Figment632
New Member
Because it is not needed at the attraction. The line would flow much better without it.
IMO attractions that should't have FP
1. Any show
2. Buzz SRS
3. JC
4. Peter Pan
5. Malestrom
6. TSMM
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A Set of Goofy Observations
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Because it is not needed at the attraction. The line would flow much better without it.
IMO attractions that should't have FP
1. Any show
2. Buzz SRS
3. JC
4. Peter Pan
5. Malestrom
6. TSMM
janoimagine
Well-Known Member
No to go totally off topic or anything but he was the only one of the Ghostbusters cast that refused to do the third movie too.
Sorry for the drift.
Next Big Thing
Well-Known Member
Agree 100%
See, that's not right. Bigger rides don't really do a lot to disperse crowds, rather, they trap a large amount of crowds in one spot. DHS already has 3 rides that do that, and will have a fourth once Star Tours is complete. There's really no other need for another one. The park needs more smaller draws to fill in the time between said attractions.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I completely disagree. I think Fastpass should be more widespread. You don't recognize it, but as a fan that knows how to use it correctly it is considered a perk. For the casual visitor that doesn't use it to it's maximum effeciency they won't experience as much as those people that can use it properly.
I like things that help with more effecient touring, and Fastpass does just that. With a wider use, there will be more fastpasses in the system and the delays on things like Toy Story or Soarin' won't be as dramatic. You'll see this when Star Tours 2.0 opens in 2011. Instead of running out at noon, Toy Story Fastpasses will be a bit more manageable. This is why Fastpass is most effective at the Magic Kingdom - it has 7 attractions that use it every day (Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Buzz Lightyear, Winnie the Pooh, Jungle Cruise, Peter Pan's Flight). The other parks typically only have 3 attractions that really require it on a daily basis.
Fastpass should be used, when the demand for an attraction produces standby waits of over 20 minutes.
For this reason, I feel that they could effectively add Fastpass to Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, It's A Small World and The Great Movie Ride.
It could also be used seasonally at things like The Seas with Nemo and Friends.
As for shows - I've been told it's really more of a headache than it's worth. If they want to use it for shows like Indiana Jones or Lights, Motors, Action, they should use it for preferential seating if you show up in the alotted time frame.
Christi22222
Active Member
Hmmm....not sure if your point is that fast pass in general is good, or that those specific attractions on his list are fine with fast pass. I think we all know how good a well utilized fast pass it. However, I think we all also understand that some attractions are not appropriate for them and I tend to agree with this particular list of rides that should not have fast pass. More trouble than their worth, really. I haven't ridden PP in WDW since the inception of fastpass, and it's one of my favorite rides!
Fastpass was tried at HM and was an unquestioned failure.
The other rides you mentioned have huge capacities, and there's no real need for fastpasses, as the rides line moves at a steady pace, and no matter what the sign says outside the line is never much longer than 30 minutes.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Why was it deemed a failure at Haunted Mansion?
It's no question that Fastpass lengthens the Standby lines for attractions, but since their refurbishments the Standby lines for Pirates, Mansion and Small World have increased.
From an operations standpoint, the issue is not the capacity of an attraction - it's demand vs. capacity (or for this of an economic mindset, supply vs. demand). Kilimanjaro Safaris and Kali River Rapids have a larger capacity than Pirates, Mansion or Small World, and they both use Fastpass, and use it effectively (although during the winter there is no need on Kali).
I should also note that Fastpass should be run daily on Primeval Whirl - I see it with waits over 30 minutes on most days (for reasons that are beyond me).
Figment632
New Member
The rides I have listed would work much better with out it. Buzz would not have a line over 40 minutes even on the busiest days with out FP.
misterID
Well-Known Member
I think I should clarify... I've been talking about a specific E-ride: The Indy attraction that was planned for DLP with both the coaster and the darkride. I think that would help with lines. But more darkrides are much more realistic and I hope the park gets them.
The shape and scope of DHS will make it hard to deal with crowds for a while, imo.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Do those people that have worked an attraction know the formula for determining how many fastpasses are distributed?
I had heard once that every 5 minutes they distribute a number of fastpasses that is 6% of the hourly capacity of the ride. This would mean that by the end of the day, 67% of the guests that ride could have done so by using fastpass. The 6% number seems a bit high, and I've never really heard it confirmed anywhere.
