Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

Mr. Sullivan

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I don’t think he’s just a random guest. Certainly not a Martin but not unknown to many within TDO.
Even still I don’t find it very likely that someone in that position would speak about any sort of personal grievances with a new attraction to someone who is not in house, likely because they’re aware that person would do exactly what just got done: their words would be shared with everyone online.
 

Cliff

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Even still I don’t find it very likely that someone in that position would speak about any sort of personal grievances with a new attraction to someone who is not in house, likely because they’re aware that person would do exactly what just got done: their words would be shared with everyone online.
Trust I'm a pure, 100% nobody in every way, shape and form. I'm just another common legacy fan like any other here.

Yeah...what can they do, right? Even if they were not proud of what they built, they can't say it.

I'm not naming names but that day I talked directly to an Imagineer that worked on Journery of Water and I asked her why they did not build it in between the Seas and Living with the Land. Journey of Water is all about water's pathways from land and water. I told her that "Journey" have joined two themes together. There is plenty of space between them and the current location could have been open for something else.

She basically told me "Hmm...y'nkow, that might not have been a bad idea. Oh well, I gues it too late now". We both laughed at it.

I asked another Imagineer that I won't say if Walt's statue was set to a 1:1 scale of him. He cocked his head sideways, asked another Imagineer standing next to him and neither one knew the answer but commended me for asking it. Again...the three of us just laughed.

I dunno...I was told a while back by some connected friends that work for Disney that morale in Imagineering was low. About 2 months later Joe Rhode left and that was when i realized how bad it really was. I remember almost dropping my phone the moment I read that. As a legacy fan, Joe Rhode leaving hurt my heart.

Uggg. Oh well. Disney had one heck of a good run there for a long time. It's nature I guess. Everything dies eventually. It's just a rule of life.

The younger generation is in charge now. The parks will just move forward with different customers. Their money is just as green as the last generation's is but it won't cost Burbank as much time, energy and money to please the new kids today.
 
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phillip9698

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I don’t think he’s just a random guest. Certainly not a Martin but not unknown to many within TDO.

At the level where all imagineers are expected to give him their "true" feelings on any and all projects when asked?

I may be way off base here but that seems like a weird expectation. Especially knowing how quickly any non-standard responses would spread online.
 
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Cliff

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Perhaps 2025 could be a trusted year to do all of that...."again". Walt Disney World has always been the king of Orlando and there really are no other viable choices in 2025. WDW has always been a theme park monopoly in that city and it makes sense to keep leaning on that fact in 2025.

So, yeah,..I think Burbank will be safe to use Parks and Experiences as another life vest again. Parks are the trusted "cash register" of the company today. If it worked in 2024 and Parks profits were held flat then we can be 100% sure that Burbank can do it again in 2025.

Burbank, you have nothing to worry about. As you were....carry on.
 
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monothingie

Nakatomi Plaza Christmas Eve 1988. Never Forget.
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So, I take it that what you are saying is that Burbank will need to lean HEAVILY into parks profits "again" in 2025?

Are you saying that they will need to cut more operations budgets and over-harvest every tiny penny they can "again" from every customer in 2025?

Perhaps 2025 could be a trusted year to do all of that...."again". Walt Disney World has always been the king of Orlando and there really are no other viable choices in 2025. WDW has always been a theme park monopoly in that city and it makes sense to keep leaning on that fact in 2025
It's going to be rough. The Disney brand is damaged, there is increased competition from their rivals up I 4 with their brand new park, the prices keep going up, and there's nothing significant coming online for at least the next 3 years.

The current strategy of squeezing the guests is not going to continue to yield the results they want. There has to be a realization that some value needs to be injected into the equation.
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So, yeah,..I think Burbank will be safe to use Parks and Experiences as another life vest again. Parks are the trusted "cash register" of the company today. If it worked in 2024 and Parks profits were held flat then we can be 100% sure that Burbank can do it again in 2025.

Burbank, you have nothing to worry about. As you were....carry on.
Burbank always leans heavily into the the Experiences segment because Josh's group prints money for the company.

I'm not going to understate that Disney has a lot planned for the end of the decade, but that's 4-5+ years from now, and things change from concept, and the current track record is not for the better.

Does a new DVC, A Cars Ride, a Monsters Inc. Ride, A re-themed RNR, a new Encanto Ride, and a re-themed Indy Ride move the needle?

If the price is 20-30+% more than it is today...then no.
 

rd805

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Disney found their golden goose by monetizing fastpass, and then introducing an even more expensive fast pass. My guess is that their numbers ended up DECENT in 2024 because of this; but again, the lack of new experiences coming (added with everything else we've discussed for a year+) will probably keep the resorts less full again in the next year.
 

Disstevefan1

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Disney found their golden goose by monetizing fastpass, and then introducing an even more expensive fast pass. My guess is that their numbers ended up DECENT in 2024 because of this; but again, the lack of new experiences coming (added with everything else we've discussed for a year+) will probably keep the resorts less full again in the next year.
Agreed, but I think the constant price increases on everything can mostly compensate for the less full resorts (aka lower attendance).
 
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