A Chicago Cub fan's hope

JustPlainBill

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I've been a Chicago Cub fan since 1971.

I chose the Cubs as my team not because of where I lived, whether it was northside or southside of Chicago as most do, I was born on the westside of Chicago.

It was a very simple decision a 6 year old boy can make.

My Mom enrolled me in little league that summer and the team I was placed on was the Cubs. I wore #3 proudly, I remember at that young age that #3 was Babe Ruth's number, though never a Cub, "the Babe" was one of my early heros as a child.

I chose the Cubs because it was the team I played for, the uniform I wore, I felt a kinship. For me loyalty is always everything even at that age. At that young age I made that connection to the Chicago Cubs and I began watching Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Ron Santo and Billy Williams on my little B&W TV set. I didn't know then of the Cubs history, I probably wouldn't have cared if I did.

I didn't spring from a very big sports family. My dad didn't throw a ball to me ever in our backyard neither did my Grandfather. There were other things we did to connect with each other. Sports was not one of them. I don't even remember my family coming to many of my games. I remember being dropped off and picked up after.

I played baseball in high school as well, my primary position since little league was right field and I played 1st base as secondary. When I sat on the bench I would catch for the pitchers warming up.

I love baseball, more than football even, I don't know why so much, just that I do. I went to the games on my own as a teenager. I remember the first time I walked into Wrigley Field and saw the diamond and field below from the upper deck aisle along the first base line. I was in awe, it was so beautiful, smaller than it looked on TV and so very green.

I took my little brother to the game that day, he looked up to me and I wanted to give to him what I was giving to myself and what our dad never did. My brother died 8 years later.

It was free hat day, we both got a Cubs cap. It was 1984 and the Cubs were just starting the season, the Cubs were playing the Astros and after a rain delay or two, the Cubs won that game. It was a perfect spring day, despite the rain.

As many Cub fans before me, I have suffered immeasurable agony and disappointmment for my team since that first summer I made my choice.

I won't go into every incident, but it was after 1984 when I felt the worst.

As a Cub fan I have suffered through the ribbing from fans of other teams, some light hearted and good natured, but some downright mean and confrontational.

I remember one morning on vacation I was having some coffee and a bagel in the concierge lounge at the Polynesian in 2007. I was wearing a Cubs T-shirt at the time. The Cubs were trying to come back that year from being in last place the year before. The Cubs looked promising.

Some guy came walking through the lounge and I heard him scoff loudly as he walked by me. I looked up, previously minding my own business. I noticed this guy looking at my shirt and he said, "Cubs?, You've got to be kidding! I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Not only was it very rude to insult a perfect stranger, but I was over twice this guys size, though I was sitting at the time. I've never been ashamed to be a Cubs fan, though I have been ashamed of how they perform. I looked up at the guy very sternly and matter-of-factly and said..."Yeah,...da Cubs, You got a problem wit dat? I don't know how far I would have gone to defend my team, but hey, the guy called me out, I'm not backing down! The guy must have realized that he probably bit off more than he could chew and put up his hands and said "no, no, no, no problem!" He then scurried away. I wondered to myself what the purpose of that was. I thought the guy had to be a White Sox fan, could be wrong though.

Back to 2008, I woke up early this morning, readying myself for work, all the time thinking to myself will I watch Game 3 tonight. I, like many Cub fans really thought we were going to do it this year. After game 1 and 2 I feel like I did in 1984 and 2003 and 2007. How did it come to this?

I overcame the temptation to trash my team to others, I am raging inside and it's not because of the losses. It is because I know this 2008 team is the best Cubs team I have ever saw, even better than 1984 in my opinion. To watch game 1 and 2 this week was like watching some other team.

I have read and heard many fans from other teams trash the Cubs and Cub fans in general. I have also heard Cub fans retaliate in kind and act like total idiots. I won't trash anyone for who their team is and I won't let the failings of my team cause me to lash out at others.

My decision to watch or not watch my team in game 3 tonight is not based on my anger or frustration, it is mostly to save myself the pain of watching them go down and swept under the rug. Not because they were beaten by a superior team. Because my team is not playing to their ability.

I never believed in "the curse," silly superstition which has been a stigma over the Cubs for a long time, for awhile a romantic distraction. This curse talk is also very dangerous, I do believe the heaviness of what these play off games mean has gotten into the heads of the players and they wind up beating themselves. As the years go on and a championship continues to elude the Cubs it makes that stigma only worse and heavier. It is in the makeup of the fans and it carries over to the players.

