DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[danlb_2000]

They have a very public contract with Disney that grants them exclusivity for an extended period of time. The Beauty and the Beast ride is still very comfortably in that time period. It does not take much searching to find the details of this deal which has been in place for decades.

It is rather evident that once that period expires that OLC still holds influence over Disney to not clone seeing as Disney has yet to clone any Tokyo originals anywhere.

OLC has influence over Disney. They are not subservient to the Mouse. Hence their ability to decline getting their Splash Mountain turned into TBA.

Also, one look at the Tokyo resort would reveal that they do not in fact have 80% the same ride as the parks in America. Not only are most of their shared attractions different, there are multiple attractions in Tokyo Disneyland unique to them and 95% of Tokyo DisneySea is completely unique.

I highly recommend you do a bit of research before jumping into conversations with this attitude. Though I guess I shouldn’t be shocked at this attitude coming from someone who thinks annual passholders ought to be treated like war criminals.

It doesn't take much searching to see that Epic Universe was actually built, but he doesn't believe that either.

 

[Brer Panther]

But it's meta! The most cookie cutter meta possible! You don't need to write real jokes so long as you just make references to knowing it's a story, right?

Meta's fine when there's effort put into it. Muppet Vision was a good example; there were actual jokes in there. MST3K was the same. Frozen has the generic, effortless kind.

Disney really doesn't know how to do "meta" humor nowadays. The "you're a princess" joke in Moana was cringe-worthy. And the less said about the Chip and Dale movie the better.

Temporarily until they opened the full show at the Hyperion.

If they hadn't put another Frozen show in the Hyperion, I guarantee you that Disneyland would still have the Frozen Sing-Along too.

we're going to do the corny thing that you expect, but we're going to acknowledge its cheap and corny, so it's fine!

Hey, it still works better than their doing that in Muppets Most Wanted.

"Rizzo and Robin are still just background characters, like in the 2011 movie, but we're going to acknowledge that, so we don't have to fix it!"

Philharmagic's CGI has also aged much worse than the practical sets and puppets used in Muppet-Vision

2003 Ariel doesn't hold up as well as even 2010 Rapunzel

I'm tempted to bring up the ugly CGI animation in Tiana's Bayou Adventure, but I know people on this site get really mad when you criticize Tiana's Bayou Adventure, so I won't.

for the people who think Bob Iger hates the Muppets...wasn't it 2 movies and a TV show that got made during his time as CEO (or was Chapek part of that?)

(also sorry for not keeping this thread on monsters inc focus but..../me looks around)

From my understanding, it was Jason Segel who really pushed for the 2011 Muppets movie to get made. And yeah, we got a sequel... which flopped because it sucked and was up against films like Divergent or whatever it was called, which resulted in them not doing any more theatrical Muppet movies. We likely only got the 2015 series because Disney wanted to cash in on the success of the other "mockumentary" format shows like Modern Family and Parks and Recreation.

I love MK's PhilharMagic. I wouldn't want to see it go. I'd appreciate newer segments

I've seen this suggested before, but a great idea would be to "randomize" it a la Star Tours to add in new segments without having to actually replace anything.

That being said... if they were to move it to Hollywood Studios (maybe it could replace Launch Bay or the Mickey Shorts Theater?) and add a new dark ride to Fantasyland, I wouldn't be opposed to that.

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Disney own the IP. They license the parks from Disney. They have 80% of the same rides at the Disney parks in America. Yet the won't share an original attraction they've built with Disney? Give me a break.

Unintelligent

 

[Timothy_Q]

Even if Disney were able to clone TDR rides, they wouldn't because $$$

They could've designed a better Frozen ride for HKD and DLP on the same level as Tokyo's, but they chose to be cheap instead

 

[nickys]

This all may be true, but could you please cite your source? I have a vague and possibly incorrect memory that Disney was choosing between Rat and Tokyo’s B&B when they expanded EPCOTS France.

Tokyo’s ride didn’t open until after Covid.

I also remember discussion over Ratatouille and B&tB, but since the ride wasn’t yet open at that point maybe the exclusivity issue was still being negotiated. And potentially the deciding factor.

 

[Figments Friend]

Enough with the cloning of Attractions.
WDW needs its OWN unique experiences, exclusive to the Florida Properties.

Which the forthcoming ‘Monsters Inc. Door Coaster’ will be.
Which is good.

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[phillip9698]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Disney own the IP. They license the parks from Disney. They have 80% of the same rides at the Disney parks in America. Yet the won't share an original attraction they've built with Disney? Give me a break.

Unlike US leadership, OLC actually understands that unique attractions drives people to want to visit their park. So they exclusivity clauses with their attractions.

Disney has such a wide breadth to choose from, yet here in the US we just want copies of what’s already done, that is accessible with a $100 plane ticket.

 

[MisterPenguin]

@lazyboy97o can speak to this better, but I believe he said (and I believe what he says) that exclusivity clauses are not universal. There may or may not be one for a new ride, and the length of exclusivity isn't always the same.

So, we don't know (unless an insider who knows chirps up) if there is BatB-ride exclusivity, and if there is, how long the exclusion is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They have a very public contract with Disney that grants them exclusivity for an extended period of time.

Citation?

 

[EagleScout610]

Enough with the cloning of Attractions.
WDW needs its OWN unique experiences, exclusive to the Florida Properties.

