A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I like how you come back with more alternate facts..as usual. That’s so great! :hilarious:

It's called a reasoned opinion...and I try to put some thought into them. Patronizing quips are the most useless thing in internet history other than most memes...
...you'd be doing yourself a favor if you don't bother typing them.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
if nothing else, it's hard to argue that (like many things these days, it seems) TLJ is polarizing...
what damage that may or may not have done to the general fanbase is currently unknown, but i would personally raise an eyebrow as to why that direction was chosen and would expect some good answers from kathy as to why she chose, pre-release, to give rian another trilogy.

as to what pulse the brass has on such a schism, i don't know, but i do recall bob intervened in quick order to personally to remove a hurdle from battlefront 2

grab your popcorn (if you don't have it already ;))
Hey, whaddayaknow? Thoughts...and excellent ones at that.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
as to what pulse the brass has on such a schism, i don't know, but i do recall bob intervened in quick order to personally to remove a hurdle from battlefront 2

The "Bob personally intervened..." thing with BF2 was proven to be #fakenews. Of course, an executive at Disney was in contact with EA, but it wasn't Iger and it was just a stupid game site publishing an unsubstantiated rumor that of course was picked up and spread wide as it supported the narrative people wanted at the time.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Regarding Rey’s parents
From the Slashfilmcast’s David Chen
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https://twitter.com/davechensky/status/948623010264526848
 

smile

Well-Known Member
Another point that doesn't come up much - Bob Iger is personally invested in Star Wars. It's one of the few things in the company he's truly, personally interested in. Remember hearing about Bob's insatiable attention to detail at Shanghai Disneyland? An attention to detail he's never demonstrated for any of the other parks.

SDL and Star Wars are, if the Fox deal falters, his biggest legacies. Bob didn't see TLJ for the first time at the premiere. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed off on Rian's trilogy deal. Star Wars is important to Bob in a way many things at Disney aren't.

which is not a coincidence, i would assume, considering it's his duty to properly steward TWDC...
especially towards absolute positives regarding both the worlds largest population and the worlds largest singular ip.

based on what you've said, he must have bothered to be privy, but that only matters if you value his judgement. in any event, TLJ had a volatile approach and i'm interested to see what effect it has - i would venture to say there were a net loss of those willing to mortgage their kids to buy hotel tickets now... but only time will truly tell how all this plays out, story arcs included.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Hey, I know you!!! You're that guy that thinks upper managers with control of finances leak info to disney chat boards!!!

It's nice to meet you...and your 500,000 "brothers" that have surfed Netscape before you...
This...this doesn't even make sense.

I never said that and acknowledging that we have people on these boards with knowledge of the inner workings of TWDC isn't the same as thinking that upper level managers leak financial information. Why that would be just as crazy as thinking that Disney hired Russian hackers to modify a Rotten Tomatoes review score...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
This...this doesn't even make sense.

I never said that and acknowledging that we have people on these boards with knowledge of the inner workings of TWDC isn't the same as thinking that upper level managers leak financial information. Why that would be just as crazy as thinking that Disney hired Russian hackers to modify a Rotten Tomatoes review score...

The question is what really is an "insider"? It's been struggled with for decades on the internet. My contention is that if you don't make the decisions...you really don't know a thing about it. Because it's about finances. Many have worn nametags with no place in the game...millions.

But I like to see what people bring and if It pans out...so we will disagree on this concept and that's ok.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
No one - and I mean no one, including Disney brass - expected TLJ to match TFA's gross. That's not how the movie business works. TFA was the result of 10 years of pent up demand and unparalleled fanfare. No one, I repeat no one, expects TLJ to match TFA's gross.

And if you think producing a movie that makes a billion dollars in two weeks gets you a target on your back, you are again profoundly mistaken.

There is some truth to that, of course - but it is also a lot more complicated than that.

They spent far more making/marketing TLJ than they did TFA. Industry estimates are that TLJ needed to hit $800M to just break even. It's sort of like Pirates - yes, they still make megabucks in terms of grosses comparatively to other films, but they keep spending more and more on them, as well. So the profits are shrinking from both ends. You just need to look at how heavily they marketed TLJ to see how much more they spent with TFA, which, as your other post pointed out, pretty much promoted itself.

At the same time, they also pulled back some of the merchandising (the other main source of income) because the toys/etc. aren't selling as well as they expected for various reasons - one, kids aren't the main audience for action figures/etc. any more, and two, the adults that are just are not as interested in buying up every last new character they show for five seconds in the film like they were for the OT (where the biggest demand is for "that random Jabba's guard who showed up in the back of the skiff behind Luke in ROTJ that didn't have any lines).

They aren't even rushing out to buy all the main characters - there are still dusty Finn's and Poe's sitting on shelves leftover from TFA next to the new TLJ stuff. Kylo, Rey, and Phasma are still selling well - but folks aren't caring much past them. That's why Hasbro is bringing back The Vintage Collection this year - the new films have not been the merchandising bonanza that they hoped, so by bringing back the numbered figure collection, they are trying to entice those "got to have the whole series" and picking up a toy line they ended before TFA came out (and continuing the number sequence from where it left off before some of the young kids they were aiming for were even born).