I will watch tonight's game with the anticipation I had before game 1. After all, to quote actor Bill Murray another Cub fan who said in the Chicago Tribune this morning. If the Padres could do it to the Cubs in 1984, the Cubs can certainly do it to the Dodgers tonight. Wishful thinking most certainly, especially coming from a Cub fan. But it is true, it is what baseball is.

I may waver and in the heat of a crushing loss I may curse and shake my fist. But I will always recover. I told my wife while I sat up in bed watching the Cubs lose game 2 Thursday night. I told her that I could never go over to the White Sox or any other team and change my allegiance. I could more easily cut off my right arm. I've seen those people, friends, co-workers that wear a teams colors one season and anothers the next, that's not me.

My wife, not a big baseball fan, nags me, "Why do you do it to yourself?, You know they're going to break your heart again!" My response to her always is, "Not this time it's different, this year!" She shakes her head in sympathy.

I don't have sons but I've got two young daughters. My oldest has shown interest in my baseball. She has come into the room while I'm watching the Cubs and sits quietly next to me watching the game with me. Automatically I find myself turning to her teaching her the game, the strategy, the science the emotion. She asks me questions as if she really wants to know. I know she probably just wants to connect with me and maybe I'm doing her a disservice. She may fall into becoming a Cubs fan like her father and be doomed to a life of disappointment. As I'm explaining the game to her I remember having no one there to explain it to me when I was a kid. I had to find out on my own. I'm glad I can be there for her, not just about baseball but in life in general. It feels good spending that time with my daughter watching the Cubs win or lose.

If the Cubs lose tonight, oh well, it's not like I've never been there before. It is my hope that this team will still do it tonight and come through, as a team they deserve it, they played so well this year. I wouldn't want it handed to them though, they have to earn it to be respected.

Just something I needed to get off my chest on this eve of the Cubs demise or unbelievable comeback.

Being a Chicago Cubs fan is like living life, many moments of excitement and anticipation with moments of crushing disappointment to keep you in perspective.
 

DMC-12

It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
Nicely said, Bill.... I couldnt agree with you more.

People said to me, when the White Sox won the World Series: "How come you cant be happy for them? You are IN Chicago" . I was happy but I was just indifferent. I replied: "You just dont get it... you have to be from Chicago I guess. I'm a Cubs fan... and I just dont care for the White Sox. I am just from the other side of town.. and grew up a Cubs fan *shrug*."

They still didnt get it.

Yeah... if anything... being a Cubs fan... it just sets you up for the real world when you are a kid. ;)
 

Computer Magic

Well-Known Member
I've been a Chicago Cub fan since 1971.

I chose the Cubs as my team not because of where I lived, whether it was northside or southside of Chicago as most do, I was born on the westside of Chicago.

It was a very simple decision a 6 year old boy can make.

My Mom enrolled me in little league that summer and the team I was placed on was the Cubs. I wore #3 proudly, I remember at that young age that #3 was Babe Ruth's number, though never a Cub, "the Babe" was one of my early heros as a child.

I chose the Cubs because it was the team I played for, the uniform I wore, I felt a kinship. For me loyalty is always everything even at that age. At that young age I made that connection to the Chicago Cubs and I began watching Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Ron Santo and Billy Williams on my little B&W TV set. I didn't know then of the Cubs history, I probably wouldn't have cared if I did.

I didn't spring from a very big sports family. My dad didn't throw a ball to me ever in our backyard neither did my Grandfather. There were other things we did to connect with each other. Sports was not one of them. I don't even remember my family coming to many of my games. I remember being dropped off and picked up after.
A great post. I read the first several paragraphs and we grew up just alike. I became a Cub fans around 1978 the year of Dave Kingman and Bruce Sutter. My family was not into sports, dad from KY was more of a camper/fisherman. My dad did try to play catch with me once, but he wasn't very good. :ROFLOL:

I only started watching baseball because my friends started joining baseball teams and talked about baseball. I picked the Cubs because they were on WGN, TV picture came in clear and also only day games. White Sox was on channel 44 and was fuzzy. When I started baseball the next year, I was picked to be on the Cubs team. Well that made it even sweeter.

I took my little brother to the game that day, he looked up to me and I wanted to give to him what I was giving to myself and what our dad never did. My brother died 8 years later.
What a great gift for your brother and a lasting memory for you.