Which the forthcoming ‘Monsters Inc. Door Coaster’ will be.
Which is good.

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Shame we're trading one of the best WDW exclusive attractions for it, but what can ya do at this point?

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[flyerjab]

Enough with the cloning of Attractions.
WDW needs its OWN unique experiences, exclusive to the Florida Properties.

Which the forthcoming ‘Monsters Inc. Door Coaster’ will be.
Which is good.

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It is good! Very good. I want unique reasons to visit the different parks.

Having now been to both domestic parks it is clear that DL is a superior version of MK. Luckily, the larger resort in Florida as a whole offers a grander experience. And adding unique attractions resort-wide allows for this. During the last wave of additions to the parks, we got Ratatouille and Tron. Now, I do enjoy both of them very much, but they exist elsewhere.

A Carsland that is not a copy of what is in DCA is something I appreciate. It is original to the MK park; as will Villians Land. It is helping to shape a unique identity for MK.

Similar to this, Monsters Inc with a unique coaster and show - really just the land in general - continues to add new experiences than copies. I really prefer no more copies of other rides and attractions. Make each park stand on its own.

 

[Figments Friend]

Shame we're trading one of the best WDW exclusive attractions for it, but what can ya do at this point?

Yeah, it truly sucks to lose ‘MuppetVision 3D’ but even as a fan of the Attraction I can plainly see this area really needed redevelopment.
It was a dead zone, sadly.

Jim himself would likely agree with that, as let’s be honest : the Muppet Courtyard area was never really used to its full potential, especially over the last decade….or two.
Add into this the ‘dead end’ / non throughway , the shuttered Muppets store, ….and its days have been numbered for some time.

I LOVE ‘MuppetVision 3D’ and felt very strongly it SHOULD stay for various reasons, but a refresh to the area was needed.
Expanding the Park is also desperately needed, and the new Monsters Inc. area will help do so.

There is so much more that could have been done to that Muppets themed area, but here we are today.
One can only hope what is coming will be excellent and enhance an area that has been pretty much left for dead for far too long.

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[doctornick]

Or just copy the new Beauty and Beast attraction from Tokyo. That is a wonderful, albeit short, attraction.

I think the Sunset Blvd area would probably fit an Incredibles ride in terms of aesthetics

 

[DonniePeverley]

They have a very public contract with Disney that grants them exclusivity for an extended period of time. The Beauty and the Beast ride is still very comfortably in that time period. It does not take much searching to find the details of this deal which has been in place for decades.

It is rather evident that once that period expires that OLC still holds influence over Disney to not clone seeing as Disney has yet to clone any Tokyo originals anywhere.

OLC has influence over Disney. They are not subservient to the Mouse. Hence their ability to decline getting their Splash Mountain turned into TBA.

Also, one look at the Tokyo resort would reveal that they do not in fact have 80% the same ride as the parks in America. Not only are most of their shared attractions different, there are multiple attractions in Tokyo Disneyland unique to them and 95% of Tokyo DisneySea is completely unique.

I highly recommend you do a bit of research before jumping into conversations with this attitude. Though I guess I shouldn’t be shocked at this attitude coming from someone who thinks annual passholders ought to be treated like war criminals.

Nonsense of the highest order. If either party wanted to work on taking IP's from each other they could arrange it.

There are very few tourists who are travelling to American Disney theme parks and Tokyo for the need of an exclusivity agreement.

 

[nickys]

Nonsense of the highest order. If either party wanted to work on taking IP's from each other they could arrange it.

There are very few tourists who are travelling to American Disney theme parks and Tokyo for the need of an exclusivity agreement.

And yet there were definitely exclusivity agreements in favour of both Hong Kong and Paris.

The common factor is that Disney do not (or did not in the case of Paris) have complete ownership of the parks outside of the US. Meaning they were not paying for the development of the rides, so conceded the exclusivity on certain rides.

 

[dmc493]

Nonsense of the highest order

I'm gonna start using this phrase in every thread

 

[Chi84]

Nonsense of the highest order. If either party wanted to work on taking IP's from each other they could arrange it.

There are very few tourists who are travelling to American Disney theme parks and Tokyo for the need of an exclusivity agreement.

There either is or is not an exclusivity agreement. Your opinion that one isn’t needed doesn’t matter.

Those agreements bind both parties; it’s not a matter of “working on” a way to get around them.

 

[Timothy_Q]

I'm gonna start using this phrase in every thread

poppycock!

 

[lazyboy97o]

And yet there were definitely exclusivity agreements in favour of both Hong Kong and Paris.

The common factor is that Disney do not (or did not in the case of Paris) have complete ownership of the parks outside of the US. Meaning they were not paying for the development of the rides, so conceded the exclusivity on certain rides.

Paris hasn’t been a big place for exclusivity because they didn’t have the money. They’ve been the recipient of a lot of clones, even up to the present. Ratatouille was not an exclusive either and didn’t need it because Iger didn’t consider it a franchise worth the investment.

There either is or is not an exclusivity agreement. Your opinion that one isn’t needed doesn’t matter.

Those agreements bind both parties; it’s not a matter of “working on” a way to get around them.

True, but the broken clock is more right in this case. The prevalence and scope of exclusivity agreements are greatly exaggerated by the fan community.