A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

AEfx

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You don’t think prerelease reviews for tentpole films don’t generate $$$ for publications?

For the publications? Sure. Somewhat. Not Disney's responsibility to ensure they monetize things.

But as noted above, in terms of the audience - more people go to aggregate sites and just want to view a percentage. Movie reviews, and especially traditional publications, just don't have the influence they once had. There are way more people reviewing movies than ever (not to mention anyone with a social media account). Then when you take into account the fact that it's far easier to actually watch trailers now on-demand, that people generally are becoming very spoiler-averse and don't want to actually read a full review before seeing the film, I doubt anyone would really notice if they weren't making a stink.

Disney doesn't have any responsibility to invite anyone to a pre-release screening. It's a privilege reviewers have become accustomed to. And the LA Times did a one-sided hatchet job on Disney, no matter how you look at it. It had a few valid points, but the entire thing was just so slanted and trashy I would have done the same thing - it went far beyond just reporting on the facts. The talk I am seeing elsewhere about "free speech" and "freedom of the press" is ignoring that big fact we have all had to come to grips with lately - yup, you have those rights (though many misunderstand them). But that doesn't mean you don't have to face the "push-back" for your statements/actions.

In this case, Disney isn't prohibiting them from writing about anything. They just aren't literally rolling out a red carpet for them and giving them free stuff. Boo-hoo.
 

seascape

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Bosley Crowther the firmer head movie reviewer of the NY Times told me in 1975 that newspapers could no longer make or break a movie. Today he would say newspapers have even less power because their distribution continues to decrease.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Yep. They're pitching a fit because they're not getting VIP treatment anymore. That's what this all boils down to.
It’s not VIP treatment. Oftentimes, prerelease press screenings are held in the morning. It’s a job. You can’t make any money at it if your review isn’t published when the embargo falls.

Disney is threatening people’s livelihoods in exchange for non-critical, favorable coverage.

The press are not lifestylers.

Addendum: Not every film will have press screenings, they aren’t a god given right. However, the issue is exclusion of a single outlet to make an example out of them.
 

Pixieish

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http://theweek.com/speedreads/73584...estigation-now-film-critics-are-fighting-back

And the blowback. Next they'll be comparing Disney to authoritarian countries.

Oh. Dear. Lord. I think they're about to find out that those awards really don't mean as much as they think they do...all that matters is that fans like the movies and pay to see them and/or purchase DVDs and blurays. Star Wars, Marvel, and Pixar all have more than enough fans who do both for every movie that Disney doesn't really have to worry unless the movies themselves are REALLY bad.
 

Sam Magic

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Oh. Dear. Lord. I think they're about to find out that those awards really don't mean as much as they think they do...all that matters is that fans like the movies and pay to see them and/or purchase DVDs and blurays. Star Wars, Marvel, and Pixar all have more than enough fans who do both for every movie that Disney doesn't really have to worry unless the movies themselves are REALLY bad.
Yeah, I agree. Disney doesn't give a damn. The film has already made over $200 million...and a majority of this years big box office hits have been Disney films. Disney is rolling in it.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Oh. Dear. Lord. I think they're about to find out that those awards really don't mean as much as they think they do...all that matters is that fans like the movies and pay to see them and/or purchase DVDs and blurays. Star Wars, Marvel, and Pixar all have more than enough fans who do both for every movie that Disney doesn't really have to worry unless the movies themselves are REALLY bad.
So... what happens if this blows up into a boycott of Disney films at the Oscars this year?
 

Pixieish

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So... what happens if this blows up into a boycott of Disney films at the Oscars this year?

The Oscars are basically Hollywood patting itself on the back and a fashion show combined. I'm sure it would have an affect on which talent would be willing to work with Disney, but there are actors, actresses, and directors, etc. out there who really don't care about the awards shows.
 

the.dreamfinder

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The Oscars are basically Hollywood patting itself on the back and a fashion show combined. I'm sure it would have an affect on which talent would be willing to work with Disney, but there are actors, actresses, and directors, etc. out there who really don't care about the awards shows.
Disney doesn’t like this story and it staying in the news with boycotts isn’t good for their reputation. An Oscars boycott, to be broadcast on Disney owned ABC, wouldn’t be good for them.

You guys understand that Disney has unquestionably drawn more attention to the LA Times pieces than they received upon their publication, right?
 

Disney Analyst

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Looks like Disney is in hot water...

Other journalists and outlets swiftly followed suit. On Tuesday the Los Angeles Film Critics Association, the New York Film Critics Circle, the Boston Society of Film Critics and the National Society of Film Critics jointly announced that they would take the “extraordinary” step of disqualifying Disney films from end-of-year awards consideration until the blackout was lifted.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/07/disney-los-angeles-times-media-boycott

This is not a narrative Disney wants.

http://deadline.com/2017/11/ava-duv...enings-los-angeles-times-blackout-1202203326/

Ava DuVernay, the director of Disney’s upcoming film adaptation of A Wrinkle in Time, said last night she would be “standing with” the Washington Post‘s critic-at-large in boycotting Disney’s screenings.
 

Pixieish

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Disney doesn’t like this story and it staying in the news with boycotts isn’t good for their reputation. An Oscars boycott, to be broadcast on Disney owned ABC, wouldn’t be good for them.

You guys understand that Disney has unquestionably drawn more attention to the LA Times pieces than they received upon their publication, right?

Absolutely. But I think it also illustrates how much Disney just doesn't care at this point. The LA Times piece definitely had a slant to it, and I'm sure this is Disney's way of both trying to ensure that the media reports accurately and fairly about them in the future as well as exposing the Times for allowing biased reporting. Disney's history with Anaheim is such that it has become dangerous to write that sort of article - with a click-baity title and only focusing on a small portion of the whole story. The title, especially, was deliberately inflammatory. Unfortunately, there's a large - and vocal - segment of the population that will only see this as "big bad Disney" and nothing more.

The truth of the matter is that the media has become more and more biased over the years in their reporting of anything - sometimes even in the mundanity of a car accident. Who knows - maybe this could be a good thing in the long run and be the start of spurring the media to knock it the hell of with using click-bait in their efforts to sell advertising.
 

c-one

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That the director of "A Wrinkle in Time" took the critics' side is very telling. Any idea that Disney doesn't need the film media cycle anymore is maybe true of Star Wars and Marvel. But Disney has its hands in a lot of movies that aren't Star Wars or Marvel, too.
 

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