I won't go into every incident, but it was after 1984 when I felt the worst.
a dark day for us Cub fans. and for kids growing up in the 80's our first realization of the real world. The Cubs never won a NL pennent before then.

I remember one morning on vacation I was having some coffee and a bagel in the concierge lounge at the Polynesian in 2007. I was wearing a Cubs T-shirt at the time. The Cubs were trying to come back that year from being in last place the year before. The Cubs looked promising.

Some guy came walking through the lounge and I heard him scoff loudly as he walked by me. I looked up, previously minding my own business. I noticed this guy looking at my shirt and he said, "Cubs?, You've got to be kidding! I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Not only was it very rude to insult a perfect stranger, but I was over twice this guys size, though I was sitting at the time. I've never been ashamed to be a Cubs fan, though I have been ashamed of how they perform. I looked up at the guy very sternly and matter-of-factly and said..."Yeah,...da Cubs, You got a problem wit dat? I don't know how far I would have gone to defend my team, but hey, the guy called me out, I'm not backing down! The guy must have realized that he probably bit off more than he could chew and put up his hands and said "no, no, no, no problem!" He then scurried away. I wondered to myself what the purpose of that was. I thought the guy had to be a White Sox fan, could be wrong though.
I have been lucky and most of the ribbing is joking amoung friends family and co-workers. My wfe and her family is a White Sox fans. However, they are rooting for the Cubs as I did for the Sox in 05. We are Chicagoland people, why wouldn't you root for the city? I Can't believe you were dissed in Disney.
Back to 2008, I woke up early this morning, readying myself for work, all the time thinking to myself will I watch Game 3 tonight. I, like many Cub fans really thought we were going to do it this year. After game 1 and 2 I feel like I did in 1984 and 2003 and 2007. How did it come to this?

I overcame the temptation to trash my team to others, I am raging inside and it's not because of the losses. It is because I know this 2008 team is the best Cubs team I have ever saw, even better than 1984 in my opinion. To watch game 1 and 2 this week was like watching some other team.

I have read and heard many fans from other teams trash the Cubs and Cub fans in general. I have also heard Cub fans retaliate in kind and act like total idiots. I won't trash anyone for who their team is and I won't let the failings of my team cause me to lash out at others.

My decision to watch or not watch my team in game 3 tonight is not based on my anger or frustration, it is mostly to save myself the pain of watching them go down and swept under the rug. Not because they were beaten by a superior team. Because my team is not playing to their ability.

I never believed in "the curse," silly superstition which has been a stigma over the Cubs for a long time, for awhile a romantic distraction. This curse talk is also very dangerous, I do believe the heaviness of what these play off games mean has gotten into the heads of the players and they wind up beating themselves. As the years go on and a championship continues to elude the Cubs it makes that stigma only worse and heavier. It is in the makeup of the fans and it carries over to the players.

I will watch tonight's game with the anticipation I had before game 1. After all, to quote actor Bill Murray another Cub fan who said in the Chicago Tribune this morning. If the Padres could do it to the Cubs in 1984, the Cubs can certainly do it to the Dodgers tonight. Wishful thinking most certainly, especially coming from a Cub fan. But it is true, it is what baseball is.

I may waver and in the heat of a crushing loss I may curse and shake my fist. But I will always recover. I told my wife while I sat up in bed watching the Cubs lose game 2 Thursday night. I told her that I could never go over to the White Sox or any other team and change my allegiance. I could more easily cut off my right arm. I've seen those people, friends, co-workers that wear a teams colors one season and anothers the next, that's not me.

My wife, not a big baseball fan, nags me, "Why do you do it to yourself?, You know they're going to break your heart again!" My response to her always is, "Not this time it's different, this year!" She shakes her head in sympathy.

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I have to say I been very disappointed because I know that the Cubs are better then they are playing. I could handle it better if the Cubs played competitive and lost. I notice you didn't mention 2003, so I won't go into it much. I will say that is when the lovable Cub fans have turned a little unfriendly. The frustration is showing in Cub fans. In fact I heard boos from them the other night. I mentioned to others, I think the Cub fans anxiety is showing placing pressure on the Cub players. I think the Cub fans in general aren't helping the situation for the ball players. If ther pressure of playoffs isn't enough you have high anxiety Cub fans (me being one of them) How else can you explain the walks by Ryan and each infielder making an error, including Lee.

