Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[celluloid]

Are you talking about older customers? None of the young kids with us had any interest in Figment. We bought plenty of merchandise but it was at Pandora and Guardians. Also Spiderman Lego stuff at DS. I guess it depends on the kids.

Honestly, I don't think our kids have ever been on CoP (maybe once when they were very young). If they change it, maybe they would be interested.

Funny question to me because we are talking about nostalgia. By definition nostalgia...can't be experienced by the young that were not there for what it is aimed for.(enjoy, but not reminisce and experience)
My point was exactly that. Figment is pop culture zeitgeist of nostalgia more than quality of current and nostalgia based was a great example of the point.

 

[Chi84]

Funny question to me because we are talking about noatalgia. By definition nostalgia...can't be experienced by the young that was not there for what it is aimed for.

Oh okay. When I think of Figment, I associate that mostly with younger kids. My kids are 36 and 40 and they’re not interested in Figment merchandise; neither are their kids.

I think my point is that maybe Disney isn’t leaning as heavily into nostalgia because the guests who remember the parks as they were when they first opened are dwindling.

And I doubt the newer generation is going to be able to visit as often as we did because of the excessive cost. So less reliance on nostalgia makes sense.

 

[Laketravis]

We visited WDW last week (m-f) and the ride wait times seemed disproportionate to the crowds I saw. The crowds seemed light but the wait times were 50min and more

Can you imagine what parks revenue would now look like if they hadn't monetized FastPass?

 

[Jrb1979]

Oh okay. When I think of Figment, I associate that mostly with younger kids. My kids are 36 and 40 and they’re not interested in Figment merchandise; neither are their kids.

I think my point is that maybe Disney isn’t leaning as heavily into nostalgia because the guests who remember the parks as they were when they first opened are dwindling.

And I doubt the newer generation is going to be able to visit as often as we did because of the excessive cost. So less reliance on nostalgia makes sense.

I agree. The problem I see If the guest you are after can't go that often or at all it doesn't work. The parks were built for big crowds and repeat visitors. It makes no sense to raise prices like they have but chase a market that can't afford your product. Add in those in that marker that aren't into Disney like the Legacy fans were it's a recipe for disaster.

 

[celluloid]

I agree. The problem I see If the guest you are after can't go that often or at all it doesn't work. The parks were built for big crowds and repeat visitors. It makes no sense to raise prices like they have but chase a market that can't afford your product. Add in those in that marker that aren't into Disney like the Legacy fans were it's a recipe for disaster.

That is indeed dangerous as WDW in business courses was cited in having a 99 percent return rate.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Len already said they were not doing this.

Those parks had queue lines that moved almost continuously in packed summer crowds in the 95 degree heat for decades…

There are reasons that they now have 55 minute waits in January 1 hour after opening…

It’s a few reasons…but it’s also far from “out of their control”

They’ve created an operational nightmare and it’s biting them