evil.

 

[Bairstow]

No matter what you thought Han Solo was up to before Star Wars started, I can guarantee you this: the story shown to you by the upcoming movie is going to be lamer.

Are prequels written after the source material is concluded ever a good idea?
I'm genuinely struggling to think of a positive example where a piece of retroactive backstory is ever satisfying. In most cases they actively diminish the impact of the character's original portrayal.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No matter what you thought Han Solo was up to before Star Wars started, I can guarantee you this: the story shown to you by the upcoming movie is going to be lamer.

Are prequels written after the source material is concluded ever a good idea?
I'm genuinely struggling to think of a positive example where a piece of retroactive backstory is ever satisfying. In most cases they actively diminish the impact of the character's original portrayal.

Deniro in godfather 2...but that was interlaced with a sequel so it isn't the same

 

[NearTheEars]

Agree about solo...he was a two bit con artist prior to ANH...I think the Lego directors took like a slapstick sorta approach with it and disney lost their gords because of the marketing aspect of a non action hero take on Lucas films ultimate action hero actor...

Which is again bad management cause how DIDNT they know? It's either a comedy, or it's not...does no one read the scripts anymore?...

But at least you have the falcon and can do something with that..

What can you do with obiwan...who's entire life from 18 to death has been covered?

Was he born in a manger or something?

There you go. It’s going to be a gambling film about how Han developed as a player and eventually won the Falcon from Lando in the card game.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There you go. It’s going to be a gambling film about how Han developed as a player and eventually won the Falcon from Lando in the card game.

Throw fantasy football in and the kids are gonna love it...we can hear how Abrams and Johnson will do a reboot of it in five years and that will Warm the hearts of all "true fans" from the giftshop room of D23...

 

[ford91exploder]

Kathy Kennedy can't handle this...I've been saying.

People act like she's running Lucasfilm. Incorrect...Lucasfilm was private...she's an upper mid studio manager in a public corporation that has 1.5 billion outstanding shares...which means they can only see ahead as far as 90 days and the executives calendars end at the date their year end bonus is dispersed...totally different than working for george or Stevie and it appears to be crushing her.

They'll scapegoat her at some point anyway...like if nobody goes to see Indy 5 and each stars wars makes 20% less...

Kennedy is already toast with TLJ badly lagging the other SW films, corporate cant be happy with her.

In her defense she made the movie that 'corporate' demanded and just like the the last two 'Pirates' movies the fans were unimpressed with it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Kennedy is already toast with TLJ badly lagging the other SW films, corporate cant be happy with her.

In her defense she made the movie that 'corporate' demanded and just like the the last two 'Pirates' movies the fans were unimpressed with it

I think anyone who knows ANYTHING about disney and it's management would agree with you...not necessarily publically, but in the boardroom definitely.

But you'll get all kinds of sunny side up excuses/misdirection on this.

Last jedi is gonna putter out probably 30% down from force awakens and not too awful much more than rogue one - which they treated like the stepchild (no offense to stepchildren...I just can't think of a better pun)

Good Pirates reference, by the way. Instead of paying the actors and trying to recapture the spirit of black pearl - which is all any fan really wanted - they were worried about "diversifying/increasing" their character library for future promotion...and it dropped like a cannonball...

 

[ford91exploder]

I think anyone who knows ANYTHING about disney and it's management would agree with you...not necessarily publically, but in the boardroom definitely.

But you'll get all kinds of sunny side up excuses/misdirection on this.

Last jedi is gonna putter out probably 30% down from force awakens and not too awful much more than rogue one - which they treated like the stepchild (no offense to stepchildren...I just can't think of a better pun)

Here's the root of the 'Disney' problem Disney management thinks all that's necessary is some focus group tested tropes lumped under a marquee IP and its guaranteed to make money.

In reality its all about the storytelling and audiences respond to great storytelling.

We see the same dynamic at work at the parks

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Here's the root of the 'Disney' problem Disney management thinks all that's necessary is some focus group tested tropes lumped under a marquee IP and its guaranteed to make money.

In reality its all about the storytelling and audiences respond to great storytelling.

