A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[brb1006]

Have not seen, And these days only watch about 6-8 hours of TV in a week and that largely hulu/dvr.

That's a shame considering how much of a good start the reboot has. New episodes usually come out on Saturdays. You are really missing out on this and the other good shows on Disney XD along with Star VS (Pickle And Peanut sucks).

 

[ford91exploder]

Are all men alphas in real life? No. So you have a problem with Disney protraying you don't need to be an alpha to get a girl?

Talk about Toxic Masculinity

Masculinity and courage are defined by the willingness to sacrifice themselves and their well being for others they may not even know. Firefighters and Coast Guards folks who have to go out but DONT necessarily have to come back at the end of a shift,

I also know many women with a bigger set than most so called 'men' have these days.

Toxic Masculinity is defined in the US by the rise of the 'Warrior Cop' the crew that gives all cops a bad name. The kind of so called 'Man' whom Gaston was created to parody.

The Beast was a man, Gaston a monster.

 

[brb1006]

Thanks for sharing! Its really amazing they even mentioned Mickey Mouse because I am sure I read in this very thread a few weeks ago that not a single child in this age group had any idea who Mickey Mouse was anymore! Fascinating 'in the field' research, well done

There was Mickey Mouse Clubhouse then eventually Mickey's Roadside Racers for that age group. I got to know Mickey more thanks to the House Of Mouse and Mickey Mouse Works.

 

[ford91exploder]

That's a shame considering how much of a good start the reboot has. New episodes usually come out on Saturdays. You are really missing out on this and the other good shows on Disney XD along with Star VS (Pickle And Peanuts sucks).

I'll set the DVR to record

 

[Pixieish]

animals with human personalities and emotions...therefore a human story.

My response was specific to the things you said you were looking for. My reply was that Disney seems to be meeting some of your requests already.


Wreck it Ralph


Good Dinosaur and Zootopia to a certain extent. And I assume Coco.


Good Dinosaur. Wreck it Ralph to an extent.

Out of the 11 animated features (Pixar and WDA) released recently, starting with Brave....3 have been princess movies. Coco with be number 12...another non-princess movie. If you're talking about Disney still focusing on young girls for the most part, I guess I see that a bit. And having 3 sequels in the last 11 releases could be seen as a problem. But the narrative that they are using the same princess formula for all of their movies is not accurate. Maybe I am just not understanding you correctly...

For all the princess movies, they follow the same princess formula. With the exception of Brave and Moana - that is their NEW princess formula.

All the non-princess movies have been treated like B-movies...even by Disney itself. The princesses are EVERYWHERE. Advertising, M&Gs, merchandise - hell, Walmart even has an entire aisle (although I think it's more than that at this point) dedicated just to the princesses. Good luck finding any Wreck-it Ralph themed toys (even Big Hero 6 can be tough to find at times) or merchandise. Every time there's been a character that my oldest has been dying to meet (with the exception of Lightning McQueen), they haven't been in the parks anymore.

Two weeks ago, I went to buy my 11-year-old a halloween costume online. He chose to be Star Lord from GotG. (He was Jack Sparrow last year.) EVERYWHERE was sold out of his size..TWO MONTHS before Halloween. Why is this relevant? Because Star Lord (partially) fills the void that Disney has left with young and tween boys. They're young enough that they still want to watch cartoons, but also old enough to be made fun of if they bring certain characters to school. The other Marvel movies (and Star Wars too) are still too a bit too serious for kids of this age group to really connect with. My son does like them, but not the way he does Star Lord or Baymax.

 

[Andrew C]

Now you're moving onto merchandise rather than the films themselves? Okay....

The princesses are EVERYWHERE

Because that is what sells, bottom line. There are I think 11 official Disney princesses, and Anna & Elsa...all with their own dresses, toys, etc. Of course it is going to be everywhere. There is a lot of it, and it sells.

Good luck finding any Wreck-it Ralph themed toys (even Big Hero 6 can be tough to find at times) or merchandise.

They just don't sell like those princess dresses do. The demand isn't there like it is for the princess merchandise.

I am not saying they cannot do better with their merchandise, because they can. And from what I am hearing, they realize that. But I think your discounting the significant popularity of the princess lines, which is why you see that much more than others.

 

[jackmosby]

Inside Out was great (would be nice if they did a follow up about the kid she bumped into at the end), and Zootopia was cute - but both female leads (I have boys).

So your boys can't enjoy movies if they don't have a male lead ? Are you living in a barn in the 1950s ?
Oh, boy... my favorite Disney movie is Beauty and the Beast... Now I have to live while worrying I could be called a 'beta male' and a 'wuss' by some internet trolls that see the world the way my grandma does.