In any case, it is really the Solo film that is going to be the real test of leadership. And while it may end up being a smashing success, it's not looking particularly good right now. At least, Disney isn't showing much confidence in it. The film comes out in five months, and it doesn't even have a trailer yet - or even an official poster (the one that made the rounds over the past week or two was a fake). And no matter how you cut it, it's difficult to find such a high profile film in a franchise that could be more objectively called "troubled" - even if you go past the rumors (that the main actor was so terrible they had coaches standing next to him the entire time like he was a child actor and needed constant work).

The fact that they fired the directors so deep into production and had to bring in someone like Howard to do the film is just unheard of at something of this level. (And before someone says "Justice League" - that was not because of creative differences, the director lost a child rather tragically and left - totally different situation.) Sure, directors come and go during pre-production, but this was just huge to happen after so much of the film had already been shot. For Disney/Lucasfilm to decide to part due to "creative differences" at that point shows an utter lack of management skill on Disney's part. The budget ballooned because of all that, so it was unquestionably a major blow - and with the utter lack of a marketing campaign so far, it really looks like Disney just doesn't want to dump any more money into it then they absolutely have to at this point. Either that, or they were waiting to see how TLJ fared and are just waiting to delay it - it will be interesting to see if they just pull the band-aid off as quickly as possible and just get it out there and over with, or if they indeed do delay it until winter.

If anything is going to cause a shakeup at Lucasfilm with Kennedy, it's going to be Solo. The timing and idea itself just appear so tragically miscalculated at this point. Recasting one of the very most unquestionably iconic roles in Star Wars, in fact, one of the most iconic roles in cinema, so soon after killing him off. The choice of running it so closely behind TLJ. The actor they chose, who is nothing like the original in looks, stature, or if rumor holds, skill. The whole thing just seems like a terrible idea pushed by marketing folks who said "Han Solo trends really high!" They really should have done the Obi-wan film first.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I think anyone who knows ANYTHING about disney and it's management would agree with you.

Well, that leaves you and @ford91exploder out. Neither of you have demonstrated any real knowledge of what's happening at Disney and yet you both like to pretend you do and make pronouncements as if you do.

Hey, WDWMagic forum. Here is your lesson. @Sirwalterraleigh == @ford91exploder .

Same category.



Most analysts project TLJ to run out of steam around $1.6-1.7 billion. There isn't a studio executive in the world who would be "disappointed" in those numbers and anyone who calls it a disappointment is missing the 10-figure point.

And missing 10 IQ points as well. :)

Nor should it be disappointing if TLJ only hits $1.3-1.4 billion. That would put it in the the same 63-69% drop off range for the second movie of the two other trilogies. And it would put it in the Avenger category, which is... wildly successful.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Yes, retconing a retcon would be so terribly unforgivably sloppy at this point. They might as well just continue on pretending that TFA didn't happen.
If Kylo lied...that would be seen as a retcon?

I would kind of expect a bad guy to not be above lying.

Or am I missing something that establishes that Kylo was definitely telling the truth?
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
If Kylo lied...that would be seen as a retcon?

I would kind of expect a bad guy to not be above lying.

Or am I missing something that establishes that Kylo was definitely telling the truth?

If he lied, then the whole "she can see inside of him" stuff where apparently her Force powers are even greater than his doesn't make sense. If he was misinformed, then the "look inside yourself, you know it is true" moment she had doesn't make sense.

That was pretty much the most emotionally deep/definitive moment of the movie. If it turns out to be a "just kidding" in the third film - that's just terrible storytelling.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
If Kylo lied...that would be seen as a retcon?

I would kind of expect a bad guy to not be above lying.

Or am I missing something that establishes that Kylo was definitely telling the truth?

Well I mean, he does state that Rey already knows the truth and has just been turning a blind eye to it.. so I guess in the end it depends on if Kylo is making her think that, or if she really does truly know who her parents were.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well, that leaves you and @ford91exploder out. Neither of you have demonstrated any real knowledge of what's happening at Disney and yet you both like to pretend you do and make pronouncements as if you do.

Hey, WDWMagic forum. Here is your lesson. @Sirwalterraleigh == @ford91exploder .

Same category.





And missing 10 IQ points as well. :)
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I'm gonna need a chart off google to make sense of this...presentation is key...

10? Must be a good day

(That was easy...too easy)
 

njDizFan

Well-Known Member
No matter what you thought Han Solo was up to before Star Wars started, I can guarantee you this: the story shown to you by the upcoming movie is going to be lamer.

Are prequels written after the source material is concluded ever a good idea?
I'm genuinely struggling to think of a positive example where a piece of retroactive backstory is ever satisfying. In most cases they actively diminish the impact of the character's original portrayal.
The Godfather II is the best sequel in the history of film. Backstory and all...
 

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