We see the same dynamic at work at the parks

The problem is in the short term, they're right...you can make quick cash off IP exploitation...and that's what the Street demands. The live action princess movies are the biggest evidence of that...can't wait to see the live action fox and the hound starring Larry the cable guy and Randy Travis...

The problem is...Star Wars is an enigma. Star Wars isn't big becuse everyone watched return of the Jedi twice in the summer of 83...its big becuse it only dulled for a couple of years in the late 80s and then came roaring back with fervor in the 90's without any new material on screens. The product exploded like it had never been gone. That's what drove Lucas...and why disney snapped him up.

The mistake both have committed is not realizing how much any new movies HAVE to stand the test of time. If that means you have to delay or reshoot them until they are fantastic, so be it...
They can't be plotted on a release calendar until they are great. They just don't get "it" about Star Wars.

...I could go on for days...

 

[jakeman]

...I could go on for days...

You quite literally have.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I hope they have some sort of interesting backstory for a guy that’s just a shady smuggler.
It seems to me like his life didn’t get interesting until he got caught up with the rebels. And obviously we know that story. Maybe the climax is that famous Kessel Run record?

On a side note, I LOVED Rogue One. Like you said, basing it on an event worked to perfection IMO.

The easy one would be how Han Solo became involved with Jabba the Hutt.

Deniro in godfather 2...but that was interlaced with a sequel so it isn't the same

That came from Puzo’s book, so it wasn’t written afterwards.

 

[wdisney9000]

Here's the root of the 'Disney' problem Disney management thinks all that's necessary is some focus group tested tropes lumped under a marquee IP and its guaranteed to make money.

In reality its all about the storytelling and audiences respond to great storytelling.

We see the same dynamic at work at the parks

I read somewhere that the test groups that viewed Dirty Dancing hated the movie and the studios almost sent it straight to VHS. Just goes to show that "testing" can only do so much. And didnt certain Disney execs think that Frozen was not going to be too popular? You would think they would learn. Sadly, they do not

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I read somewhere that the test groups that viewed Dirty Dancing hated the movie and the studios almost sent it straight to VHS. Just goes to show that "testing" can only do so much. And didnt certain Disney execs think that Frozen was not going to be too popular? You would think they would learn. Sadly, they do not

Magic Mike too.

 

[ford91exploder]

I think anyone who knows ANYTHING about disney and it's management would agree with you...not necessarily publically, but in the boardroom definitely.

But you'll get all kinds of sunny side up excuses/misdirection on this.

Last jedi is gonna putter out probably 30% down from force awakens and not too awful much more than rogue one - which they treated like the stepchild (no offense to stepchildren...I just can't think of a better pun)

Good Pirates reference, by the way. Instead of paying the actors and trying to recapture the spirit of black pearl - which is all any fan really wanted - they were worried about "diversifying/increasing" their character library for future promotion...and it dropped like a cannonball...

Exactly so, What the fans wanted was swashbuckling fun like the first two pirates movies had, What Disney corporate wanted as you say was to diversify the 'pirate' IP pool, Epic #FAIL if they had kept it to lighthearted pirate fun doing a movie per year they could have kept PoTC going for 20 years. Audiences want to be entertained they dont want 'Citizen Kane' or 'War and Peace' except occasionally.

 

[wdisney9000]

Exactly so, What the fans wanted was swashbuckling fun like the first two pirates movies had, What Disney corporate wanted as you say was to diversify the 'pirate' IP pool, Epic #FAIL if they had kept it to lighthearted pirate fun doing a movie per year they could have kept PoTC going for 20 years. Audiences want to be entertained they dont want 'Citizen Kane' or 'War and Peace' except occasionally.

I can understand why executives want to "diversify the pool" because they only focus on the dollars, but perhaps they do not realize that it doesnt work that way. Just make the dang movie and allow the audience to become attached to characters in an organic fashion.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm not seeing any show times for Yehaa Bob Jackson. As many know he was accused of inappropriately grabbing at least one woman. I wonder if they quietly terminated him.

Update: Yehaa Bob's personal web page still has times for January, FWIW
http://yehaabob.com/

Unrelated, it looks like Bob got the very best web designer in 1994 to set up his page.