I have to admit, I didn't watch them much on Thursday. I am having a hard time placing myself in a situation like 84 and 03. I fipped on a few times and saw the score and turned away. I still have hope as I said to a coworker yesterday, We can do to the Dogers what SD did to us. Funny Bill said the same thing. I'll have the game on in hopes for the Cubs winning. A sportcaster said going to Dodgers stadium might be what the Cubs need and get a away from the "friendly" confines.

:wave:
 

JustPlainBill

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Nicely said, Bill.... I couldnt agree with you more.

People said to me, when the White Sox won the World Series: "How come you cant be happy for them? You are IN Chicago" . I was happy but I was just indifferent. I replied: "You just dont get it... you have to be from Chicago I guess. I'm a Cubs fan... and I just dont care for the White Sox. I am just from the other side of town.. and grew up a Cubs fan *shrug*."

They still didnt get it.

Yeah... if anything... being a Cubs fan... it just sets you up for the real world when you are a kid. ;)
Most of the people I work with are White Sox fans, I do suspect it's because of the World Series they recently won. Funny, I don't remember seeing that many Sox fans before. When the Sox got their pennant, I wasn't happy or excited for myself. It was nice for them and their fans and Chicagoland, I guess, but I was indifferent as well. Believe it or not I felt more for the Red Sox when they finally got theirs, I don't know why. Who can explain emotions when it comes to baseball? Only in Chicago, as you say!
 

JustPlainBill

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A great post. I read the first several paragraphs and we grew up just alike. I became a Cub fans around 1978 the year of Dave Kingman and Bruce Sutter. My family was not into sports, dad from KY was more of a camper/fisherman. My dad did try to play catch with me once, but he wasn't very good. :ROFLOL:

I only started watching baseball because my friends started joining baseball teams and talked about baseball. I picked the Cubs because they were on WGN, TV picture came in clear and also only day games. White Sox was on channel 44 and was fuzzy. When I started baseball the next year, I was picked to be on the Cubs team. Well that made it even sweeter.

What a great gift for your brother and a lasting memory for you.

a dark day for us Cub fans. and for kids growing up in the 80's our first realization of the real world. The Cubs never won a NL pennent before then.

I have been lucky and most of the ribbing is joking amoung friends family and co-workers. My wfe and her family is a White Sox fans. However, they are rooting for the Cubs as I did for the Sox in 05. We are Chicagoland people, why wouldn't you root for the city? I Can't believe you were dissed in Disney.
I have to say I been very disappointed because I know that the Cubs are better then they are playing. I could handle it better if the Cubs played competitive and lost. I notice you didn't mention 2003, so I won't go into it much. I will say that is when the lovable Cub fans have turned a little unfriendly. The frustration is showing in Cub fans. In fact I heard boos from them the other night. I mentioned to others, I think the Cub fans anxiety is showing placing pressure on the Cub players. I think the Cub fans in general aren't helping the situation for the ball players. If ther pressure of playoffs isn't enough you have high anxiety Cub fans (me being one of them) How else can you explain the walks by Ryan and each infielder making an error, including Lee.

I have to admit, I didn't watch them much on Thursday. I am having a hard time placing myself in a situation like 84 and 03. I fipped on a few times and saw the score and turned away. I still have hope as I said to a coworker yesterday, We can do to the Dogers what SD did to us. Funny Bill said the same thing. I'll have the game on in hopes for the Cubs winning. A sportcaster said going to Dodgers stadium might be what the Cubs need and get a away from the "friendly" confines.

:wave:
Thanks,
It's funny how people can be so alike.
I remember trying to get Sox games on channel 44 and it being too fuzzy to watch as well.
I agree the fans aren't helping, I myself am sometimes torn between expressing my anger and frustration aloud and offering my support and encouragement at the same time. I hope cooler heads prevail and we're able to get back on track, as hopeless as that may be.

When I saw Dempsters performance in game 1 and the errors made in game 2 I had the same feeling I had in 2003, it was like a fog descended over Wrigley field and affected the team. Million dollar men they may be but they're suseptable to the same influences we all are as humans.
 