Downtown Disney
Downtown was pretty busy, as it was the Holiday season.
I ate at Paradiso one night when the family and I met up with some old friends that now live in Tampa. And before I say what I have to say about the place, know that I recommended the place. Now that that's been said, the place is terrible. It's menu is nothing more than a TGI Fridays with a "Latin" flair, and I can barely call it "Latin". The food was bland and boring, and it's no where I'd be hurrying back to.
We also ate at House of Blues, which I've always enjoyed.
Ghiardelli hot chocolate is amazing on a cold night.
I picked up two attraction posters for my new room design.
Downtown was pretty busy, as it was the Holiday season.
I ate at Paradiso one night when the family and I met up with some old friends that now live in Tampa. And before I say what I have to say about the place, know that I recommended the place. Now that that's been said, the place is terrible. It's menu is nothing more than a TGI Fridays with a "Latin" flair, and I can barely call it "Latin". The food was bland and boring, and it's no where I'd be hurrying back to.
We also ate at House of Blues, which I've always enjoyed.
Ghiardelli hot chocolate is amazing on a cold night.
I picked up two attraction posters for my new room design.
Figment632
New Member
Think about it this way, SRS is an omnimover which is constantly loading and for the most part has a constantly moving line. Now you stop that line for lets say 3 minutes to let FP people by. People are still getting on a line that is now not moving at all. Continue this all day and the wait builds up.
FP is great it just doesn't work for omnimovrs that is why I pray the don't put FP in TLM. On new years SSE had a posted 60 minute wait, I knew since it was an omni and by the look of it that it wasn't true. It was actually a 25 minute wait.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Standby lines and a regular que serve two different purposed.
You can't compare the wait time of the standby line and a standard que without averaging the minimal wait that people who participate in FP experience into the average wait of the standby line.
If you have one person use a FP and have a 2 minute wait and another stand in line and has an 18 minute wait, it averages to a 10 minute wait. If both people didn't use FP then the wait time of the attraction would be 10 minutes, but that would be spread across two people. That's not a reduced wait time, that's just a redistribution of the time.
Unless ride capacity is diminished, the average per person wait time will not be different with the implementation of FP. That's not an opinion, it is a mathmatical fact.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
Yes... as someone with a background in operations - the ride system is 100% irrelevant. The only difference in an attraction like Kilimanjaro Safaris that might have a capacity of 2500-3000 guests per hour and an omnimover with a capacity of 2000-2500 guests per hour (we'll use that 2500 number for both even though it's not accurate) is the dispatch interval.
Safaris may dispatch every 30 seconds, while the omnimover may dispatch every 5 seconds. The use of fastpass is no less effecient in an omnimover than a non-omnimover attraction, provided you don't care about waiting the extra 25 seconds between dispatch intervals.
Where this becomes a problem is when it's implemented into shows that have a 20 minute "dispatch/cycle" time.
Perhaps the closest attractions to a show may be somewhat problematic for fastpass implementation, and that would be Ellen's Energy Adventure and The Great Movie Ride. Even though the former doesn't have the demand to necessitate Fastpass, I think it could very easily be implemented in The Great Movie Ride.
As for the other attractions that I mentioned, the problems are less to do with the ride system or demand, and more to do with queue configuration.
Pirates of the Caribbean - Fastpass probably wouldn't work with the queue already split. Otherwise you'd get an experience like Indiana Jones at Disneyland, where they keep the bulk of the wait outside of the impressive queue. The split queue inside the show building is a natural Fastpass/Standby split set up, much like what is in place at Space Mountain. That would make it unnecessarily complicated for Pirates to implement the system
Haunted Mansion - This would probably be the easiest to configure as the queue isn't elaborate, and there is a natural Fastpass/Standby Merge point in the holding area by the Headstones.
It's a Small World - This would be somewhat simple as there are already two lanes for loading. The problem would be that the Standby Queue would have to be extended.
Figment632
New Member
Didn't think about that but if FP works so good with omnimovers why did they take it away from HM?
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I don't know. HM isn't exactly the same as SRS though. You have a small preshow area in there as well (two if you count the room with the fireplace).
Just because the ride system is the same doesn't mean it is an apples to apples comparision.
I've eaten there twice and have enjoyed both times. Services was slow the last time I ate there though. I would recommend it.
Next Big Thing
Well-Known Member
I ate there once and enjoyed it also. I'd recommend it.