Ralph was a good flick, but lacks the depth of Big Hero 6

I love how you use the weaker animated film Disney have released in the last 8 years as a point. Big Hero ain't bad, but it is surely not a deep film. The characters lack consistency and all can be reduced to a single character trait, the scenario is predictable and don't have a real deep meaning (except maybe "use the robot your brother designed to save thousands of lives to become a superhero and save some lives in your city here and there"). Ralph, on the other hand, has a powerful, strong message that kids need : sometimes in life you fight hard for something, want something, and yet you won't have it.

 

[Pixieish]

Now you're moving onto merchandise rather than the films themselves? Okay....


Because that is what sells, bottom line. There are I think 11 official Disney princesses, and Anna & Elsa...all with their own dresses, toys, etc. Of course it is going to be everywhere. There is a lot of it, and it sells.


They just don't sell like those princess dresses do. The demand isn't there like it is for the princess merchandise.

I am not saying they cannot do better with their merchandise, because they can. And from what I am hearing, they realize that. But I think your discounting the significant popularity of the princess lines, which is why you see that much more than others.

I brought up merchandise and meet & greets because they support the films. Disney treats any animated film that doesn't have a princess like it isn't important. They don't get the same attention in advertising, merchandise or meet & greets. Do you see what I'm getting at? It's like they release a so-so flick every now and then, but that's as far as it goes. There's an entire demographic of boys that they're missing out on. Boys who want the shirts with their favorite characters on them, and the toys, and to see them in Disney parks.

 

[Prince-1]

I brought up merchandise and meet & greets because they support the films. Disney treats any animated film that doesn't have a princess like it isn't important. They don't get the same attention in advertising, merchandise or meet & greets. Do you see what I'm getting at? It's like they release a so-so flick every now and then, but that's as far as it goes. There's an entire demographic of boys that they're missing out on. Boys who want the shirts with their favorite characters on them, and the toys, and to see them in Disney parks.

It's called Cars. And Cars 2: Electric Boogaloo. And Cars 3.

 

[Pixieish]

So your boys can't enjoy movies if they don't have a male lead ? Are you living in a barn in the 1950s ?
Oh, boy... my favorite Disney movie is Beauty and the Beast... Now I have to live while worrying I could be called a 'beta male' and a 'wuss' by some internet trolls that see the world the way my grandma does.


I love how you use the weaker animated film Disney have released in the last 8 years as a point. Big Hero ain't bad, but it is surely not a deep film. The characters lack consistency and all can be reduced to a single character trait, the scenario is predictable and don't have a real deep meaning (except maybe "use the robot your brother designed to save thousands of lives to become a superhero and save some lives in your city here and there"). Ralph, on the other hand, has a powerful, strong message that kids need : sometimes in life you fight hard for something, want something, and yet you won't have it.

My boys enjoy nearly ALL the Disney movies - our library and the frequency with which each film gets watched would prove that. But my 11-year-old in particular doesn't make strong connections to the majority of the girl characters.

Hiro had to deal with some pretty staggering emotional issues. He was already an orphan being raised by his aunt, then lost his brother in an explosion. He overcame the sadness and anger to become a hero...that's pretty deep subject matter for an animated movie directed towards kids - and is perfect for the age group I'm talking about (primarily tween boys). And yes, the moral behind Wreck-it Ralph was a good one, but it was still handled in a way suited more for younger children.

 

[Andrew C]

I brought up merchandise and meet & greets because they support the films. Disney treats any animated film that doesn't have a princess like it isn't important. They don't get the same attention in advertising, merchandise or meet & greets. Do you see what I'm getting at? It's like they release a so-so flick every now and then, but that's as far as it goes. There's an entire demographic of boys that they're missing out on. Boys who want the shirts with their favorite characters on them, and the toys, and to see them in Disney parks.

I don't think they treat them as less important. Just because you see more merchandise for a princess movie doesn't mean they don't care about the non-princess movies. It just means that they know the princess merchandise sells like crazy. I think you're underestimating the staying power and demand for the princess merchandise and overestimating the demand and staying power for toys of the non-princess movies. It is typical for them to release merchandise prior to and during a film release; for any film really. But once the demand drops and that merchandise stops selling, it is unlikely you're going to see it again. Some of the Marvel and Star Wars stuff will stick around but not at the same level as the princess stuff.

Where I would like to see them improve a bit more is the assortment of merchandise they sell. Its is pretty much always the same no matter what movie is released. You will get the dress with a princess movie, but everything else is typically static for the most part. A plush, an action figure or two....it is boring.

Going back to the original topic of the films, they cannot afford to not care about their non-princess movies when only 3 of the last 11 were princess movies. And I think they have done a pretty good job mixing it up recently.

 

[Pixieish]

It's called Cars. And Cars 2: Electric Boogaloo. And Cars 3.