Cubs Brian

Active Member
Bill,
What you said really hits home with me, especially the part about your wife. I love my wife to death and she is a Cub fan but just doesn't understand my passion. She could not watch the game theother night with me because of how upset I was getting."It's only a game " she keeps saying. It's way more than just a game to me ! My grandfather took me to my 1st Cub Game in 69. It was their year he would tell me. I was just 4yrs old then.Myself and my cousins(I don't have any brothers)saw games with my dad, uncles and grandfathers every year till 1989 when I moved to Orlando.
In 1992 I moved back up here and my grandfather was suffering from Parkinson's Disease pretty bad. He was confined to a wheelchair,but when he was coherrent he would always talk about all the good times we shared attending, playing(my dad worked a lot when I was a kid and Gramps was always there to play with me) or going to a Cubs Game. He would always say "This is their year" He was born in 1909 and passed away on April 4th 1994 just a day or so after the season started. THe last time I talked to him was on April 2nd. We were talking baseball, when his meds kicked in. The last words he said to me was "THis is their year".
My dad turns 72 this year and he keeps telling that my Gramps won't let them loose this year. Keep the faith and remember it's more than just a game.
 

sissa216

Well-Known Member
My husband and I were just talking last night-
he's probably the biggest Sox fan I've ever met, but we'd just like to see either Chicago team represent the city better than they have the past few days...

and he complains that the worst thing to happen since the 2005 season is how crowded the Sox games are now :lol:
So I have to agree about fickle fans in Chicago.

I was at the Sox tiebreaker on Tuesday, and it was the craziest, most amazing thing I've ever seen.
I can only imagine what it would be like if the Cubs get their heads back together and make it further. Or for that matter, if both teams do :eek:

I'd prefer it were the Sox, but I'd be happy for Chicago if it were the Cubs. :wave:
 

SpongeScott

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Bill, nicely done and said. Whether you win, whether you lose, continue to support your team. You have nothing to be ashamed of, you have everything to be proud of. Be it first place, be it last, show your Cubbie colors and loyalty with pride.
 

JustPlainBill

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Bill,
What you said really hits home with me, especially the part about your wife. I love my wife to death and she is a Cub fan but just doesn't understand my passion. She could not watch the game theother night with me because of how upset I was getting."It's only a game " she keeps saying. It's way more than just a game to me ! My grandfather took me to my 1st Cub Game in 69. It was their year he would tell me. I was just 4yrs old then.Myself and my cousins(I don't have any brothers)saw games with my dad, uncles and grandfathers every year till 1989 when I moved to Orlando.
In 1992 I moved back up here and my grandfather was suffering from Parkinson's Disease pretty bad. He was confined to a wheelchair,but when he was coherrent he would always talk about all the good times we shared attending, playing(my dad worked a lot when I was a kid and Gramps was always there to play with me) or going to a Cubs Game. He would always say "This is their year" He was born in 1909 and passed away on April 4th 1994 just a day or so after the season started. THe last time I talked to him was on April 2nd. We were talking baseball, when his meds kicked in. The last words he said to me was "THis is their year".
My dad turns 72 this year and he keeps telling that my Gramps won't let them loose this year. Keep the faith and remember it's more than just a game.
Great sentiments, you're truly lucky to have that experience with your grandfather.
On Thursday night at the beginning of game 2 I was watching the game on our living room TV all by myself in the dark. It is still odd for me to watch Cub games at night, having watched them as a kid only in the day at Wrigley. My wife had some regular shows she wanted to watch so she went to our bedroom after putting the kids to bed. She walked into the room not 20 minutes after the game started and groaned aloud when she saw the Cubs were down 5 runs in just the 2nd inning. She said "I can't believe your still watching this!" I suffered a brief period of humiliation and ignored her comment. I couldn't believe the horror I was watching, I was glued to the TV like I was witnessing a NASCAR wreck. I later retired to the bedroom between inning 7 & 8. My wife let me finish watching the game there. Probably hoping for my sake we would witness some miracle that I already knew would not come.
I discussed with my wife last night about how the Cubs can still come back. Even now, I lapse into a daydream and I can see the Cubs coming back, winning game 3 & 4, then coming back to Wrigley and taking it all in front of their fans as if they planned it that way, so easy, so nice. Then I'm brought back to earth by some peripheral distraction and the experience and realization of all those years of disappointment weighs heavily against my dream and I see it all disappear as the morning mist before the rising sun.
 

JustPlainBill

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My husband and I were just talking last night-
he's probably the biggest Sox fan I've ever met, but we'd just like to see either Chicago team represent the city better than they have the past few days...

and he complains that the worst thing to happen since the 2005 season is how crowded the Sox games are now :lol:
So I have to agree about fickle fans in Chicago.

I was at the Sox tiebreaker on Tuesday, and it was the craziest, most amazing thing I've ever seen.
I can only imagine what it would be like if the Cubs get their heads back together and make it further. Or for that matter, if both teams do :eek:

I'd prefer it were the Sox, but I'd be happy for Chicago if it were the Cubs. :wave:
I certainly understand the zeal White Sox fans have for their team, I remember riding the subway home from work one late evening back in the mid 1980s, I don't remember the year. The White Sox were in the play-offs and the Cubs weren't. The Sox game must have just let out because they had about 12 cars added to the trains to carry out all the fans from Comiskey Park, I never saw the subway so crowded. I remember being jealous and wanting it to be us.
I saw that the Sox dropped their 2nd game last night and I can honestly say that I feel bad for "you'se" guys as well. It would have been nice to have both teams play against each other, there's still hope!
 

JustPlainBill

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Bill, nicely done and said. Whether you win, whether you lose, continue to support your team. You have nothing to be ashamed of, you have everything to be proud of. Be it first place, be it last, show your Cubbie colors and loyalty with pride.
Thanks for the boost!
If not this year, there's always next year!
 

Adventure

Active Member
Wow, nice post. Growing up a Red Sox fan I was in grade school for the Bucky Dent incident and was crushed in 1986. More importantly my Dad is a big Sox fan. I made sure I was with him the night the Sox won the Series in 2004. It was kind of surreal and you woke up the next morning thinking it couldn't have happened. The Sox came back from 3 games down to the Yankees that year. I think the Cubs can still do it. I bet a lot of Red Sox nation is pulling for the Cubs. Not just because we don't want to see Manny but I would love Cubs fans to experience what we lucky Red Sox fans have these past few years. Hopefully we will see the Cubs and Red Sox in the series. My fingers will be crossed for you.
 

Amber

6+4+3=2
Premium Member
Yep!
Thats been our motto for decades now. :lol:

As one of the few Sox fans here, I will say the Cubs fans are some of the most devoted people I have ever seen. Sox fans many come and go, but Cubs fans are Cubs fans for life. I think there is something to the "always next year" thing, because those Cubs fans will always be there next year, hoping for the best.

And to echo what was said above, I would also love to see a bit better representation of Chicago this year. Even though I am a Sox fan, I would like to see at least one of the Chicago teams in a better situation than they are currently in.
 

firedog31

New Member
Bill like other people have said be poud that you are one of the ones that have stuck with your team through the bad times. Then when they win the series ( maybe not this year but it will come ) you can watch all the others jump on the bandwagon but in the end they will only know half the story.
 

DormaNesbit

Member
Bill, everything you said shows heart. I have to love heart. I grew up outside of Philadelphia and I can remember being woken up by the neighbor making a ruckus in 1980 when the Phillies won. I have also been a die hard Eagles fan and have taken many a sour comment with how they have been over the years, but when you take a team, you take the good and the bad and you always hope for the best. Go Cubs!
 

GenerationX

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As a lifelong White Sox fan, I have spent my summers rooting for two teams: the White Sox and whoever was playing the Cubs. After experiencing the euphoria of 2005, I have softened quite a bit to the headline-grabbing north-siders. I won't root for the Cubs, but I won't root against them, either.

Red Sox and White Sox fans have a certain kinship in that in 2004 and 2005 we experienced the same sensation: finally, finally winning. Years and years and hundreds and hundreds of games and emotional investment had finally paid off. The true Cubs fans (not the ones there for the party who don't know the score or more than two players on the team) deserve a reward for their loyalty.
 

SpongeScott

Well-Known Member
As a lifelong White Sox fan, I have spent my summers rooting for two teams: the White Sox and whoever was playing the Cubs. After experiencing the euphoria of 2005, I have softened quite a bit to the headline-grabbing north-siders. I won't root for the Cubs, but I won't root against them, either.

Red Sox and White Sox fans have a certain kinship in that in 2004 and 2005 we experienced the same sensation: finally, finally winning. Years and years and hundreds and hundreds of games and emotional investment had finally paid off. The true Cubs fans (not the ones there for the party who don't know the score or more than two players on the team) deserve a reward for their loyalty.
Then why are White Sox fans not near as obnoxious as Red Sox fans?
 

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