Cars 2 totally sapped all my love for those movies right out of me. That thing was awful - my boys still love it though and I swear, I hear the DVD audio track in my sleep. We haven't seen Cars 3 yet - I'm hoping it's of the same quality level as the first, but not holding my breath.

I literally snorted at your Electric Boogaloo reference...oh the badness levels that thing reached!

 

[Pixieish]

I don't think they treat them as less important. Just because you see more merchandise for a princess movie doesn't mean they don't care about the non-princess movies. It just means that they know the princess merchandise sells like crazy. I think you're underestimating the staying power and demand for the princess merchandise and overestimating the demand and staying power for toys of the non-princess movies. It is typical for them to release merchandise prior to and during a film release; for any film really. But once the demand drops and that merchandise stops selling, it is unlikely you're going to see it again. Some of the Marvel and Star Wars stuff will stick around but not at the same level as the princess stuff.

Where I would like to see them improve a bit more is the assortment of merchandise they sell. Its is pretty much always the same no matter what movie is released. You will get the dress with a princess movie, but everything else is typically static for the most part. A plush, an action figure or two....it is boring.

Going back to the original topic of the films, they cannot afford to not care about their non-princess movies when only 3 of the last 11 were princess movies. And I think they have done a pretty good job mixing it up recently.

They've been getting a little better at mixing up the movie thing...but you are 100% right about the merchandise. It's boring. Hell, even Minecraft (a video game with blocks made to look like terrain and building materials) has a SLEW of toys and out-does Disney in that department.

Marvel and Star Wars are here to stay...there's no doubt about that at all. Even in the 1990s you could step into a Newbury Comics and find all the Marvel characters you wanted. They each have their own HUGE fan-base.

 

[Pixieish]

Because that is what sells, bottom line. There are I think 11 official Disney princesses, and Anna & Elsa...all with their own dresses, toys, etc. Of course it is going to be everywhere. There is a lot of it, and it sells.
They just don't sell like those princess dresses do. The demand isn't there like it is for the princess merchandise.

I'm going to be immensely unpopular for this opinion...but the popularity is mostly because the mini-van moms think their daughters look SO ADORABLE dressed up as the princesses (meanwhile, the poor kid can't wait to get out of the scratchy thing).

I am not saying they cannot do better with their merchandise, because they can. And from what I am hearing, they realize that.

I really hope you're right.

 

[Andrew C]

I'm going to be immensely unpopular for this opinion...but the popularity is mostly because the mini-van moms think their daughters look SO ADORABLE dressed up as the princesses (meanwhile, the poor kid can't wait to get out of the scratchy thing).

My little girl loves to dress up in those princess dresses. She asks to "play dress up" everyday. So she walks around in one or the other and pretends to be a princess. Then 10 minutes later she grabs her Rey staff or lightsaber and beats the carp out of me. That is just my personal experience though. So anecdotal evidence...

 

[Pixieish]

My little girl loves to dress up in those princess dresses. She asks to "play dress up" everyday. So she walks around in one or the other and pretends to be a princess. Then 10 minutes later she grabs her Rey staff or lightsaber and beats the carp out of me. That is just my personal experience though.

HAHAHAHA! Go Rey!!! Seriously though...good on you and mom! My mother was one of the "I know you hate posing for cute pictures but..." and then 2 hours later you could tell how annoyed I was by the look on my 6-year-old face. I was definitely of the Rey variety.

 

[mickeyfan5534]

Got news for you, The law of the jungle rules the world, There are two kinds of animals in the jungle Predators and Prey.

Beta males are prey, Strong women and men are predators.

I didn't think I could like you less. And then this happens. Congrats on being Gaston though. That'll get you far...

 

[Clopin Trouillefou]

Masculinity and courage are defined by the willingness to sacrifice themselves and their well being for others they may not even know. Firefighters and Coast Guards folks who have to go out but DONT necessarily have to come back at the end of a shift,

I also know many women with a bigger set than most so called 'men' have these days.

Toxic Masculinity is defined in the US by the rise of the 'Warrior Cop' the crew that gives all cops a bad name. The kind of so called 'Man' whom Gaston was created to parody.

The Beast was a man, Gaston a monster.

you wanna continue to harp on this, feel free, I'll continue rolling my eyes so hard they'll become ALPHA EYES with ALPHA EYE MUSCLES. But including actual police and firefighters and a cartoon character in the same post talking about alpha-whatever is laughable at best, straight-up insulting at worst.

 

[Andrew C]

steady....

 

[Cesar R M]

Also, selection bias much? What about Big Hero 6 or Up or Zootopia or any of the three Cars movies which feature strong male protagonists?

the second and third cars movie have a strong male protagonist?